VA passes 1st bill banning health care mandate.

[PokerGuy]

Rock on VA, excellent. Every state needs to do this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35801644/ns/politics-more_politics/

Other states have this kind of legislation in the works, but VA is the first where it has passed, and the governor will sign it.

 

[theeedude]

Federal law > State law. Obviously noone in VA has a clue about that.

 

[JSt0rm]

*double

 

[JSt0rm]

good. The poor deserve nothing while the sons of the rich deserve everything. The poor should of chosen to be born wealthy if they didn't want to be poor.

I think in 10 years we will want healthcare reform but the boomers will again fuck us as they will be sipping on the government teet with medicare and they will stomp their feet and waaaaambulance when we try to pass some sense. Until then best make sure you don't take chances in life and prey your genetics and group health plan are good enough.

 

[her209]

Interesting move. Now I suspect states will start banning federal mandates they don't agree with, e.g. EPA, FCC, FDA, etc.

 

[theeedude]

BTW, what happens if there is federal law requiring insurers to cover everyone regardless of preexisting conditions, but no mandate to do so in VA? People of VA will simply wait till they get sick to get insurance, become losers for insurance companies, which will pull out of VA. Then what?

 

[her209]

BTW, what happens if there is federal law requiring insurers to cover everyone regardless of preexisting conditions, but no mandate to do so in VA? People of VA will simply wait till they get sick to get insurance, become losers for insurance companies, which will pull out of VA. Then what?

They will send their sick to neighboring states without the bans to get treated.

 

[MotF Bane]

Federal law > State law. Obviously noone in VA has a clue about that.

That's an inaccurate oversimplification.

 

[MovingTarget]

Heh, good luck with that one VA. :roll;

 

[theeedude]

That's an inaccurate oversimplification.

Not really. If there is a federal mandate, VA can pass whatever it wants.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

<Sigh>

I understand why things have come down to this, but I lament that needed health care reform was so badly understood and promoted.

A concrete example is that if someone exceeds by a few dollars the maximum amount allowed all benefits are cut. That has led to people abandoning good jobs in order to preserve their benefits. When there is need, it seems that making a sliding scale where one is obliged to kick in more in terms of copay or whatever but is able to work until eligible for benefits through the company are available.

There is so much common sense reform which ought to happen before things are expanded that it's tragic. We don't need to have regulations which encourage poverty, nor do we need to be so draconian in removing people at need.

I'm all for eliminating fraud, but when someone loses their benefit card they need to wait 4 to 6 weeks for another? None of us would have to do that with our drivers licenses. NY could have simply provided some funding to the DMV so with the proper documentation a lost card could be replaced just as easily as a driver's license in the exact same way.

Good goals ruined by poor planing doesn't help anyone. Having insurance you can't use is identical to not having it at all.

It's all pretty sad.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not really. If there is a federal mandate, VA can pass whatever it wants.

No because the states have rights under the Constitution, and it's not clear that the Feds can force people to buy insurance as part of it's Constitutional prerogative.

What this means is that it will go before the SCOTUS and they will decide who has the ultimate say.

 

[BigDH01]

BTW, what happens if there is federal law requiring insurers to cover everyone regardless of preexisting conditions, but no mandate to do so in VA? People of VA will simply wait till they get sick to get insurance, become losers for insurance companies, which will pull out of VA. Then what?

If state law were to take precedent, and the federal government wanted to expand coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, they would be forced to forget the mandates and take the money from everyone directly in the form of taxation. I would see no reason at that point to keep private health insurance companies. These states, through their actions, might be forcing an even greater degree of nationalization.

That is, if the federal government still pursues expanded coverage and state law managed to take precedent (unlikely).

 

[BoberFett]

Federal law > State law. Obviously noone in VA has a clue about that.

10th Amendment, but clearly you and the federal government don't have a clue about that.

How is the Constitution anyway? Does it feel good on your ass or does it leave lint?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Kool! I wish my state would ban federal income tax

 

[spidey07]

Kool! I wish my state would ban federal income tax

Income tax is constitutional. Healthcare mandate is not.

 

[shortylickens]

good. The poor deserve nothing while the sons of the rich deserve everything. The poor should of chosen to be born wealthy if they didn't want to be poor.

I think in 10 years we will want healthcare reform but the boomers will again fuck us as they will be sipping on the government teet with medicare and they will stomp their feet and waaaaambulance when we try to pass some sense. Until then best make sure you don't take chances in life and prey your genetics and group health plan are good enough.

I dunno what your experience is with Virginia, but its got a LOT of illegals and lazy welfare babies. Free handouts dont help people. Free handouts make a society weak if they leech long enough. Watching my tax dollars go away every year and not seeing a direct benefit really irritates me. I never got handed any opportunities in my life. I worked for everything I got. But because I'm an American white male no one ever congratulates me. I am always expected to earn my keep, as well as support everyone who has some kind of excuse for not taking care of themselves or their kids. I spend most of my day doing what I'm fucking SUPPOSED to do, while welfare parasites cry and whine about how I'm not giving them enough, fast enough.

For reference, I am not talking about Unemployment benefits. Mostly cuz I know you have to prove you are actively looking for work and even then there are limits to what you can collect.

 

[ElFenix]

this was kinda the point of the senate, to protect the interest of states as political entities and the states' ability to regulate where they have plenary powers. senate doesn't do that anymore, though.

Not really. If there is a federal mandate, VA can pass whatever it wants.

for a government that has no direct ability to regulate for health and safety, the federal government sure does spend a lot of time doing exactly that.

 

[Tab]

Income tax is constitutional. Healthcare mandate is not.

mebbe we will modify the consitution so it is

then wut?!!!

 

[JSt0rm]

I never got handed any opportunities in my life.

You won the lottery just being born here. Thats the reality. It has about 10% to do with your hard work 30% to your intelligence and the rest to the fact you were born here. As a white male myself this does not escape me.

 

[MotF Bane]

mebbe we will modify the consitution so it is

then wut?!!!

Why do you hate the Constitution?

 

[her209]

10th Amendment, but clearly you and the federal government don't have a clue about that.

How is the Constitution anyway? Does it feel good on your ass or does it leave lint?

I wonder, does the federal government have any Constitutional powers to mandate limits on malpractice lawsuits, mandate states to allow interstate purchasing of insurance policies, etc.?

 

[spidey07]

I wonder, does the federal government have any Constitutional powers to mandate limits on malpractice lawsuits, mandate states to allow interstate purchasing of insurance policies, etc.?

They'll use the bastardization of the commerce clause to achieve any of those.

Which funny enough the commerce clause should ALLOW the sale of polices across state lines.

 

[palehorse]

No because the states have rights under the Constitution, and it's not clear that the Feds can force people to buy insurance as part of it's Constitutional prerogative.

What this means is that it will go before the SCOTUS and they will decide who has the ultimate say.

This.

 

[Zebo]

Rank and file Dems are such fools.
a) this bill doesnt take effect for 4 years, I wonder why?
b) they missed insurance and pharma wrote it.
c) they are pushing a garbage bill through for political gain, certainly not HC, how can you not see that?
d) this bill will be tied up in courts forever going nowhere as intended see state action like above - intended to get it to court.
e) even it it somehow makes it out of courts it's absolute dogshit not covering those who still can't afford policy let alone co-pays and meds and will drive costs up for everyone else 300&#37; to cover new insurance company business model of covering "everyone" no matter what and of course healthy margins on top of that. enjoy 3x premiums. Mandated. Another private tax to the uber rich brought to you by the peoples party.

How they can support it is beyond me.