Valium effects

[Torn Mind]

So, I had some periodontal surgery today and the two dentists working on me broke off into coversation....(of course, people have a tendency to forget the patient is alive and conscious....)

One was talking about her experience MRIs and how she discovered she was claustrophobic. Four MRIs. 2nd and third were medicated. She mentioned she took two pills of Valium. Physically, she was all calm and heart rate low, but she was crying or something.

Anyway, the real interesting part is the "obsessive purchase" effect. Same lady said that after one of the sessions, she said she told her whole family they had to go to this grocery store called "Universal", and that it was the utmost importance to get a bunch of Hello Kitty pasta. Day after, she had no recollection of that whole event.

She then mentioned that she had patient who got Valium went home, but on that day, must have bought a Porsche. Because the day after, the patientwoke up and "discovered" the Porsche in his driveway, again having no recollection of the purchase. Now, this wasn't some impulse buy according to he, he had been thinking about it for a while, but he had no inhibitions under the drug.

 

[BoomerD]

When I had my knee surgery...almost 20 years ago, the doc had me on oxycontin, Vicodin, (which I'm allergic to, so I took Benadryl with it) Valium, and Ambien. I never experienced any of the weird side effects people talk about. No "sleep walking/driving," no obsessive purchasing, nada.

 

[Dulanic]

Having taken valium, there is no way 2 valium made anyone buy a Porshe. I call BS lol. Sounds like a excuse for their significant other. Benzos are a very commonly prescribed medication. Unless the prescription was written for a horse and was 10x the normal dosages.

 

[Torn Mind]

Having taken valium, there is no way 2 valium made anyone buy a Porshe. I call BS lol. Sounds like a excuse for their significant other. Benzos are a very commonly prescribed medication. Unless the prescription was written for a horse and was 10x the normal dosages.

The two valium dose was not related to the Porsche purchase. The effect of the two-valium dose was just "calm physical indicators" but the patient(the dentist working on my) was apparently still unnerved having to go in an MRI machine.

The Porsche purchase was apparently something that apparently to a patient of said dentist. And the dentist's own experience was going to some supermarket to get Hello Kitty pasta.

Again, this stuff wasn't told as a story for me(I had a bit block and I had periodontal plaque to remove). It's the two workers conversing with each other during my operation.

Because the operation took about 2 and half hours, there was more chatter about other things. I.e the same periodontist getting recorded by someone else(I'm not sure if it is within NIH or at private practice) and getting to hearing the recording; apparently. And talking about sometimes reporting sexual abuse because somehow sedated patients let the secret slip for whatever reason.

 

[sandorski]

Having taken valium, there is no way 2 valium made anyone buy a Porshe. I call BS lol. Sounds like a excuse for their significant other. Benzos are a very commonly prescribed medication. Unless the prescription was written for a horse and was 10x the normal dosages.

Knowing someone who habitually Buys/Sells/Trades vehicles, I could believe that this could happen. That assumes a pattern of behaviour though.

 

[Captante]

Benzos are fully capable of causing "blackouts" especially in large doses or in combination with alcohol however I don't believe 20mg's max from 2x diazepam tabs would be an issue. (except MAYBE for a very small person)

 

[crashtech]

I thought Ambien was notorious for this sort of thing, but not Valium. Of course, everyone's physiology is a little different, so claims like this are difficult to dismiss out of hand. My personal, brief experience with Valium is that 20mg could indeed severely impair someone of small stature. 20mg is double the max dose (for someone not acclimated) afaik.

 

[sdifox]

Op was high on something and imagined the whole thing.

 

[Captante]

I thought Ambien was notorious for this sort of thing, but not Valium. Of course, everyone's physiology is a little different, so claims like this are difficult to dismiss out of hand. My personal, brief experience with Valium is that 20mg could indeed severely impair someone of small stature. 20mg is double the max dose (for someone not acclimated) afaik.

The only time I've encountered serious addiction was with diazepam I was taking for back-spasms many years ago. At one point I was taking 100-120 mg's (!!) at a time and I LIKED they way they tasted when I chewed them up it got so bad! (obviously I had a huge tolerance)

Foolishly I went "cold-turkey" 100% on my own with zero medical assistance which can be extremely dangerous. (I was unaware of this at the time)

Diazepam however is actually one of the safest benzos in terms of causing an overdose death on its own and in terms of memory-loss/blackouts. The worst that I'm aware of is the illegal in the US "Rohypnol" *(ie: roofies)

Rohypnol (Drugs.com)

 

[crashtech]

@Captante , glad you made it out the other end of that experience. Kicking heavy benzo use is rough!

 

[Captante]

@Captante , glad you made it out the other end of that experience. Kicking heavy benzo use is rough!

Fortunately I had a fat bag of weed or I'm not sure I survive!
(Seriously.... all I did was sleep, smoke weed and drink water for 3 days. Weed helped me keep the water down)

And I sorta lied.... the WORST "addiction" I've ever experience by a country-mile was actually quitting cigarettes! (it's been over 20 years and they STILL smell good sometimes!)

 

[igor_kavinski]

And I sorta lied.... the WORST "addiction" I've ever experience by a country-mile was actually quitting cigarettes! (it's been over 20 years and they STILL smell good sometimes!)

I wonder if you would be able to resist Cuban cigars

How come mentioning almost everything under the sun except dark chocolate? Endorphins are the most powerful drug!

 

[Captante]

I wonder if you would be able to resist Cuban cigars

How come mentioning almost everything under the sun except dark chocolate? Endorphins are the most powerful drug!

Cigars (no matter how pricy!) smell and taste disgusting to me although I really like the smell of "pipe" tobacco.

Cigarettes for that matter DO sometimes smell enticing especially if I'm having a (rare these days) coffee and happen to catch a whiff.

Fortunately however if I try to actually smoke one it will TASTE like utter garbage.

 

[crashtech]

Sometimes I still have a strong urge to buy a pack. I think it's fortunate that almost none of my friends or family smoke anymore, less temptation. I got one buddy in SoCal that's a chain smoker though, I worry about him.

 

[Torn Mind]

Op was high on something and imagined the whole thing.

Negative. Only local anesthesia was applied to a quadrant of my teeth. The qualifications of the individuals are also learned dental pros, thus not just your typical "dumb laywoman".

I also completely lack imagination in terms of making up stories.

In fact, perfect sobriety is my norm. It isn't just because it's good, but also because my ego does not approve losing senses or awareness.

 

[Torn Mind]

Fortunately I had a fat bag of weed or I'm not sure I survive!
(Seriously.... all I did was sleep, smoke weed and drink water for 3 days. Weed helped me keep the water down)

[And I sorta lied.... the WORST "addiction" I've ever experience by a country-mile was actually quitting cigarettes! (it's been over 20 years and they STILL smell good sometimes!)]

 

[IBMJunkman]

This touches on something I have wondered. It is my opinion professionals should not be talking about stuff not related to the purpose they are there for. Or if uninvolved people are around. Like 2 lawyers talking about a case in an elevator full of people. Or docs in an operating room talking before the patient is out.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It is my opinion professionals should not be talking about stuff not related to the purpose they are there for.

It's really tough for them to stay quiet. Making so much money leaves them utterly bored.

 

[MrSquished]

I took Ambien for a couple of years and definitely did some things I didn't remember doing. They were usually harmless, and almost mostly cooking up meals. And nothing burned down. So that was nice.

But I switched to Lunesta, and that's been fine for ages

 

[igor_kavinski]

But I switched to Lunesta, and that's been fine for ages

For insomnia? A good magnesium supplement will fix that. Why take a drug, especially one that's not recommended to be taken for more than two weeks?

 

[Captante]

A magnesium supplement will only help you in ANY WAY if are deficient in magnesium for some reason. (and except in the very elderly this is quite rare)

 

[Torn Mind]

I wonder if you would be able to resist Cuban cigars

How come mentioning almost everything under the sun except dark chocolate? Endorphins are the most powerful drug!

Dark chocolate is ultimately repulsive w/o any sugar. Maybe you can get three squares in.

For insomnia? A good magnesium supplement will fix that. Why take a drug, especially one that's not recommended to be taken for more than two weeks?

You could be more specific.
Magnesium oxide is apparently the worst choice of supplemental magnesium. Apparently, other types can cross the blood-brain barrier, but the oxide form does not.

I'm not sure magnesium is the first choice to specifically remedy sleep or if it does anything at all. I thought that would be melatonin.

A magnesium supplement will only help you in ANY WAY if are deficient in magnesium for some reason. (and except in the very elderly this is quite rare)

People can be rather insufficient in it. At least according to dietary surveys, people generally don't consume the recommended amounts. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/#h7

 

[Meghan54]

Valium was designed as an amnesiac...does work like that, too, in certain doses.

Versed is a much more capable and stronger amnesiac. It's strong enough that after administration, MD said not to sign a contract in next 2-3 days after getting a dose. I've had it twice...once for performing 4 1/2 hr. emergency facial plastic surgery on me while awake (couldn't be put under since I'd been eating and drinking alcohol just an hour or so prior to the surgery), and administered another time when I had a chest tube inserted into me due to a collapsed lung.

In both instances, I forgot phone calls I made the day after the drug was administered and my wife at the time said I was docile as a sleeping kitten and was quite "open" to suggestion. I'd imagine

Don't know how much Valium one must take to equate to what Versed does, but it does have the potential.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm not sure magnesium is the first choice to specifically remedy sleep or if it does anything at all. I thought that would be melatonin.

Magnesium takes part in over 300 biochemical reactions and it's easy for the body to run out of it if suppose, a lot of carbs are being eaten or there are other stress related factors at work.

Using Magnesium for Better Sleep

Studies have found magnesium may help people sleep better and for longer. Learn how to find the best magnesium supplements for you.

www.sleepfoundation.org

One study of older adults with insomnia found that magnesium supplementation at a dose of 500 milligrams daily for eight weeks helped them fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer, reduced nighttime awakenings, and increased their levels of naturally circulating melatonin.

 

[Captante]

The above is true only if you have a very poor diet.... if you want to improve your sleep the best single thing to start doing is exercising more not taking ANY supplement.

Eat lots of leafy green veggies instead of looking for a "magic" pill to cure you.... they don't exist.