Vance says we need to get less offended..... Biden says Trump followers are garbage

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ch33zw1z

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Zorba

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You don't and can't know this for a fact. They stated that they didn't vett his "jokes".

We do however know that Bidens staff edited the transcript of his remarks and added an apostrophe to the word supporters and tried to change the meaning.

But that is fine. It will change nothing. The left has been calling the Republican supporters Nazis, Fascists, Deplorables, Bigots, Racist, Garbage and ...

That is fine, I have thick skin.
And Trump has literally called for jailing Kamala supporters. Sounds pretty fascist to me.
 

Zorba

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OK, I'll accept your source even though it is a self admitted Liberal source.

As they state on their about page: "The Bulwark was founded to provide analysis and reporting in defense of America’s liberal democracy."

They are quoting " Unnamed Sources"...

"Those sources insisted that they did not spot the other objectionable lines in Hinchcliffe’s speech prior to him delivering it because they were ad-libbed."
Not going to defend the source one way or the other. But I think you need to look up what a liberal democracy is. It's a democracy where the citizens have Western style freedoms, like the freedom of speech and religion. You know "Liberty."

They are not saying they are there for Liberal Democrats.
 

ch33zw1z

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Not going to defend the source one way or the other. But I think you need to look up what a liberal democracy is. It's a democracy where the citizens have Western style freedoms, like the freedom of speech and religion. You know "Liberty."

They are not saying they are there for Liberal Democrats.

It’s comical that someone like geek would chastise a source when all he needs for a source from his tribe is Trump saying “many people are saying”.

No leg to stand on
 

fskimospy

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@Greenman changed course earlier this year and said he had no choice but to vote for Trump because Biden was too old and senile. Biden dropped out and Greenman is still voting for Trump, take that as you will.
@Greenman made a mistake the first time by listing a reason for voting for Trump, saying he couldn’t vote for the senile candidate. Now he’s voting for the senile candidate.

Seems that he learned his lesson though because now he adamantly refuses to explain why he thinks Trump is better. Can’t be wrong if you won’t ever say!
 

Greenman

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@Greenman made a mistake the first time by listing a reason for voting for Trump, saying he couldn’t vote for the senile candidate. Now he’s voting for the senile candidate.

Seems that he learned his lesson though because now he adamantly refuses to explain why he thinks Trump is better. Can’t be wrong if you won’t ever say!
What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here? And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation? That's some world class hubris.
 
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fskimospy

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What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here? And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation? That's some world class hubris.
What on earth makes you think you are somehow required to answer? What consequences are you facing for not answering? The only one is I am pointing out how you very purposefully refuse to say why you support Trump and people can draw reasonable inferences as to why you can’t/won’t say.

As for why people support certain political figures I think there are absolutely right and wrong reasons to do it. I think felonies, rapes, and coups are bad and if I’m supporting someone who has repeatedly engaged in them I would need a really good reason, which is why I asked you what yours was. I suspect you don’t have one though, which is why you won’t answer.

Let me make answering as easy as possible for you:
1) Trump has been convicted of dozens of felonies and is on the hook for dozens more, including ones involving the theft of top secret national security information.

2) Trump was found by a jury to have raped someone and is credibly accused of dozens more rapes and sexual assaults.

3) When he lost the 2020 election Trump attempted a coup.

That’s all very bad to me. That being said I’m open to being convinced. What good policies does Trump have and/or bad policies does Harris have that make you prefer Trump?
 

DarthKyrie

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What on earth makes you think you are somehow required to answer? What consequences are you facing for not answering? The only one is I am pointing out how you very purposefully refuse to say why you support Trump and people can draw reasonable inferences as to why you can’t/won’t say.

As for why people support certain political figures I think there are absolutely right and wrong reasons to do it. I think felonies, rapes, and coups are bad and if I’m supporting someone who has repeatedly engaged in them I would need a really good reason, which is why I asked you what yours was. I suspect you don’t have one though, which is why you won’t answer.

Let me make answering as easy as possible for you:
1) Trump has been convicted of dozens of felonies and is on the hook for dozens more, including ones involving the theft of top secret national security information.

2) Trump was found by a jury to have raped someone and is credibly accused of dozens more rapes and sexual assaults.

3) When he lost the 2020 election Trump attempted a coup.

That’s all very bad to me. That being said I’m open to being convinced. What good policies does Trump have and/or bad policies does Harris have that make you prefer Trump?
Insert Family Guy meme here.
 
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outriding

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@Greenman made a mistake the first time by listing a reason for voting for Trump, saying he couldn’t vote for the senile candidate. Now he’s voting for the senile candidate.

Seems that he learned his lesson though because now he adamantly refuses to explain why he thinks Trump is better. Can’t be wrong if you won’t ever say!

He is loosing his motor control..

and this is a twofer.. "no body has done more for PR than me"... aka throws paper towels.

 

fskimospy

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Insert Family Guy meme here.
I was looking for a memeable gif of Mr. Burns and Smithers from the 'Lisa the Vegetarian' episode.


Greenman: 'I'll vote for the Democrat...when they aren't a senile old man! Hahaha!'

Earth: The Democrat is no longer a senile old man. Will you be voting Democratic now?

Greenman: 'No...I'd still prefer not.'
 

ivwshane

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Not going to defend the source one way or the other. But I think you need to look up what a liberal democracy is. It's a democracy where the citizens have Western style freedoms, like the freedom of speech and religion. You know "Liberty."

They are not saying they are there for Liberal Democrats.

He’s not as smart as he thinks he is and he closely lacks reading comprehension. It’s probably on purpose though.
 

HomerJS

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What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here? And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation? That's some world class hubris.
What makes you think you would prove yourself to be nothing more than a liar?

You succeeded.
 

Fenixgoon

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What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here? And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation? That's some world class hubris.
Generally when choosing between a fascist who's proposing what is tantamount to ethnic cleansing of the country, and a non-fascist, that's a pretty right-and-wrong scenario.
 

Muse

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@Moonbeam - your thread title is very offensive and I recommend you edit it. Biden would never call trump followers garbage. Have you blown a fuse... again?
 

ch33zw1z

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Sums it up, lol…just a piece of how the GOP treats others, and then responds to a sprinkling of it. When I was a kid, my strict conservative parents always told me “don’t dish it out if you can’t take it”, I guess they were alone in this stance.
 

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VashHT

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Yeah there's a lot of pathetic hand wringing articles about how mean Democrats are, pretty pathetic considering Trump called Harris retarded on top of claiming migrants are poisoning the blood of the nation and constantly claiming liberals are destroying the country.
 

Moonbeam

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What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here?
That is not a valid objection in my opinion. We are none of us answerable to anything but we are posting on a political forum regarding our political opinions and debating them. This means that what you say here, if there is disagreement with it, you will be challenged to back it up. Political debate is at minimum a two way street. Claiming you are not accountable when it is suggested you have no answers to questions asked, while true in one dimension, is contextually irrelevant.
And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation?
Aren’t you saying here that you refuse to accept the burden of making a correct choice, that you do not want to accept the moral burden of being wrong. This is a scientifically known observation that conservatives more than liberals will respond like that, namely, rationalizing away anything that might imply moral guilt.
That's some world class hubris.
Frankly, it takes some pretty profound hubris to suggest you are the victim here.

I have suggested that bigotry, unexamined and therefore unconscious assumptions, inculcated beliefs, conformistic stupidities adopted for herd anonymity, etc. are all emotionally accepted without examination because there is such a thing as truth and that truth is the good. You have been conditioned via condemnation for deviancy to toe the line and assume without questioning that your conditioned beliefs are that good. That may if fact be wrong.

Like you, I could not prove that my most sacred beliefs about what The Good is, but so far unlike you I could not hold on to them if unprovable. Because of that and what I had to suffer as a consequence, I know why you don’t want to hear what I am saying. It hurts when what is most sacred is taken. I do know, however, that grace gave me something much better that can not be taken.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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What on earth makes you think I'm answerable to anyone here? And where in the hell did you ever get the idea that the election is a right/wrong situation? That's some world class hubris.
I mean, the side that the actual Nazis want in is probably the wrong side.

Oh, oh, the side that the Russians want in, that's the wrong side too.

Want me to keep going?
 

zinfamous

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Leave it to Joe to once again step on his dick. Though there is something to be said for him expressing an honest opinion. It also takes some stones for the sitting president to step up and call half the nation garbage.

The only way it could have been better is if he ended by flipping off the camera. Would have been epic.
So there's this forum, and now the president telling you what you need to hear.

When is it ever going to sink in? Do you ever have any interest in getting better?
 
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