Vacations Given Herein, Plus PSA From the Intended Victim

[dmcowen674]

Gifford's shooter obsessed with gold currency ideals

It's Beck and Levin that have hawking Gold the most.

 

[Zebo]

I've read his stuff and seen his videos.

He's schizophrenic, and in the early stages.

I know the signs, I watched my brother descend into this hell back in the 80s.

This has nothing to do with right or left, liberal or conservative. The guy is mentally ill. Period. Nothing incited this but his own illness.

The way partisans are acting over this is simply disgusting. Face it, the arguments are all in an effort to prove your ideology is correct. How sad that you take such a tragic incident and twist it to validate your ideologies.

What happened to you brother Amused? Okay? I got a brother that's nutso too takes lithium and all sorts of stuff. I think he's about 34 and been drawing SS for crazy since forever. He'd do stuff like load up shotgun shells on reloading press with toilet paper and shoot us as we walked in the door and much worse as he became an adult. I'da killed him if legal and done society a favor. But alas society continues to suffer.

When he's not in prison he and his women suck the dole and victimizes people lucky my parents divorced him after hundreds of thousands of dollars and heartache. There is no fixing crazy just get rid of them. It's funny people think crazy has politics.

 

[hal2kilo]

It's Beck and Levin that have hawking Gold the most.

Pathetically, even the progressive talk show personalities, even Thom Hartman, are hawking gold. I have a feeling the outfits they are pushing are actually legit at least.

 

[Amused]

What happened to you brother Amused? Okay? I got a brother that's nutso too takes lithium and all sorts of stuff. I think he's about 34 and been drawing SS for crazy since forever. He'd do stuff like load up shotgun shells on reloading press with toilet paper and shoot us as we walked in the door and much worse as he became an adult. I'da killed him if legal and done society a favor. But alas society continues to suffer.

For more than 10 years the family took care of him after he hit rock bottom and was thrown in jail on a petty charge. They got him started on his meds and we made sure he had someone checking on him daily. But a couple years ago, he went off his meds and disappeared. We have no idea where he is today.

 

[halik]

Ron Paul-tard. Figures.

 

[Rainsford]

As usual with events like this, it turns out that crazy people who do things like shoot up a crowd at a political get together ALSO do a lot more normal things as well. If the shooter enjoys Chinese food or baseball, I don't think that reflects poorly on those things.

Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the way people are trying to turn this into a political game...and that goes for both sides. Not everything needs to be played for political advantage, particularly when it's something we can probably all agree on. Except everyone's so deep into the "game" that I think they forget there are things beyond politics.

 

[Rainsford]

Pathetically, even the progressive talk show personalities, even Thom Hartman, are hawking gold. I have a feeling the outfits they are pushing are actually legit at least.

Look, I think the idea that we need to go back to the "gold standard" shows a pretty remarkable lack of understanding of modern economics, but I don't think it's a reasonable explanation for why someone would shoot a political figure.

 

[First]

While it's true it doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on those activities, it's no coincidence that gold bugs tend to be some form of conspiracy theorists, libertarians, Constitutional originalists, or be generally poorly educated or some form of self-education well beyond normal standards. Loughner certainly doesn't speak for the gold currency nuts, but bottomline is that it doesn't stop them from being nuts (oh and consistently, laughably wrong year after year).

 

[Gyhrg71]

As usual with events like this, it turns out that crazy people who do things like shoot up a crowd at a political get together ALSO do a lot more normal things as well. If the shooter enjoys Chinese food or baseball, I don't think that reflects poorly on those things.

Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the way people are trying to turn this into a political game...and that goes for both sides. Not everything needs to be played for political advantage, particularly when it's something we can probably all agree on. Except everyone's so deep into the "game" that I think they forget there are things beyond politics.

Well I agree with what you are saying, its only natural.

For instance I wonder how many people who are saying its ridiculous to blame extreme rhetoric for these incidents showed similar restraint when Army Major Hasan shot up Fort. Worth?

 

[halik]

Look, I think the idea that we need to go back to the "gold standard" shows a pretty remarkable lack of understanding of modern economics, but I don't think it's a reasonable explanation for why someone would shoot a political figure.

I think you'd see pretty strong correlation in people that subscribe to fed taking our money / gold standard / 911 conspiracy nonsense and paranoid/shizoid disorders. Schizophrenia does seem to have an empirical link to violence...

 

[hal2kilo]

I think you'd see pretty strong correlation in people that subscribe to fed taking our money / gold standard / 911 conspiracy nonsense and paranoid/shizoid disorders. Schizophrenia does seem to have an empirical link to violence...

It's the paranoia part.

 

[JD50]

As usual with events like this, it turns out that crazy people who do things like shoot up a crowd at a political get together ALSO do a lot more normal things as well. If the shooter enjoys Chinese food or baseball, I don't think that reflects poorly on those things.

Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the way people are trying to turn this into a political game...and that goes for both sides. Not everything needs to be played for political advantage, particularly when it's something we can probably all agree on. Except everyone's so deep into the "game" that I think they forget there are things beyond politics.

Great post Rainsford, glad to see you're still reasonable.

 

[Rainsford]

I think you'd see pretty strong correlation in people that subscribe to fed taking our money / gold standard / 911 conspiracy nonsense and paranoid/shizoid disorders. Schizophrenia does seem to have an empirical link to violence...

I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if that was true, I was just talking about the implied argument about causation here. And I also suspect the correlation is more or less one way. In other words, while a lot of people with mental problems might believe those things, I suspect most people who believe those things do not have mental problems. I think they DO lack an understanding of the facts involved and have poor reasoning abilities, but that's not the same thing.

 

[Steeplerot]

lol That's nothing Hitler believed in welfare.

Hitler loved dogs, Stalin had a cat! omg everyone...with pets...is a commiesocialistnazi!

 

[Steeplerot]

Yes, this is not PC but a lot of people over the years have said the same thing sine the 1980s.

I wonder if you could have given a flash mental exam to all these teabaggers how many a showing signs of schizophrenia or dementia to be attracted to such paranoid delusions on the tv/radio, or how far people pushed can go borderline. The whole "conservative" headtrip came about from Reagan and his wild delusions. Is the conservative ideology the ramblings of a dementia ridden old man and the receptive schizophrenics? Once a lot of people follow something people assume it must make sense.
The small govt/deregulation without any rules of the road bit in reality is a nightmare when put into action. Reagan was not that dumb as a politician to have such a immature view after such a long career.
The whole conservative revolution is like some paranoid crazy scrawl on the dudes youtube about the government with fundie Christians thrown into the mix to really make it really sociopathic on so many levels.

This would explains a lot of conservatives cult like mentality from talk radio/foxnews and complete detachment (and being paranoid if someone "outside" questions.) from half the population when it comes to a common reality.

So there is my case for why Conservatism is a mental disorder. 😉

 

[Lanyap]

Yes, this is not PC but a lot of people over the years have said the same thing sine the 1980s.

I wonder if you could have given a flash mental exam to all these teabaggers how many a showing signs of schizophrenia or dementia to be attracted to such paranoid delusions on the tv/radio, or how far people pushed can go borderline. The whole "conservative" headtrip came about from Reagan and his wild delusions. Is the conservative ideology the ramblings of a dementia ridden old man and the receptive schizophrenics? Once a lot of people follow something people assume it must make sense.
The small govt/deregulation without any rules of the road bit in reality is a nightmare when put into action. Reagan was not that dumb as a politician to have such a immature view after such a long career.
The whole conservative revolution is like some paranoid crazy scrawl on the dudes youtube about the government with fundie Christians thrown into the mix to really make it really sociopathic on so many levels.

This would explains a lot of conservatives cult like mentality from talk radio/foxnews and complete detachment (and being paranoid if someone "outside" questions.) from half the population when it comes to a common reality.

So there is my case for why Conservatism is a mental disorder. 😉

LOL

 

[Zebo]

Hitler loved dogs, Stalin had a cat! omg everyone...with pets...is a commiesocialistnazi!

Thanks for reiterating my point Red. Just because you have a predilection or preference for something that a mass murderer does does not make you a mass murderer. That's why this thread is retarded. There are college faculty, economists and even some congressmen obsessed with a gold standard but they are not out wacking people.

 

[Zebo]

Yes, this is not PC but a lot of people over the years have said the same thing sine the 1980s.

I wonder if you could have given a flash mental exam to all these teabaggers how many a showing signs of schizophrenia or dementia to be attracted to such paranoid delusions on the tv/radio, or how far people pushed can go borderline. The whole "conservative" headtrip came about from Reagan and his wild delusions. Is the conservative ideology the ramblings of a dementia ridden old man and the receptive schizophrenics? Once a lot of people follow something people assume it must make sense.
The small govt/deregulation without any rules of the road bit in reality is a nightmare when put into action. Reagan was not that dumb as a politician to have such a immature view after such a long career.
The whole conservative revolution is like some paranoid crazy scrawl on the dudes youtube about the government with fundie Christians thrown into the mix to really make it really sociopathic on so many levels.

This would explains a lot of conservatives cult like mentality from talk radio/foxnews and complete detachment (and being paranoid if someone "outside" questions.) from half the population when it comes to a common reality.

So there is my case for why Conservatism is a mental disorder. 😉

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[ConstipatedVigilante]

Yes, this is not PC but a lot of people over the years have said the same thing sine the 1980s.

I wonder if you could have given a flash mental exam to all these teabaggers how many a showing signs of schizophrenia or dementia to be attracted to such paranoid delusions on the tv/radio, or how far people pushed can go borderline. The whole "conservative" headtrip came about from Reagan and his wild delusions. Is the conservative ideology the ramblings of a dementia ridden old man and the receptive schizophrenics? Once a lot of people follow something people assume it must make sense.
The small govt/deregulation without any rules of the road bit in reality is a nightmare when put into action. Reagan was not that dumb as a politician to have such a immature view after such a long career.
The whole conservative revolution is like some paranoid crazy scrawl on the dudes youtube about the government with fundie Christians thrown into the mix to really make it really sociopathic on so many levels.

This would explains a lot of conservatives cult like mentality from talk radio/foxnews and complete detachment (and being paranoid if someone "outside" questions.) from half the population when it comes to a common reality.

So there is my case for why Conservatism is a mental disorder. 😉

I think you're suffering from some sort of disorder yourself, one that somehow makes socialism and communism seem possible.

 

[bamacre]

I think you'd see pretty strong correlation in people that subscribe to fed taking our money / gold standard / 911 conspiracy nonsense and paranoid/shizoid disorders. Schizophrenia does seem to have an empirical link to violence...

The argument against central banking and fiat money go a lot further than "the fed is stealing our money." Sorry, but you can't make a complex argument so simple just so you can tie it to yesterday's tragedy.

 

[halik]

The argument against central banking and fiat money go a lot further than "the fed is stealing our money." Sorry, but you can't make a complex argument so simple just so you can tie it to yesterday's tragedy.

The kid was the one railing against the FED and fiat currency, not me. I'm merely making an observation that supporters of that stuff generally subscribe to other conspiracy theories as well.

 

[Darwin333]

The kid was the one railing against the FED and fiat currency, not me. I'm merely making an observation that supporters of that stuff generally subscribe to other conspiracy theories as well.

I assume you believe the same when it comes to enviromental whackjobs as well because of a few batshit crazy assholes who did batshit crazy stuff?

Personally, I believe you are a fucking idiot either way just like all the other idiots trying to tie batshit crazy fuckers doing batshit crazy shit into this belief or that belief. I think ALF has a bunch of batshit crazy fuckers in it but I do not believe that all , or even most, animal lovers are prone to batshit crazy actions.

It is the batshit crazy part that makes people do batshit crazy shit, end of story.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Crazy is crazy and requires no political affiliation! But in cases like this where an elected offical is targeted it will always be seen as a political act, voting with a gun is the strongest type of political activism, and will always cast a shadow of suspision on the victims politial opponents.

Nearly 50yrs after JFK's assaination and many still believe his politial opponents were involved in some way.

 

[rudder]

John Hinkley Jr. tried to kill Ronald Reagan because of Jodi Foster and her character in the movie Taxi Driver.

This guy tried to kill a congresswoman for the same reason Hinkley tried to kill Ronald Reagan... mental illness. I suppose there could be a liberal connection in Hinkley's case because he eventually worked towards a being an English major.. although he never finished college.

After the right wing extremist who flew his plane into the IRS office, and the right winger who tried to blow up times square had thier rightwingedness fizzle out, the left leaning media outlets finally can paint the tea party as a bunch of violent activists.

Of course now the left wing media can no longer complain about right wing blowhards saying all muslims are terrorists. I mean if one terrorists tried to blow up some women and children... this means all muslims must want to do the same thing... since they share some of the same core beliefs and all.

 

[Infohawk]

You may not be a nut if you're a fan of the gold standard, but if you add to it 9/11 conspiracy theories it starts to look pretty bad. Honestly this guy reminds me a bit of Anarchist420.