Valve can count to 3 afterall

[irishScott]

Never played any battlefields.

I just mention it because BF3 strives for more "realistic" running motion, whereas L4D2 is the more traditional "run smoothly in any direction until you're hit"

 

[JTsyo]

I never understood why people foam at the mouth about HL3's release.

You KNOW Valve WILL release it. Just give it time and forget about it.

HL1 was a landmark. HL2 was monumental at its time with true free physics. Both graphics and gameplay didn't improve that much today. Making HL3 now would be dumb and fall as just another FPS.

HL3 should be the true next-gen game. Something that requires another ground breaking element.

Just give it another 4-8 years. Without a doubt you know Valve will make it.

Yes they'll make HL3 and I'll play it. But by the time they make HL6, I'll be dead, then how will I play it?

 

[darkewaffle]

Yes they'll make HL3 and I'll play it. But by the time they make HL6, I'll be dead, then how will I play it?

I bet heaven has really good internets. Hell probably has at least 56k by now.

 

[clok1966]

I bet heaven has really good internets. Hell probably has at least 56k by now.

Nah great net connection in hell, but always monitored by RIAA, and all the cracked games are those cracks the break 15 minutes into the game not that i know about that stuff..

 

[PingSpike]

TF2 is a F2P game like it or not now. You get the entire game for free and don't have to spend a penny in the game.

DOTA 2. Entire game is free and the only stuff you can purchase is cosmetic only or keys to unlock chests that have cosmetic items.

Well, I didn't get TF2 for free since I bought it before it went free. I never received my refund so "you're welcome" everyone that got it free I guess.

I don't really see how that or DOTA2 are revelations about Valve's F2P model that I apparently know nothing about. Did you think I was under the impression they didn't make F2P games? I'm well aware they have dipped their toes into this mess.

Either way, I'm just not buying (uh...) a F2P L4D. But its all speculation at this point anyway.

 

[KaOTiK]

Well, I didn't get TF2 for free since I bought it before it went free. I never received my refund so "you're welcome" everyone that got it free I guess.

I don't really see how that or DOTA2 are revelations about Valve's F2P model that I apparently know nothing about. Did you think I was under the impression they didn't make F2P games? I'm well aware they have dipped their toes into this mess.

Either way, I'm just not buying (uh...) a F2P L4D. But its all speculation at this point anyway.

I bought TF2 with the Orange Box when it came out too, want a cookie? We got to play the game for a few years before they decided to make it F2P. Not really any different than MMO's that go F2P now.

You said hate Pay 2 Win format. I said you aren't familiar with Valve's F2P model and explained it. What is so hard for you to understand? Here's a hint, they don't do Pay 2 Win.

 

[Dankk]

Well, I didn't get TF2 for free since I bought it before it went free. I never received my refund so "you're welcome" everyone that got it free I guess.

Don't tell me people actually think like this?

 

[KeithTalent]

Don't tell me people actually think like this?

Oh I'm sure some people do.

KT

 

[JTsyo]

Don't tell me people actually think like this?

Reminds me of the the parable of the workers who all worked different hours but got paid the same at the end. The lesson being, you got what you paid for don't be bitter about what others got.

 

[PingSpike]

Oh I'm sure some people do.

KT

I really don't, but his assertion was that I don't have to pay a cent. That simply isn't true unless my money was refunded. I don't actually care one way or the other though. TF2 came with a bunch of other games that I did play so its not like I'm sitting around grumbling about being ripped off. But at the same time I'm not going to pretend that I didn't financially contribute to the game because the game NOW doesn't cost anything.

I don't understand the seeming hostility against the idea that I do not play F2P games as a matter of principle. Is it because in this case the mighty Valve released them instead of the abhorrent EA? I simply believe F2P creates to strong of an incentive to break any game balance for the sake of revenue. In short, I believe the business model is fundamentally at odds with the type of game design I prefer. I haven't seen anyone really refuting this. Here's a hint, repeatedly stating "Valve doesn't do P2W" while pointing to a game that was initially funded traditionally (and still sells in game weapons IIRC) and a game that has been out for 2 weeks are not swaying me. Neither is the accompanying snide superior delivery.

 

[Red Storm]

Doesn't get more snide than this:

Well, I didn't get TF2 for free since I bought it before it went free. I never received my refund so "you're welcome" everyone that got it free I guess.

 

[CZroe]

GAH! I clicked the OP and realized while it was loading that it was probably Left 4 Dead 3 or Team Fortress 3. I was already horrified at the thought when I read the confirmation.

DAMMIT! Trolled me good.

 

[exdeath]

Quality immersive games that take effort to create taking a back seat to cut/paste online versus FPS and 3 month development cycles. Who knew!

 

[CZroe]

I never understood why people foam at the mouth about HL3's release.

You KNOW Valve WILL release it. Just give it time and forget about it.

HL1 was a landmark. HL2 was monumental at its time with true free physics. Both graphics and gameplay didn't improve that much today. Making HL3 now would be dumb and fall as just another FPS.

HL3 should be the true next-gen game. Something that requires another ground breaking element.

Just give it another 4-8 years. Without a doubt you know Valve will make it.

Actually, I'm genuinely concerned that they hit a creative brick wall and didn't know where they were going with it. They promised three episodes a mere months apart and instead we got only the first two with years between them. If they can't even finish EP3 and deliver on their promise of episodic gaming, how can we ever expect a full HL3?! Especially when they distract themselves with the new blood and make an entirely new series instead. To see it already on the third installment tells me that they aren't going to ignore their cash-cow for the pre-console fans.

 

[Wyndru]

Actually, I'm genuinely concerned that they hit a creative brick wall and didn't know where they were going with it. They promised three episodes a mere months apart and instead we got only the first two with years between them. If they can't even finish EP3 and deliver on their promise of episodic gaming, how can we ever expect a full HL3?! Especially when they distract themselves with the new blood and make an entirely new series instead. To see it already on the third installment tells me that they aren't going to ignore their cash-cow for the pre-console fans.

Exactly. I too am starting to think something unfortunately went very wrong with the development of this franchise. I wonder if they lost some critical employees (HL writers/game devs). It's been years, I figure some of the staff has turned over since the last release. Some have probably retired :awe:

 

[RampantAndroid]

Exactly. I too am starting to think something unfortunately went very wrong with the development of this franchise. I wonder if they lost some critical employees (HL writers/game devs). It's been years, I figure some of the staff has turned over since the last release. Some have probably retired :awe:

Well, I was a bit confused too as to where they planned to go with the whole aperture involvement. Ep2 was good...and I honestly just wish they'd do Ep3 and wrap things up.

well, I kinda wish they'd do that. I mostly don't give a crap anymore.

 

[HeXen]

I say a new IP that has some story similarity to HL and add in the Portal gun. However I was never impressed with HL's story, it just reminds me of tons of movies over the decades that did much the similar things.

I'd much rather see a new Stalker game over any HL right now, that's for sure.

 

[pmv]

I never understood why people foam at the mouth about HL3's release.

You KNOW Valve WILL release it. Just give it time and forget about it.

HL1 was a landmark. HL2 was monumental at its time with true free physics. Both graphics and gameplay didn't improve that much today. Making HL3 now would be dumb and fall as just another FPS.

HL3 should be the true next-gen game. Something that requires another ground breaking element.

Just give it another 4-8 years. Without a doubt you know Valve will make it.

But what made HL1 a landmark wasn't advanced tech, it was the intelligent use of the tech that was available. Employing an actual writer, telling the story entirely within the game engine, not attempting anything that exposed the limitations of the technology (barring the Xen levels maybe), employing humor, etc...

So HL3 doesn't need to be 'next gen' in tech terms, just in terms of being a very well crafted game and a well-told story.

And while valve may make it eventually, some of us are getting on a bit! No one lives forever you know! (a proper third installment of that would be nice as well - yeah, I know its not valve).

 

[shortylickens]

they need another Source engine so everyone else can lease it. Hopefully Bethesda will be first.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

I bought TF2 with the Orange Box when it came out too, want a cookie? We got to play the game for a few years before they decided to make it F2P. Not really any different than MMO's that go F2P now.

You said hate Pay 2 Win format. I said you aren't familiar with Valve's F2P model and explained it. What is so hard for you to understand? Here's a hint, they don't do Pay 2 Win.

Their system like many others limits the availability of weapons and other peformance based items in the game until you can grind them, some are demonstrably better than others because perfect balance is impossible.

Therefore TF2, just like Planetside 2 and all the other "ohh it's only cosmetic items blah blah" games, sorry but if you have to grind 2 years to get all the guns then it's P2W. If they started you off with access to all the weapons then it'd be a different story.

 

[Stringjam]

they need another Source engine so everyone else can lease it. Hopefully Bethesda will be first.

It would have to be a significant overhaul for sure, as Source doesn't do open-world.

Even the developer of Dear Esther noted that he ran into all sorts of technical problems in Source because of his level size, which comparatively speaking aren't that big at all.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Well, I didn't get TF2 for free since I bought it before it went free. I never received my refund so "you're welcome" everyone that got it free I guess.

I don't really see how that or DOTA2 are revelations about Valve's F2P model that I apparently know nothing about. Did you think I was under the impression they didn't make F2P games? I'm well aware they have dipped their toes into this mess.

Either way, I'm just not buying (uh...) a F2P L4D. But its all speculation at this point anyway.

Build yourself a bridge and get over it.

 

[darkewaffle]

At one point wasnt one of the lead Half Life writers like deathly ill or something? I vaguely remember hearing that a few years ago.

 

[Red Storm]

Their system like many others limits the availability of weapons and other peformance based items in the game until you can grind them, some are demonstrably better than others because perfect balance is impossible.

That is not exclusive to free to play games, pay to play games use the exact same system (Call of Duty comes to mind as a prime example).

 

[PrincessFrosty]

It would have to be a significant overhaul for sure, as Source doesn't do open-world.

Even the developer of Dear Esther noted that he ran into all sorts of technical problems in Source because of his level size, which comparatively speaking aren't that big at all.

I did some map editing with Hammer and wanted to make a large level that encompassed multiple flaws inside the world trade center, I did the math on the floor plan to scale it in game and created the world space for it, but it can't handle anything but the most basic geometry primitives in the world before it persistently crashes at compile time.

The engine and the editor are a fucking mess, the automatic division of large spaces into unecessary BSP zones is retarded and limits maps to tiny sizes and loads of loads of hoops for the mappers to jump through like having to cap off the world space including the ceiling.

Compared to something like Unreal Ed where you've always been able to dump down an BSP subtractive of 5x5x5 miles wide and just go nuts with building BSP just fine. Engine needs a complete overhaul.