Gigantopithecus
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That's just sick, and reminds me of when we looked at Communist Russia, and knew their days were lost.
Government, totally out of control.
-John
My company used to us USPS long ago but we stopped because the amount of lost packages we had for expensive items ended up costing us more. We save money by going FedEx and the service is better, quicker, and it can be tracked better easier.
Wow - the hate on "TEH UNIONZ" is so strong, it's making most of you fucking stupid.
You do realize the USPS has capacity set up to maintain and service all of America. So, what happens when most of America switches to utilizing the internet to send messages & pay bills? Anyone? Anyone at all?
Come on you communist fear mongering diggleberries; its the internet.
It's also the crash of the housing marketing in 2008. Did you know that in the billion dollar a year mailing services business MANY providers tanked - because the big banks stopped issuing junk mail offers on credit cards and loans?? People who were paid to print, insert and prep junk mail no longer had any work. So, they went out of business.
The same thing is happening to the USPS. Everyone is switching to TEH INTERNETZ. Yet, there is still hardware (trucks, machines) and real estate dedicated to meeting the demand of mailing for the USA.
For fucks sake guys.
Belgium has a socialized health care system though.
The 2 biggest cost for the USPS right now is gas/hauling mail 6 days a week over ALL of the US and Health care cost.
If the USPS did not have to haul mail to EVERYBODY in the US and no health care cost like Belgium it would also make a profit.
Pensions are bankrupting everything. It's a socialist institution.
GM, Federal, city, and state governments, educational systems, police and firefighter programs (including the ones in my city) are all being brought down by pension plans.
Workers should be taught to take money out of their paycheck to save and invest and not to rely on some program that is not even certain to exist when they retire. A company or organization cannot predict it's revenue/profit 30-40 years from now.
Trying to explain stuff like that to Republicans though it impossible. These are the same people that think that it's ok to change laws to not allow teachers to get what's guaranteed in their contracts, but that when the government had to bail out financial institutions that they shouldn't be allowed to set limits to the millions in executive compensation given out to the people who caused the collapse and received bailouts.
Thing is, I'm not joking, the EXACT same Fox News personalities said both thing about the execs and teachers that I stated.
Republicans only consider a contract legally binding if it screws the little guy.
the little guy?
EVERY tax payer is getting screwed because we can't fund outrageous public worker pensions.
Fuzzy accounting at its finest. Having socialized healthcare doesn't mean healthcare is suddenly free, it would just move the cost from the USPS category to the healthcare category. Suddenly we're running at a profit even though literally nothing has changed in terms of costBelgium has a socialized health care system though.
The 2 biggest cost for the USPS right now is gas/hauling mail 6 days a week over ALL of the US and Health care cost.
If the USPS did not have to haul mail to EVERYBODY in the US and no health care cost like Belgium it would also make a profit.
AGAIN since you missed it, Look up CSRS and FERS. CSRS ended about 30 years ago. CSRS = Big pension
The days of living off a good pension ended about 30 years ago for Fed employees. The biggest benifit I and other current FERS employees can get is our TSP (Fed 401k version) and take our health care into retirment.
Fuzzy accounting at its finest. Having socialized healthcare doesn't mean healthcare is suddenly free, it would just move the cost from the USPS category to the healthcare category. Suddenly we're running at a profit even though literally nothing has changed in terms of cost
As opposed to private companies who just don't have any healthcare for their lower end workers who just end up not having any health insurance/healthcare since they simply can't afford it. Essentially just hiding the fact that we have a huge issue crushing every sector of our country but the health insurance company part.
Trying to explain stuff like that to Republicans though it impossible. These are the same people that think that it's ok to change laws to not allow teachers to get what's guaranteed in their contracts, but that when the government had to bail out financial institutions that they shouldn't be allowed to set limits to the millions in executive compensation given out to the people who caused the collapse and received bailouts.
Thing is, I'm not joking, the EXACT same Fox News personalities said both thing about the execs and teachers that I stated.
Okay....we're talking about two different things here. Are you saying USPS employees no longer get pensions, or are you saying those pensions are significantly reduced?
Secondly, I'm saying that the pension problem is deep seated and virtually unsolvable - the only solution is to choose a date and telling the new hires that the concept of a pension is eliminated. The document I posted indicates that the USPS' retirement budget doubled over a period of ten years, and that it seems likely the post office cannot break even simply because of that budgetary shortfall, not to mention the drastic change in the landscape. I get the sense you think my argument is "retired feddies are living like fat cats off teh pensions wtfffff!!!1!" which is not my argument at all. No one is being unappreciative - if I had a pension that was promised me, you're damn right, you'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands. But the reality is the concept of a pension can't be sustained any longer.
This is why I feel like we need IBM Watson as president. He'll just cut, cut, cut. (joke, everyone relax. )
And since you're an inside guy, what's this all about? http://www.uniglobalunion.org/Apps/UNINews.nsf/0/71AF88859F75AC3BC125781F006273FC?Opendocument
Fuzzy accounting at its finest. Having socialized healthcare doesn't mean healthcare is suddenly free, it would just move the cost from the USPS category to the healthcare category. Suddenly we're running at a profit even though literally nothing has changed in terms of cost
As opposed to private companies who just don't have any healthcare for their lower end workers who just end up not having any health insurance/healthcare since they simply can't afford it. Essentially just hiding the fact that we have a huge issue crushing every sector of our country but the health insurance company part.
???Do you actually believe that most of the companies traded on the DOW, NASDAQ and their ilk don't provide healthcare coverage for their lower end employees? Really?
The places that have health benefits can weasel out of paying health benefits to low end employees by contracting work to other companies. Example: the people who clean my office are not employees of my company. They are contract cleaning services. Up here they use minimum wage employees at those places, but around California and Texas they probably use illegal immigrants who get below minimum wage.
Sounds fairly standard. Several of my past employers were non-union companies that did work for union companies.I don't know about now, but 4 years ago AT&T contracted a company to do company support to achieve this. Who contracted out another company to have an even lower tier. (Synchronos and Manpower). I was hired by Manpower to work for Synchronos to support AT&T. I could have opted into a health insurance plan... but it basicly covered nothing and what it did cover was only partially. If anything did happen to me I'd still be bankrupt even with the insurance.
the little guy?
EVERY tax payer is getting screwed because we can't fund outrageous public worker pensions.
What's interesting is that it only creates an advantage/disadvantage system because there's a way to opt out, which is what obamacare tried to fix (but did a shitty job of fixing).
If a company wants the best employees, it must offer health benefits, but then it costs a ton of money, blarrrggg!!
In the socialized countries, none of that applies because the healthcare burden is covered by insurance that everyone pays and has no way of escaping. The insurance is paid according to income in those countries whereas insurance is paid according to risk in the US.
???
Um, yes??
Walmart (largest employer in USA) = no healthcare
McDonalds (second largest employer in USA) = no healthcare
UPS (third largest employer in USA) = little to no healthcare
(more companies)
The places that have health benefits can weasel out of paying health benefits to low end employees by contracting work to other companies. Example: the people who clean my office are not employees of my company. They are contract cleaning services. Up here they use minimum wage employees at those places, but around California and Texas they probably use illegal immigrants who get below minimum wage.
But I thought UPS workers were union fatcats?