VA Tech style attack threatened, halted

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, 5k rounds of ammo!?!? :roll:

That's like 5,000 dead people! He could take out an entire college campus if he's got l33t skills.

Only if he has a couple sherpas with him. 5000 rounds weigh about 400-450 lbs.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: SZLiao214
Never actually planned? Thats a crap load of guns and ammo just for fun.

I have a lot more, and they are used just for fun.

I love how the media sensationalizes this type of thing.

"...more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition, some that could pierce armor..."

So... several bricks of .22 LR and a box of most types of rifle ammunition could fit that bill. I would bet that the AK-47s were semi-automatic, too. If they had been fully-automatic, they media would have jumped all over that fact. They seem to prefer to lead people to the wrong, but more sensational conclusion.

Agreed stupid media.... I think I have over 500 rounds of .22LR and maybe arround a couple hundred rounds of .223 -- OOooh noes... a couple hundred rounds of "armor piercing" rounds...

MEDIA FTL.

Actually, Detective Antonio Aquino said their were "armor piercing" rounds.. way to go and sensationalize the event assw*pe... Being a detective he should know better..

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: SZLiao214
Never actually planned? Thats a crap load of guns and ammo just for fun.

That's not that much in ammo really (or guns if you're a collector, but I don't think he seems to fall under this). Think of it this way, it's pretty easy to go through 100 rounds in a single session at the range. Say you go to the range once a week maybe every other week, that's 2600 rounds a year. Plus, given the cost of ammo, it always makes sense to purchase your ammunition in large lots.

I never buy in quantities less than 800-1000 rounds (case), usually quite a bit more if I get a good price on something. The UPS man wasn't too happy with my 20,000+ round order of Turkish 8mm Mauser I scored for $2/80 rounds.

Damn, that's a good buy on the 8mm. I still have maybe one box of 1000 rounds of the Turk left but I was buying it at around $4/70 round bandalier with shipping.

 

[randalee]

He lives in the state of Oregon. Nothing wrong with having AKs there. No need to register them, either. Nothing wrong with having 5k of ammo. I'm like the others. I buy in quantity to get the heavier discounts available when buying military surplus ammunition. Price per thousand is anywhere from $120 to several hundred dollars, depending on type.

Yeah, he was dumb and made some threats. He needs to be prosecuted for that. The fact that he had the ability to carry them out does make it more of a concern for people. However, he did nothing illegal until the threats were made -- I hope people can understand that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: randalee
He lives in the state of Oregon. Nothing wrong with having AKs there. No need to register them, either. Nothing wrong with having 5k of ammo. I'm like the others. I buy in quantity to get the heavier discounts available when buying military surplus ammunition. Price per thousand is anywhere from $120 to several hundred dollars, depending on type.

Yeah, he was dumb and made some threats. He needs to be prosecuted for that. The fact that he had the ability to carry them out does make it more of a concern for people. However, he did nothing illegal until the threats were made -- I hope people can understand that.

True. The fact that he chose to hide some of the weapons will probably contribute towards the decision that the judge will make when deciding his punishment though. A lot of people forget that while some of the things you do may not be illegal, they still can potentially have an impact on what happens to you in our court system just as if it were illegal. Sometimes, it is rightfully so too. I'm not sure that I believe it "should" work out that way in this case, but there has to be some reason why he put the guns in the closet.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: randalee
He lives in the state of Oregon. Nothing wrong with having AKs there. No need to register them, either. Nothing wrong with having 5k of ammo. I'm like the others. I buy in quantity to get the heavier discounts available when buying military surplus ammunition. Price per thousand is anywhere from $120 to several hundred dollars, depending on type.

Yeah, he was dumb and made some threats. He needs to be prosecuted for that. The fact that he had the ability to carry them out does make it more of a concern for people. However, he did nothing illegal until the threats were made -- I hope people can understand that.

True. The fact that he chose to hide some of the weapons will probably contribute towards the decision that the judge will make when deciding his punishment though. A lot of people forget that while some of the things you do may not be illegal, they still can potentially have an impact on what happens to you in our court system just as if it were illegal. Sometimes, it is rightfully so too. I'm not sure that I believe it "should" work out that way in this case, but there has to be some reason why he put the guns in the closet.

I hide some of my guns. I wouldn't want to make it easy on any burglars that might break in while I was gone.

 

[UNCjigga]

...and 100 rounds in a feeding clip with bullets "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery

OK, admittedly I know nothing about guns, but WTF? Is this ammo even legal to own/buy? WHY should it be? Is this just media hyperbole or is this kinda gear easily obtainable to any disturbed kid? The 2nd Amendment is whack. Real men defend themselves with their hands (or really sharp knives when hunting boar!) Me, I defend myself by throwing money at a problem until it's fixed!

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
He hid them in his parents' closet? Don't his parents even use the closet? I mean wtf, how can you not know there are two hugeass guns there.

Nothing say they didn't know the guns in there. Only that they are not belong to them.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: randalee
He lives in the state of Oregon. Nothing wrong with having AKs there. No need to register them, either. Nothing wrong with having 5k of ammo. I'm like the others. I buy in quantity to get the heavier discounts available when buying military surplus ammunition. Price per thousand is anywhere from $120 to several hundred dollars, depending on type.

Yeah, he was dumb and made some threats. He needs to be prosecuted for that. The fact that he had the ability to carry them out does make it more of a concern for people. However, he did nothing illegal until the threats were made -- I hope people can understand that.

True. The fact that he chose to hide some of the weapons will probably contribute towards the decision that the judge will make when deciding his punishment though. A lot of people forget that while some of the things you do may not be illegal, they still can potentially have an impact on what happens to you in our court system just as if it were illegal. Sometimes, it is rightfully so too. I'm not sure that I believe it "should" work out that way in this case, but there has to be some reason why he put the guns in the closet.

I hide some of my guns. I wouldn't want to make it easy on any burglars that might break in while I was gone.

Fair enough but I think the situation here is a bit different. He is 20 years old, lives with his parents, and this:

He had hidden two AK-47s in his parents' closet, and his parents said the guns did not belong to them, Aquino said.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting this quote, but it sounds as if the parents didn't even know the guns were hidden in the closet.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

The armor piercing bit is probably true. I have a hunch that they meant steel core ammo. And steel core ammo is not generally available to the public. Sporting goods stores sell hunting ammo, which is meant to expand when it hits game.

 

[randay]

lock him up and throw away the key. we dont need anymore senseless massacres.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SZLiao214
Never actually planned? Thats a crap load of guns and ammo just for fun.

Not really. I only have 3 firearms, but I have roughly 1,000 rounds for each. It's much less expensive to buy in bulk ($95/500 rounds compared to $17/50), and especially so for rifles ($120/900 military surplus rounds compared to $21/20). If one spends time at the range regularly then having a lot of ammo is common. You can burn through 200 rounds at the range in almost no time at all. And if you have a .22, it's even easier to end up with huge amounts of ammo. Most people with .22s have 3,000+ rounds in just that one calibre.

As far as the number of guns, again, not a huge number for someone who collects.

I do agree though that the kid was batsh*t insane for saying what he said and he definitely needed to be investigated.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: allisolm
Is it so wrong?

When I heard the basics of this story - young Asian male living with clueless parents in Florida, heavily involved with guns, banned from some internet sites for trading practices, mad about getting ripped off in a deal while using his father's accounts - my first thought was...

PAB!

Aside from knowing that PAB is older than 20 I ran through the same process. Which worried me because I genuinely like PAB. Just wish it was more like old times before he got so, erm, "excitable".

ZV

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

Thanks for the explanation, after reading that it does sound like a lot of sensational journalism.

But still, I don't believe that this guy wasn't planning, or at least considering, a shooting. He claims the guns are an investment ("if Hillary Clinton wins she'll put a ban on assault rifles, and these assault rifles will be worth more in value."). If he's just planning to resell them, why does he need any, let alone 5000+, rounds?

 

[covert24]

Originally posted by: Syringer
100 rounds in a feeding clip with bullets "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery

where do you even get those?! people are retarded....

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Why is it always the asians?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

Thanks for the explanation, after reading that it does sound like a lot of sensational journalism.

But still, I don't believe that this guy wasn't planning, or at least considering, a shooting. He claims the guns are an investment ("if Hillary Clinton wins she'll put a ban on assault rifles, and these assault rifles will be worth more in value."). If he's just planning to resell them, why does he need any, let alone 5000+, rounds?

Perhaps because he wasn't planning to sell all of them? I bought an extra AK-47, because a local store had them in stock and didn't raise their price after they got banned again. Still have it, though the AWB has sunset now. The rifle is still sitting in its box, unfired.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

The armor piercing bit is probably true. I have a hunch that they meant steel core ammo. And steel core ammo is not generally available to the public. Sporting goods stores sell hunting ammo, which is meant to expand when it hits game.

Steel core ammunition is available through the same channels I get my regular military surplus ammunition through. I can buy NATO issue 5.56mm, steel core with lead boattail through a mail-order catalogue or online.

If it had been steel core ammunition, I am sure the media would have hyped it. As it is, I suspect they are leading people to reach incorrect conclusions.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

The armor piercing bit is probably true. I have a hunch that they meant steel core ammo. And steel core ammo is not generally available to the public. Sporting goods stores sell hunting ammo, which is meant to expand when it hits game.

Steel core ammunition is available through the same channels I get my regular military surplus ammunition through. I can buy NATO issue 5.56mm, steel core with lead boattail through a mail-order catalogue or online.

Just in case there's an armor plated game animal coming after you. Gotta be careful.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: KB

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: TallBill
Having lots of guns + ammo doesn't really mean anything. You only need one gun to commit murder. I personally collect firearms so yes I have a lot and a lot of proper ammo. Even having a vest doesn't mean much. I have one as well that I got for free.

The error that he made is making threats. He will never be allowed to own any firearms legally again, and might end up in FPMITAP.

And you have armor-piercing rounds as well? Also, I thought civilians weren't supposed to have bullet-proof vests (maybe it depends by state/city).

I'm glad they're taking this threat serious. Also, the kid's parents sound like complete morons.

The guy is a dummy, no ifs ands or buts.


The rest of the article is just sensational journalism. Just about any rifle round from .223 and up can pierce armor. This includes typical deer hunting rounds like .30-30, .300, or .308. All normal AK rounds, 7.62X39mm, can pierce armor. Nobody has to go out of their way to buy these rounds. You can get them in sporting goods stores.

Also bullet proof vests have never been illegal. Civilians have always been able to get them; however it is illegal to use them during illegal activities.

And that whole "meant to take down aircraft or military machinery," is total BS. I remember reading some time ago in a news article that muzzleloaders that shoot a .50 caliber ball were considered anti-aircraft weapons because of the size of the ball. IMO you should actually be a shooter before you write articles about guns.

The armor piercing bit is probably true. I have a hunch that they meant steel core ammo. And steel core ammo is not generally available to the public. Sporting goods stores sell hunting ammo, which is meant to expand when it hits game.

Steel core ammunition is available through the same channels I get my regular military surplus ammunition through. I can buy NATO issue 5.56mm, steel core with lead boattail through a mail-order catalogue or online.

Just in case there's an armor plated game animal coming after you. Gotta be careful.

Kodiak Grizzlies might as well be armor plated, but a person would be retarded to take one on with a rifle chambered for 5.56mm.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: SZLiao214
Never actually planned? Thats a crap load of guns and ammo just for fun.

I have a lot more, and they are used just for fun.

I love how the media sensationalizes this type of thing.

"...more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition, some that could pierce armor..."

So... several bricks of .22 LR and a box of most types of rifle ammunition could fit that bill. I would bet that the AK-47s were semi-automatic, too. If they had been fully-automatic, they media would have jumped all over that fact. They seem to prefer to lead people to the wrong, but more sensational conclusion.

Agreed stupid media.... I think I have over 500 rounds of .22LR and maybe arround a couple hundred rounds of .223 -- OOooh noes... a couple hundred rounds of "armor piercing" rounds...

MEDIA FTL.

Actually, Detective Antonio Aquino said their were "armor piercing" rounds.. way to go and sensationalize the event assw*pe... Being a detective he should know better..

I have 1,000 rounds of .22LR plus 400 rounds of 7.92mm (8mm Mauser). I guess my neighbors should be worried. Oh, don't forget the 20 rounds of high powered (+P) deadly "exploding" HydroShok rounds I have loaded in my 9mm.

I actually was trying to find armor piercing rounds for my Mauser. There are German rounds from WWII with tungsten cores in them, but they are heinously expensive because they are so rare. The only time I saw them for sale, one round was something like $20. I wanted to shoot one of the thick, iron targets at the range where I went in Texas. I was a little leery about dropping that much money on one round and then potentially missing the target.