Those are choices the publisher makes, not the developers. As far as making crap, most of the best games I have played on the PC in recent memory haven't sold well at all. If people would stop buying garbage and instead purchase quality games you would be surprised how the quality of titles would improve. Of course, if people just stopped pirating and bought all the games they were stealing there would be enough funding for all the types of games we would like to see.
It is also stealing-
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
I didn't know Valve did that. My respect for them has just gone up.
I still don't understand why some regions have games come out on different dates. Some of them are just asinine. UK and Australia have the same language as the US, but they get games way down the line. Why?
datalink7
Lifer
- Jan 23, 2001
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It's not reasonable at all. You can make an informed decision based on reviews, looks, company history, and other peoples opinions. You don't get to steal a game to see if it is a good fit and call that reasonable. How about go to the store, and having never eaten pinapple before, take a nice slice and try it? Don't like it, don't pay for it. Is that reasonable too?
Bills are named for propaganda purposes. It's just a name. Did you even read the Wikipedia article you linked to?
"a federal law passed in 1997, provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement"
I know Australia has some very strict rating and content laws that may delay some game's releases. UK may be delayed due to proximity with EU countries that don't speak English, so they're released in an EU pack with English included.
Douchebaggery in whatever your local language is? I don't know, check your country's laws. They're certainly going to be different in different countries, most modernized countries have similar laws, but you'll also see that publishers simply do not localize and distribute in countries with high piracy rates. Even Stardock has mentioned this strategy as "ignoring China". I wouldn't be shocked honestly if Western media was the #1 reason for English's high adoption rate globally. You either learn English or you don't understand what it is that you pirated.
frostedflakes
Diamond Member
- Mar 1, 2005
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No really, it's copyright infringement. Theft, although commonly used, is inaccurate. Look up Dowling v United States.
US Legal Code
US CODE: TITLE 18,2319. CRIMINAL INFRINGEMENT OF A COPYRIGHT
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE/PART I - CRIMES/CHAPTER 113 - STOLEN PROPERTY
And I guess Chapter titles in US Legal Code volumes are named for propaganda purposes too?
You're wrong on this, the extent you're willing to go to make the distinction just shows how important it is for some to justify piracy and stealing in their own minds.
coloumb
Diamond Member
- Oct 9, 1999
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Ok - so Valve is saying that most piracy happens in Russia? Does this mean they [Russians] are downloading the STEAM versions or the boxed shelf versions? And where did they get the data to back up their claim [did they have an on-line survey, knock on various doors in russia, implement spyware into their STEAM versions, etc?].
The price of pc games really hasn't changed much over the past 25 years. Classics such as Archon, Jumpman, Pinball Construction Set, etc were priced around $40.00 they day they hit store shelves. IMHO - people pirate games today because of high speed internet / ease of finding the games to download. Why pay for something when you can get it for free without any consequences for your actions?
Downloadable content for those who purchased a game? That's how I see PC gaming heading towards to help curb piracy. They [publishers] definitely need to curb their prices as well [digital copies should be cheaper than the boxed versions].
The price of pc games really hasn't changed much over the past 25 years. Classics such as Archon, Jumpman, Pinball Construction Set, etc were priced around $40.00 they day they hit store shelves. IMHO - people pirate games today because of high speed internet / ease of finding the games to download. Why pay for something when you can get it for free without any consequences for your actions?
Downloadable content for those who purchased a game? That's how I see PC gaming heading towards to help curb piracy. They [publishers] definitely need to curb their prices as well [digital copies should be cheaper than the boxed versions].
Ars Technica
If you're asking why anyone gives a crap, it's because Russia's PPP is $15,000 per person while China is only $6,000. There is money to be made in Russia, not China.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
A tangible loss is a tangible loss no matter whether it's physical or digital. Someone is losing money, so you're stealing. Get over it.
Besides, do you think your insurance company gives a crap if your car is stolen and you can't get to work? Nope... the only thing they care about is the monetary value assigned to the car.
As far as the article goes, I think Valve is half right. The problem these days isn't so much being a have-not, but rather the notion of entitlement that everybody has now. Most people that pirate do so because they can with little fear of reprisal. Why spend your hard earned cash when you don't have to? Plus it's a faceless crime, and there's no notion of quantity involved. You're not walking into the store with the specter of people watching every move you make. People trust the anonymity of the internet. You don't walk away with anything stuffed in your pockets. There's just little risk in getting caught - hence why people do it. And even if publishers localize their content for release, it's not going to stop this "I am entitled to this game" notion that all you pirates have, no matter how you try to justify it - you are NOT entitled to a title without paying for it (unless of course it's free in the first place).
Besides, do you think your insurance company gives a crap if your car is stolen and you can't get to work? Nope... the only thing they care about is the monetary value assigned to the car.
As far as the article goes, I think Valve is half right. The problem these days isn't so much being a have-not, but rather the notion of entitlement that everybody has now. Most people that pirate do so because they can with little fear of reprisal. Why spend your hard earned cash when you don't have to? Plus it's a faceless crime, and there's no notion of quantity involved. You're not walking into the store with the specter of people watching every move you make. People trust the anonymity of the internet. You don't walk away with anything stuffed in your pockets. There's just little risk in getting caught - hence why people do it. And even if publishers localize their content for release, it's not going to stop this "I am entitled to this game" notion that all you pirates have, no matter how you try to justify it - you are NOT entitled to a title without paying for it (unless of course it's free in the first place).
BassBomb
Diamond Member
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How do you lose what you didn't have? Some pirates will never spend money on a game, them continuing to pirate does not cause any LOST money, just lost potential money. If I pirate a game after I decide I will not buy it, how did you lose money as opposed to me not buying it w/o pirating?
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
By your own words:
They lost money because you didn't pay for the right to play (yes even the sucky) game. Them not releasing a demo or solid trials is no justification for you to steal. YOU spent time with the title, whether you liked it or not.
I assume you would have no qualms walking into a movie theater without buying a ticket, sitting down to "screen" a movie, and walk out if you didn't like it. No harm, no foul, right? After all, you didn't enjoy the movie, so why bother paying! :roll:
Again, it's your sense of entitlement which is completely off base here. You are NOT entitled to play a game before you buy it (except though approved means - no matter how distasteful you may find them, if at all). If you don't like the way the publisher does it, stay the fuck away from the title. Plain and simple.
rivan
Diamond Member
- Jul 8, 2003
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$60 is too much.
Rather, $60 is too much to pay for the average game that comes out. It's just fine for the once-a-year boxful of awesome. I'd pay $60 for Mass Effect. I resent/regret paying more than about $20 for the other 99% of the games that come out per year.
$30 for games without a demo. $40 for games with a demo that's representative of the final game.
We can all argue till the end of time about the ethics behind piracy, but let's face the facts. The only thing that is really going to benefit both devs and publishers when it comes to piracy is a solution that involves a clever way of profiting off of it.
For example, this idea is at least a good start and I am sure there are ways to reduce the abuse.
For example, this idea is at least a good start and I am sure there are ways to reduce the abuse.
I pirate games and then justify it because it pisses off the people who hate piracy. I will only stop if they embrace my piracy.
Oyeve
Lifer
- Oct 18, 1999
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When I got my first game system (Atari 2600) in 1979 games were 50 bucks a pop. And that was 30 years ago on a 2 bit system (literally 2 bits). 60 bucks 30 years later is fine considering hardware has come a long way and games are much more sophisticated. I pay 60 bucks for a game, but I never buy blindly. I either get a demo or wait for reputable reviews.
frostedflakes
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- Mar 1, 2005
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Unfortunately you probably are in the minority on this. I don't do this much for games, but I do for music. I really enjoy supporting artists and developers if the product is good.
Count me in as part of the minority as well then. Although, as more time passes I do things this way less and less. I think it partially has to do with the fact that I don't buy as many games as I used to and I have been waiting longer to buy them so I get a better idea of what I am purchasing.
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