Valve Banning people for CC fraud and invalid key use!

[warcrow]

Servers them right IMO. Thread can be found Here

 

[Cheetah8799]

LOL! The good stuff starts on Page 3.

Hmm, let's see:

7 attempts to use stolen or fake cd-keys
11 attempts to use an invalid credit-card number to purchase CZ

All from the Steam account w/ the same name as the email address you used to sign up on the forums with. All from the computer you are using to post on the forums with.

Can you point out the mistake we made?

You give this forum and Steam 2 pieces of info when you sign up - an account name, and a legit email address. Every time you use Steam and this forum, your IP address is available. If you see the same name, the same email, and the same IP address tied to somone's forum activities, and then the same name, email address and IP address on Steam that tried 7 times to use stolen or fake cd-key and 11 invalid credit-card number tries... you can probably make a well founded assumption.

Some people aren't very clever. Every website in the world tracks IP addresses and such information.

Although I can't quite figure out why these idiots are talking about this in a public forum instead of email of telephone...

EDIT: From the end of Page 4

Update: If you want to persue further information about your disabled account, you can email billing@valvesoftware.com.

 

[Balt]

quoteriginally posted by Paulianer
Yes, let's hope they don't start it like Blizzard, where some accounts where disabled without any reason. I hope they are man enough to realize that it was a mistake in my case and that they reactivate it.



Hmm, let's see:

7 attempts to use stolen or fake cd-keys
11 attempts to use an invalid credit-card number to purchase CZ

All from the Steam account w/ the same name as the email address you used to sign up on the forums with. All from the computer you are using to post on the forums with.

Can you point out the mistake we made?

Owned doesn't even begin to describe that.

 

[InlineFive]

to Valve

 

[DarkKnight]

good job valve :thumbsup:

 

[AFB]

So they are banning people who have attempted to do this? Now that is fvcked up. I could see banning people who do it, but people who try and fail....

I don't think Taylor or I said anything about any kind of "easy little exploit by IP". I think the message was more about repeat key theft attempts and repeat credit card fraud attempts.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
So they are banning people who have attempted to do this? Now that is fvcked up. I could see banning people who do it, but people who try and fail....

I don't think Taylor or I said anything about any kind of "easy little exploit by IP". I think the message was more about repeat key theft attempts and repeat credit card fraud attempts.

"Repeated cc fraud attempts". Fraud, meaning sloten cards. The only reason why it failed at authenticating themselves (kudos to Valve) is b/c of Valve's security. Just because they're not successful doesnt mean that the intent wasnt there in the first place. Valve is protecting their property.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
So they are banning people who have attempted to do this? Now that is fvcked up. I could see banning people who do it, but people who try and fail....

I don't think Taylor or I said anything about any kind of "easy little exploit by IP". I think the message was more about repeat key theft attempts and repeat credit card fraud attempts.

I'd like to see you try to explain why it is "fvcked up" to ban people attempting credit card fraud.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, if this was actual attempted CC fraud, then kudos to Valve for detecting and stopping it.

I'm still not happy with Valve attempting to deny people their right to freedom of speech and expression though. I'm boycotting that bunch of fascists until further notice.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Well, if this was actual attempted CC fraud, then kudos to Valve for detecting and stopping it.

I'm still not happy with Valve attempting to deny people their right to freedom of speech and expression though. I'm boycotting that bunch of fascists until further notice.

What about Valve's Intellectual Property Rights? What about their rights to the Property that is their forums? You are owned VirtualLarry - they cannot stifle his right to free speech... he can always buy his OWN forums... or protest on public property instead of on virtual private property.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Well, if this was actual attempted CC fraud, then kudos to Valve for detecting and stopping it.

I'm still not happy with Valve attempting to deny people their right to freedom of speech and expression though. I'm boycotting that bunch of fascists until further notice.

What about Valve's Intellectual Property Rights? What about their rights to the Property that is their forums? You are owned VirtualLarry - they cannot stifle his right to free speech... he can always buy his OWN forums... or protest on public property instead of on virtual private property.

I was speaking about Valve's attempts at legal action against web sites that express their free speech about bugs and exploits in Valve's software. Valve does not have a right to stifle someone else's speech (hosted on their own site, not Valve's), just to cover up defects in their software, even if the public exposure of those defects could cause Value to lose money or customer goodwill. "Cheating", while perhaps not good etiquette, is not against the law, and I personally question Value's standing, in a legal sense, against someone who is not actually cheating, only expressing, in their own words, how to go about it.

I mean, authors of "pulp fiction" murder-mystery novels aren't put in prison for murder, are they?
Why should Valve be allowed to get away with their own fascist, dictatorial, abuse of the legal system?
There's no way that I would ever financially support a corporation that abuses the God-given rights of individuals to express themselves freely.

So please, explain again how I am "0wn3d"? Are you a fascist too, that doesn't believe in the right to free expression? If you are, then you exist within a system, that is "owning" yourself. I do not believe, nor support, such a system.

Edit: Sorry, I apologize for the above somewhat-personal comment, I just got caught up in an "angry moment" ranting about Valve. I don't think stnicralisk understood what I was talking about originally, and thought I was simply referring to user posts on Valve's messageboard being administratively-controlled. I'm leaving the comment as I originally posted it, because I don't believe in hiding things, although I fixed a typo too.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
So they are banning people who have attempted to do this? Now that is fvcked up. I could see banning people who do it, but people who try and fail....

I don't think Taylor or I said anything about any kind of "easy little exploit by IP". I think the message was more about repeat key theft attempts and repeat credit card fraud attempts.

I'd like to see you try to explain why it is "fvcked up" to ban people attempting credit card fraud.

The next thing will be thinking about crime, you watch and wait.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Who hasn't tried a little cc fraud?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Who hasn't tried a little cc fraud?

LOL, I still don't understand what the fuss is about. Valve says it caught them commiting CC fraud. If the really had evidence , they would turn it over to the police and let them deal with it instead of this childish locking of people's accounts. Now if the account was registered with a fake CC, that is a different story and Valve should lock it if they want.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Who hasn't tried a little cc fraud?

LOL, I still don't understand what the fuss is about. Valve says it caught them commiting CC fraud. If the really had evidence , they would turn it over to the police and let them deal with it instead of this childish locking of people's accounts. Now if the account was registered with a fake CC, that is a different story and Valve should lock it if they want.

Why shouldn't they lock the account? Maybe they contacted the companies that issued the CCs. Either way, it doesn't mean they should let these kids continue being morons (attempted CC fraud is just moronic :evil: ).

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Who hasn't tried a little cc fraud?

LOL, I still don't understand what the fuss is about. Valve says it caught them commiting CC fraud. If the really had evidence , they would turn it over to the police and let them deal with it instead of this childish locking of people's accounts. Now if the account was registered with a fake CC, that is a different story and Valve should lock it if they want.

You really shouldn't just make things up. It's not Valve's job to catch peole who commit credit card fraud, it's primarily the card issuer's responsibility (Visa, AMEX, etc). Valve's responsibility is to protect the security and integrity of their systems, which is all they did in this case.

If you were the owner of a store and someone kept writing bad checks and using bad credit cards, I suppose you'd continue to let them shop there?