Vaping - "A devastatingly effective anti-smoking weapon"

[moonbogg]

A weapon that the WHO and other forms of government don't want you to have. Why?

For a start "governments have become addicted to tobacco excise tax and may fear that, as e-cigs take off, they will lose a valuable source of revenue"

Tax revenue at the cost of a billion lives this century by demonizing vaping products and e-cigarettes and indirectly encouraging people to continue smoking.

They scream, "Its for the children" and while they wave one hand in the air with a finger pointing at vapers, the other hand is writing up a bunch of new tax laws to tax vapor products on an equal footing as tobacco products, discouraging people from vaping, encouraging them to just continue smoking, and, above all else, protecting their source of tax revenue.

http://thevitalityinstitute.org/new...st-for-campaigners-who-say-e-cigs-save-lives/

 

[Jaskalas]

I propose a new piece of legislation... to legalize the slapping of anyone still dumb enough to smoke. It's not an assault... it's an intervention on their behalf. I'm sure the majority would understand.

For on this very subject, my first though is... people still do that?

 

[rudeguy]

I propose a new piece of legislation... to legalize the slapping of anyone still dumb enough to smoke. It's not an assault... it's an intervention on their behalf. I'm sure the majority would understand.

For on this very subject, my first though is... people still do that?

A kick in the nuts for every smoke would be better.


On subject: the government needs it's money. Give it more money. NOW

 

[Blanky]

For a start "governments have become addicted to tobacco excise tax and may fear that, as e-cigs take off, they will lose a valuable source of revenue"

Really? I guess that is why Australia has this as their cigarette boxes:

Must also be why my state has the most disgusting ads it can think of, regularly on TV scaring the ever living shit out of us about smoking.

Smoking is a savage activity engaged by fools and even our governments don't want it around in spite of the money it may raise in taxes.

 

[shira]

I've actually wondered about the safety of vaping. It's always seemed obvious to me that - if you're going to "dose" yourself with nicotine anyway, it just has to be safer if you can do so without having to inhale any of the byproducts of smoldering tobacco. And yet the restrictions on vaping are just as stringent as for tobacco. Absolutely crazy.

Yeah, I get the point about preventing teenagers from starting in the first place; so we don't want to disseminate the message that "vaping is safe." But surely an HONEST message would be, "We strongly urge young people to avoid nicotine products; but if you absolutely cannot stop yourself, using a vaporizer is the least bad choice."

 

[SergeC]

The WHO is a form of government?

 

[LegendKiller]

A weapon that the WHO and other forms of government don't want you to have. Why?

For a start "governments have become addicted to tobacco excise tax and may fear that, as e-cigs take off, they will lose a valuable source of revenue"

Tax revenue at the cost of a billion lives this century by demonizing vaping products and e-cigarettes and indirectly encouraging people to continue smoking.

They scream, "Its for the children" and while they wave one hand in the air with a finger pointing at vapers, the other hand is writing up a bunch of new tax laws to tax vapor products on an equal footing as tobacco products, discouraging people from vaping, encouraging them to just continue smoking, and, above all else, protecting their source of tax revenue.

http://thevitalityinstitute.org/new...st-for-campaigners-who-say-e-cigs-save-lives/

Tell me, how much do we spend taking care of the sicknesses caused by smoking? My dad died of esophageal cancer a couple years back. He had been a lifelong smoker. 3 heart attacks. Throat bumps. Colon polyps. Then the final one. Do you realize how much society, in general, paid for his habit?

The tax dollars are minuscule in comparison to the costs.

He had one drug, an experimental one, towards the end. That alone was $15k/mo. Paid by his medical plan.

Your stupid "vape" conspiracy theories are grounded in idiocy. Over the top stuff deleted. You want to inhale shit, then go huff a can of aquanet. Don't spread stupid conspiracy theories.

 

[Screech]

Tell me, how much do we spend taking care of the sicknesses caused by smoking?

Smoking actually saves the healthcare system money, ie, we spend less on people who smoke than people who do not. It is rather ironic, of course. Cancer is expensive but old age is more expensive.

 

[LegendKiller]

Smoking actually saves the healthcare system money, ie, we spend less on people who smoke than people who do not. It is rather ironic, of course. Cancer is expensive but old age is more expensive.

meh

 

[Annisman*]

Really? I guess that is why Australia has this as their cigarette boxes:

Must also be why my state has the most disgusting ads it can think of, regularly on TV scaring the ever living shit out of us about smoking.

Smoking is a savage activity engaged by fools and even our governments don't want it around in spite of the money it may raise in taxes.

When I was in Australia I couldn't beleive how many smokers there were considering their government's assault on smoking. If I was a kid there I would crap my pants at some of their ads.

 

[Screech]

meh

To be fair the only study I know that examined this directly was dutch

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html?_r=0

and so those costs may or may not accurately represent healthcare costs in america, but the conclusions are interesting nonetheless. That said, the added costs of lost productivity earlier in life might outweigh the 'savings' (yes I feel dirty using that word because it basically means earlier deaths) from less old age care. I'm not sure if that has been examined critically and objectively. But long story short it is possible that there is no overall monetary benefit from a healthcare cost perspective in the prevention of smoking.

 

[Knowing]

"You mean I can get my nicotine in any flavor and nearly any concentration, but I won't smell like smoke or make lung butter?"

Of course they took off, and of course the government is going to be deeply concerned about the children because the children is the go-to if they have no facts.

 

[moonbogg]

Tell me, how much do we spend taking care of the sicknesses caused by smoking? My dad died of esophageal cancer a couple years back. He had been a lifelong smoker. 3 heart attacks. Throat bumps. Colon polyps. Then the final one. Do you realize how much society, in general, paid for his habit?

The tax dollars are minuscule in comparison to the costs.

He had one drug, an experimental one, towards the end. That alone was $15k/mo. Paid by his medical plan.

Your stupid "vape" conspiracy theories are grounded in idiocy. Over the top stuff deleted. You want to inhale shit, then go huff a can of aquanet. Don't spread stupid conspiracy theories.

You discourage the use of vapor products and you insult me in light of this information. Your attitude is the type that discourages people from vaping and demonizes vapers and vaping products. People like you are partly responsible for the death and disease of people like your own father if vaping gets taxed into the ground and out of existence, you dimwit moron.

 

[Blanky]

When I was in Australia I couldn't beleive how many smokers there were considering their government's assault on smoking. If I was a kid there I would crap my pants at some of their ads.

The campaign seems successful, as rates have dropped a good bit since their plain packaging laws.

I personally believe we should all mock and scold smokers more than we do any other group. We need to continually be turning the screws on them. Keep bleeding their accounts dry by jacking up taxes on their fags, keep cutting back locations they are allowed to smoke, keep bombarding tv ads with people who speak out of their neck and are dying from cancer. I want to see it effectively abolished in my lifetime.

It is a scourge of society and I am thrilled at how quickly its prevalence has dropped in the west.

 

[Ackmed]

"A devastatingly effective weapon to make you look like a tool", is a more appropriate title.

 

[LegendKiller]

You discourage the use of vapor products and you insult me in light of this information. Your attitude is the type that discourages people from vaping and demonizes vapers and vaping products. People like you are partly responsible for the death and disease of people like your own father if vaping gets taxed into the ground and out of existence, you dimwit moron.

Here's a solution, STOP FUCKING SMOKING SHIT. Nobody knows how safe "vaping" is, nobody. We do know that Nicotine isn't healthy. We do not know how safe it is for you to breathe in this shit for years. It doesn't matter if it is a cigarette or a "vape". Inhaling shit because you get hooked on it is idiotic regardless. It's only when you are dying do you realize how stupid you have been. That's what it took for my dad, too bad it was too late.

 

[IGBT]

I think all you's guys should smoke / vap / snort / huff.. any and all to your hearts content.

 

[moonbogg]

Here's a solution, STOP FUCKING SMOKING SHIT. Nobody knows how safe "vaping" is, nobody. We do know that Nicotine isn't healthy. We do not know how safe it is for you to breathe in this shit for years. It doesn't matter if it is a cigarette or a "vape". Inhaling shit because you get hooked on it is idiotic regardless. It's only when you are dying do you realize how stupid you have been. That's what it took for my dad, too bad it was too late.

I understand your frustration. There is a reality to be faced. It is far less than the ideal situation of people being completely clean of addiction. The reality is people will continue to use nicotine. They usually smoke, but now there is a less harmful alternative. It should not be embraced with open arms as if its a good idea for everyone, but smokers should be encouraged to switch to vaping if they are unable or unwilling to quit their nicotine habit.

 

[Blanky]

I understand your frustration. There is a reality to be faced. It is far less than the ideal situation of people being completely clean of addiction. The reality is people will continue to use nicotine. They usually smoke, but now there is a less harmful alternative. It should not be embraced with open arms as if its a good idea for everyone, but smokers should be encouraged to switch to vaping if they are unable or unwilling to quit their nicotine habit.

It is probably less organ-sport-fuck than smoking. I am concerned that it will result in people who otherwise wouldn't inhale anything thinking it's okay because it's not tobacco based. We are heading slowly but inexorably to the point where we hardly ever see smokers and I don't want to see anything jeopardize it.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/tables/trends/cig_smoking/

Hopefully we can at least see smoking age raised to 21:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/13/health/tobacco-legal-age-alcohol/

If I were in charge I would raise taxes until the end of time or, each year, raise the smoking age by a year so that if you're not already 18 it will be forever illegal for you to buy a cigarette. Also keep pumping out the ads about the new dad who won't see his daughter grow because he's sucking on a tube in the hospital (and then later in the ad it shows that he died). These ads are fantastic and shocking.

 

[PokerGuy]

I have no doubt that vaping is lightyears better than smoking, but that's like saying stepping out in front of a car is better than stepping out in front of a bus. Sure, it's not as bad, but still very stupid and expensive.

The trick is to get people who are so addicted they can't stop to move from smoking to vaping, but at the same time not give the impression that vaping is "OK", it's a terribly stupid activity that should also be discouraged. We don't need people who would not start smoking to start vaping.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Really? I guess that is why Australia has this as their cigarette boxes:

When I worked in Singapore they had similar warnings on their cigarettes, most smokers bought/used cases so they wouldn't see the warnings.

Luckily the company I work for sponsored a smoking cessation program that used self hypnosis. It worked for me in one session (Getting close to my 6 year anniversary of quitting). I can't visualize myself ever smoking, so it appears the memory of such has been blocked. Not sure why but it also reduced my desire to drink as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/11/hypnosis-quit-smoking_n_1248444.html

 

[moonbogg]

I have no doubt that vaping is lightyears better than smoking, but that's like saying stepping out in front of a car is better than stepping out in front of a bus. Sure, it's not as bad, but still very stupid and expensive.

The trick is to get people who are so addicted they can't stop to move from smoking to vaping, but at the same time not give the impression that vaping is "OK", it's a terribly stupid activity that should also be discouraged. We don't need people who would not start smoking to start vaping.

That sounds unrealistic. The risks from vaping are looking more and more to be negligible. You might not like it because it "looks" like smoking and you don't want to renormalize smoking, but this is nothing like smoking and the physical dangers aren't there.

 

[OutHouse]

We do know that Nicotine isn't healthy.

Nicotine does not cause cancer.

 

[OutHouse]

expensive

Fail

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Tax revenue at the cost of a billion lives this century by demonizing vaping products and e-cigarettes and indirectly encouraging people to continue smoking.

They scream, "Its for the children" and while they wave one hand in the air with a finger pointing at vapers, the other hand is writing up a bunch of new tax laws to tax vapor products on an equal footing as tobacco products, discouraging people from vaping, encouraging them to just continue smoking, and, above all else, protecting their source of tax revenue.

http://thevitalityinstitute.org/new...st-for-campaigners-who-say-e-cigs-save-lives/

This is surprising to you? Really? It's like as-if powdered alcohol was no longer considered subject to the liquor tax. Of course they are depending on this revenue.