Valedictorian Rips Up Speech And Recites Lord's Prayer

[Darwin333]

It is based on your GPA. Also you do realize their are PHD's in every field who believe in God. Believing in God does not mean your IQ, GPA, etc. is low.

Actually the more educated you are the less likely you are to believe in "a personal god to whom you pray". Among the elite scientists its as low as 15% iirc but once you get to PHDs there is a severe drop off of people who believe in religion. If you like I can find the exact numbers when I get home.

 

[zinfamous]

Actually the more educated you are the less likely you are to believe in "a personal god to whom you pray". Among the elite scientists its as low as 15% iirc but once you get to PHDs there is a severe drop off of people who believe in religion. If you like I can find the exact numbers when I get home.

that's true, but it's also specious to claim that religious or people of faith are automatically stupid, or IQ-deprived.

Some of the most brilliant people I have known are ordained--And I mean ordained; not "internet certified" so that they can marry their friends.

 

[zinfamous]

So Jewish people don't have a holiday at roughly the exact same of time? interesting....

Oh don't bother. He's ignored that question the previous dozens of times it has been put to him.

Just further confirms Incorruptible is really nothing but a troll bot playing an uneducated twat.

 

[justoh]

what's relevant about my location? i can't comment on obama but he can read my sms's? that hardly seems fair.

edit: oh this isn't the obama thread well surely someone in europe can comment on god? or even the us constitution.

 

[justoh]

that's true, but it's also specious to claim that religious or people of faith are automatically stupid, or IQ-deprived.

Some of the most brilliant people I have known are ordained--And I mean ordained; not "internet certified" so that they can marry their friends.

Yes, a scientist isn't necessarily well-rounded. But any person of faith, though not necessarily unintelligent, is necessarily stupid.

 

[Incorruptible]

Please elaborate on exactly how that was an "attack". It will require more than your usual one sentence reply though.

He is making fun of Christians because he is coward and moron. He has to go an internet forum to make himself feel important.

Why does he only attack Christians? He's in Europe which is being ruined now and he should be more worried about what's going on home.

 

[CrackRabbit]

He is making fun of Christians because he is coward and moron. He has to go an internet forum to make himself feel important.

Why does he only attack Christians? He's in Europe which is being ruined now and he should be more worried about what's going on home.

Let's see, who else does your first "paragraph" remind me of....
Oh, yeah!
That would be you.

 

[CU]

But any person of faith, though not necessarily unintelligent, is necessarily stupid.

I may not know the dictionary definition of those words well enough, as I thought intelligent and stupid were mutually exclusive.

 

[TerryMathews]

I may not know the dictionary definition of those words well enough, as I thought intelligent and stupid were mutually exclusive.

I think he meant wise instead of intelligent... Otherwise his comment made no sense.

In fairness, there have been several from him that did not.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think he meant wise instead of intelligent... Otherwise his comment made no sense.

In fairness, there have been several from him that did not.

He's Incorruptables European doppleganger

 

[Retro Rob]

Easy Rob. My intent is never to spread lies, or force my beliefs upon others. I never said believers are to keep their faith private. Practice what they preach, exactly. This doesn't not include spreading your beliefs through fear, hate, and prejudice. It means spreading your faith through the Golden Rule, kindness, and Love. Through understanding , humility, and peaceful interactions with your fellow man.

You can't make disciples without preaching? Well, I guess that's depends on what you consider preaching, in context of the Bible.

I respect others who strive to be like Christ. But I never saw in the Bibile where christ went knocking door to door handing out pamphets, got angry when others chose not to believe what he was saying, called people bigots for their disbelief, etc...

But whatever, onward Christian soldiers, right? Heaven forbid modern Christians convert followers through those virtues Christ taught years ago.

If you strive to be like Christ, then you will attract others regardless. Eternal Salvation is received, not earned.

Read Matt 10:5-14. They went to people's homes. Those verses talk about greeting the householder when entering his house. These were directive from Jesus himself.

Secondly, either you're exaggerating (likely) about people getting angry, or you're taking one experience and painting the broad-brush as many opponents of religious preaching do. I've ran into the groups that come to your home etc, and I can't recall them ever getting angry when I say no. I can't. They normally thank you for your time and go about their business. Save that for someone else.

Tell me one time any preacher called you a bigot at your door or on the street after turning down their message.

FWIW, I think you're a bad liar.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Read Matt 10:5-14. They went to people's homes. Those verses talk about greeting the householder when entering his house. These were directive from Jesus himself.

Secondly, either you're exaggerating (likely) about people getting angry, or you're taking one experience and painting the broad-brush as many opponents of religious preaching do. I've ran into the groups that come to your home etc, and I can't recall them ever getting angry when I say no. I can't. They normally thank you for your time and go about their business. Save that for someone else.

Tell me one time any preacher called you a bigot at your door or on the street after turning down their message.

FWIW, I think you're a bad liar.

Oh, and Christians never do this to opponents of their beliefs? hardly a fair sentiment, since it happens both ways.

Since you haven't defined preacher, I'll take the liberty of assuming you mean anyone of the Christian belief system that's attempting to spread the word.

My personal experiences vary. I've been called a bigot, heathen, asshole to name a few. Sometimes it was warranted due to my attitude towards the person I was having a discussion with. Sometimes it was out of frustration at me standing my ground. Sometimes it's cause the other person is an asshole too.

The only people that have come to my door since I've moved out of the city area are JW's. They have been polite, so no fun No Protestants, Mormons, Methodists, or Baptists.

Cool, I'm a bad liar. I never claimed to be a good one, and don't go around trying to lie...especially on a forum. What's the point?

Has every encounter I've ever had been negative? Hardly. My stance remains firm. Respect for those who can practice what they preach, which seems to be fewer and fewer people these days from where I'm sitting.

If you want to continue to disgress to name calling, feel free. I won't be joining you. Claiming you know my experiences without really knowing my experiences is...well....silly. I grew up Protestant, I spent countless hours debating both sides. First as a believer, now as a non-believer. But I kept the moral framework and try to apply it to my life, and teach my kids the same thing.

Edit: Matthew 10:5-14 from the NIV edition. First hit on google.

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

I'm not Jewish. Get off my lawn. These verses don't say what you think they say, but that's the best part about religious documentation, it's debateable!

 

[justoh]

I think he meant wise instead of intelligent... Otherwise his comment made no sense.

In fairness, there have been several from him that did not.

Yes, very astute of you. In future simply assume the only reasonable explanation is the correct one.

Someone can be intelligent as well as ignorant, since critical thinking is learned, not inherent (people need to be encouraged to ask questions instead of being told that all of life's questions were answered already; they also need access to a wide range of subjects - both science and humanities - and probably not repeatedly lied to as a child either). It's not mutually exclusive in the sense of the fatuously identified/recognized distinction. The bar is honestly pretty low to be able to see through religion, but apparently in some places the public schooling is so awful that the valedictorians somehow don't make it through. Not only is it a waste of a good mind, but how do you trust someone who is not simply a deist in some vague, wishy washy sense, such as many of those "great men" previously referenced, but an actual modern day theist, in 2013? You just know there must be something wrong there: it's either opportunistic/political, or else ignorant/stupid.

Summary: believing something without evidence = generally bad. State sponsored lying to citizens is bad. This kid wasn't sponsored or endorsed, so the school isn't liable and the kid is guilty only of having bad parents and an unfortunate school system.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not just "some places" justoh, there's an entire section on USA referred to as the "Bible Belt"

btw, good reply. I retract my doppelganger comment

 

[CountZero]

I say let him. It would be completely inappropriate though especially in a Christian country.

The US has never been, is not now, nor will it ever be a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc, etc country. It is a secular country with a freedom of religion and a separation of church and state.

Too many Christians seem to get the wild idea that being the majority should somehow means they get to trump other views. This kid is a perfect example. Could he have just thanked god in his speech, sure. But instead he recites the lord's prayer completely ignoring the fact that maybe not everyone there was a Christian and maybe being intentionally non-inclusive is at best rude.

His speech could've even been on how his faith helped see him through and that would be more acceptable.

Sorry, I'm not impressed by self centered people with a narrow view of the world and an inability to see from other perspectives.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The US has never been, is not now, nor will it ever be a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc, etc country. It is a secular country with a freedom of religion and a separation of church and state.

Too many Christians seem to get the wild idea that being the majority should somehow means they get to trump other views. This kid is a perfect example. Could he have just thanked god in his speech, sure. But instead he recites the lord's prayer completely ignoring the fact that maybe not everyone there was a Christian and maybe being intentionally non-inclusive is at best rude.

His speech could've even been on how his faith helped see him through and that would be more acceptable.

Sorry, I'm not impressed by self centered people with a narrow view of the world and an inability to see from other perspectives.

With around 80% of all people who can vote disagreeing with the president being anything but a christian you are effectively a christian nation.

BY CHOICE!

 

[ch33zw1z]

With around 80% of all people who can vote disagreeing with the president being anything but a christian you are effectively a christian nation.

BY CHOICE!

FUCK THAT! I refuse to succumb.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

FUCK THAT! I refuse to succumb.

I feel your pain but reality is as it is and the day when the US could have a none theist President (i mean, they almost voted in a guy who thinks that God is an alien from Kobol who ascended, got married to miss God (where she came from, no one knows) and now if you were a good little soul you're born a mormon and if you're really bad you'll bear the mark of cain and be born black) is centuries into the future.

Meanwhile, almost no Englishman knows the religion of our elected representatives and we do not care either because they won't use that as some kind of crutch, those that do are pretty much immediatly replaced.

 

[Incorruptible]

I feel your pain but reality is as it is and the day when the US could have a none theist President (i mean, they almost voted in a guy who thinks that God is an alien from Kobol who ascended, got married to miss God (where she came from, no one knows) and now if you were a good little soul you're born a mormon and if you're really bad you'll bear the mark of cain and be born black) is centuries into the future.

Meanwhile, almost no Englishman knows the religion of our elected representatives and we do not care either because they won't use that as some kind of crutch, those that do are pretty much immediatly replaced.

Yeah and that's working out so well for England :\

 

[CrackRabbit]

Yeah and that's working out so well for England :\

It seems to be working out fine for them, the few Brits that post here have zero fear of other people's religions. Unlike a certain poster whom I happen to be quoting.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yeah and that's working out so well for England :\

It does actually, much better than for a nation that is so far in debt that the wholesale of everything within the nation would result in a net minus.

Not even Greece is in that bad of a condition and that is the country that is in the worst condition in the EU.

 

[fskimospy]

It does actually, much better than for a nation that is so far in debt that the wholesale of everything within the nation would result in a net minus.

Not even Greece is in that bad of a condition and that is the country that is in the worst condition in the EU.

What country are you referring to?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It seems to be working out fine for them, the few Brits that post here have zero fear of other people's religions. Unlike a certain poster whom I happen to be quoting.

But we all need at least a loaded gun with one in the chamber on our nightstands or we wouldn't be... wait.. that's the US warzone, not the UK.

And yeah, we're doing fine, in 25 years we have had 32 terrorist attacks, two of them were muslims and 30 of them were Christian extremists... we really have to do something about those..... Muslims?

or we'll end up like... norway? I don't know...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What country are you referring to?

I would think that would be obvious.

Naturally i'm referring to the country of Idahoe.

Just kidding, i'm not American so i know all the states and know that countries and states are not the same thing as well as continents and countries are not the same thing.

Just like every other European.

 

[bshole]

Yeah but your weather sucks.....