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V5 6000 officially cancelled

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I've heard rumors that the drivers that 3dfx had for the V5-6000 were simply amazing and brought out performance that wasn't at all relative to these equations.

I've also heard that 3dfx is tailoring these drivers to the 5500, and we should expect very significant performance increases? Is this true, Dave?


Wait, let me do my DaveB3D impression:

** puts on goofy hat **

"No comment."

😉
 
Finality, multichip solutions are fine in OEM systems, they used to put the v2 in their systems, compaq and micron both have the v5 as a build to order option, and supposedly apple might consider it. If the vsa-100 were produced at .18 micron and was still a dual board (kinda like rampage!) it would produce less heat than a single originaly geforce and how many computers have you seen with a geforce in them? They just aren't used in oem systems, since they dont have enough cards to supply retail and a large OEM using it exclusively. Which it is good they just went back to just making chips. And whoever said the v3 was a flop, and even the v4 and v5 is totally wrong. the v3 still sells well. The v4 and v5 with the newest driver set, are not quite as fast but within 10-15% of the gf2 mx and gf2 gts respectively.
 
I don't remember any OEMs offering Voodoo2s especially not gateway and Dell. I remember this because it was around the time I was buying a computer and I picked up an alienware because the V2 in sli mode was to be found no where else.

Yes the 0.18 micron Voodoo5 would produce less heat than the current gen, but they would bump up the clock speed raising heat levels once again. The V5 is a scorcher not nearly as bad as the V3 but still pretty hot. I seriously doubt we'll see a V5 @ 0.18 micron matching the heat levels of a 0.18 Micron GTS. FYI the GeForce1 was at 0.25 micron.


Its like saying yeah a V5 5500 @ 0.13 micron /166 Mhz runs cooler than a GeForce2. Of course it would. For one thing you don't have a proportional clock speed.

I have seen plenty of pre-built large OEM pcs with Nvidia product lines. I was referring to the Voodoo series as a flop with regards to OEMs. The Voodoo5 of course being worse off. OEM contracts are all that matter now. 3dfx realized this recently. They might actually be sucessful with OEM contracts next time around but for the time being its a major flop.

If you look at Dell/Gateway/Micron mid to high end systems most come stocked default with either a TNT2/GeForce and recently a Radeon. There isn't even an option for 3dfx cards.

Repeat after me retail sales do not matter 😛
 
"The biggest mistake that 3dfx ever did was buy STB"

as a consumer, I'd have to say, NO, because the quality of ALL 3dfx cards went up a fair bit because there was only one design, and therefor the reference drivers worked absolutely perfect.

I think they tried to do it too suddenly, they needed something to fallback on in case it didn't go too well. I still believe that it could have gone better, but oh well.. I can't change it!

as for if nVidia for some reason or another stopped developing the NV20 series cards, they WOULD be in alot of trouble.. we don't know how well their mobile chips will sell, we don't know how good their chipsets will be etc. sure their existing cards will still sell pretty good though.. the kicker is having to pay MS because of cancellation (it's in their contract). nVidia is a TINY company, and 200 Million is alot for them!

finally, I believe that the Voodoo 5 6000 could have it close to 60 FPS at 1600X1200X32 High quality and FSAA 2X on, simply because of those interesting drivers we heard about (and the higher clock speed).

but all this is for naught, as long as things don't get too bad in terms of card quality (3rd parties making them that is), I won't complain.

EDIT: as for Retail not mattering at all, I have to disagree.. this market is generally made of more knowledgeable people, who are the ones who influence the unknowing the most. therefor, we DO have an effect on what OEM's sell to the average person..

because of recent developements with 3dfx, I find that 3dfx is FAR from dead! true a flop with Rampage would hurt them badly (if u ask me), but I don't think it'll be that bad!

this internet thing allows any idiot to voice their opinions, and if enough people say it, it becomes the truth. which is what happened with all these nVidiots online.. not only do u guys drive me insane, you bring every newbie along with u, creating a massive cult! it's very annoying..
 
Give me a break, xtreme2k... I thought that even you knew that just because Hardware says it in a post, certainly doesn't make it fact.
 
I really dont believe a 6000 can be 4x faster than a 5500
due to the fact that the 5500 has 2 VSA100 running at 166Mhz while the 6000 as 4 VSAA running at 183MHz

with the OPTIMAL (never possible though) situation, the 6000 can be (4/2)*(183/166) = ~2.2x faster
it cannot be more than 2.2x faster than a 5500. It is simple as that.
but even this 2.2x is hard to achieve due to there are other limiting factors.

hardware suggesting it might be done at 16bit. Actually it make sense to me with the results I am looking at and the fact that the article NEVER mention it is running at 32bit color.
 
Looking at the current 5500 results

that result is impossible on a 6000

16-bit is ONE explaination
NO FSAA is another one
 
You are using current drivers to head your explaination. Who knows what drivers were used in the demostration.
 
dave

you KNOW it does work out at 65fps 1600/32bit 2xFSAA if u got any common sense

you dont tell other people are NVIDIOT, you are more of a 3dfx zealots than anyone in here
 
Wingznut PEZ

I cant believe you saying this sh!t
should i say you and dave are the same person just because of whatever you guys say?

if you seriously think me and him are the same person
well ignore this thread
ignore anything we talk about

and I will be doing the same to you
this will be the last message from me to you
I will be skipping your msg entirely from now on
regardless of who u think I am

u go freaking check my IP you stupid ar#shole
if you dont have the skill to do that I can give it to you
203.173.144.xxx

you go check Hardwares IP

dont give me sh!t that you are joking
i am not joking with you
 
xtreme,

I have a right to 1) be into 3dfx more than anyone and I should be but 2) I can also be very objective if I want to be and so I can call people stuff (I call people who are obsessed with 3dfx stuff things too.. those that can't support their claims.. I can support my claims so that somewhat takes me out of the "fan boy" position.)

Wingznut was obviously joking. And also, obviously he isn't me because he has been at this board a lot longer than I.

 
dave:
just a simple question!
as i can see you claim the v6000 pulls out q3 1600x1200x32 fsaax2 65fps
is this true?
 
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