USING YOUR NEIGHBORS WIRELESS SETUP: What conseaquenceS?

[BlueIce]

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: Lifer

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

i thought WEP was Wired Equivalent Privacy.

Originally posted by: mmx
wep. No i told my friend just toto talk to them and pay $15 to them so u can share the connection. That way she has awesome speed for $15.

now THAT is most likely against their TOS and therefore highly illegal.

I would argue that the TOS is wrong. The neighbor pays for a service, they should be able to use it or resell it however they see fit.

That would be like buying a case of beer and not being able to share it with your friends.

It is definately not like beer.
I is like paying for a all-you-can-eat buffet, but you sell part of all-you-can-eat to 3 other people. Yeah right, you can "resell it however they see fit". Bwahahha. There is no way in hell any restaurant owner would allow this.

 

[Lifer]

Originally posted by: BlueIce

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: Lifer

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

i thought WEP was Wired Equivalent Privacy.

Originally posted by: mmx
wep. No i told my friend just toto talk to them and pay $15 to them so u can share the connection. That way she has awesome speed for $15.

now THAT is most likely against their TOS and therefore highly illegal.

I would argue that the TOS is wrong. The neighbor pays for a service, they should be able to use it or resell it however they see fit.

That would be like buying a case of beer and not being able to share it with your friends.

It is definately not like beer.
I is like paying for a all-you-can-eat buffet, but you sell part of all-you-can-eat to 3 other people. Yeah right, you can "resell it however they see fit". Bwahahha. There is no way in hell any restaurant owner would allow this.

good analogy, but then how would you explain the part where they allow routers and multiple PC's in the house

 

[Lifer]

Originally posted by: jjsole
If you can see their files does that mean they can see yours?

NTFS/share permissions. learn it and use it.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: BlueIce

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: Lifer

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

i thought WEP was Wired Equivalent Privacy.

Originally posted by: mmx
wep. No i told my friend just toto talk to them and pay $15 to them so u can share the connection. That way she has awesome speed for $15.

now THAT is most likely against their TOS and therefore highly illegal.

I would argue that the TOS is wrong. The neighbor pays for a service, they should be able to use it or resell it however they see fit.

That would be like buying a case of beer and not being able to share it with your friends.

It is definately not like beer.
I is like paying for a all-you-can-eat buffet, but you sell part of all-you-can-eat to 3 other people. Yeah right, you can "resell it however they see fit". Bwahahha. There is no way in hell any restaurant owner would allow this.

But, you're not paying for unlimited download bandwidth though. You are paying for a set speed 1.5 meg down and 378 upload or whatever.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Hopefully they would catch you and teach you to spell.

hahaha!!!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: spidey07
probably the same as stealing any other utility.

gas, electricity, cable, phone, etc.

it's different from "Stealing" other utilities. if you STEAL these other utilities the person you are stealing from will incur expenses. If you "steal" broadband, they won't incur expenses, so you can't say it's the SAME.

Even if they made it illegal, the penalties will probably be less than stealing the other utilities mentioned.

 

[SaigonK]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
There is no consequences as of yet. That is why war driving is legal. Is it ethical? No. Legal? Yes.

Wrong! War driving is not illegal, using someones connection IS illegal....

War driving is no less ethical than using a scanner to listen to the local police.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07
probably the same as stealing any other utility.

gas, electricity, cable, phone, etc.

it's different from "Stealing" other utilities. if you STEAL these other utilities the person you are stealing from will incur expenses. If you "steal" broadband, they won't incur expenses, so you can't say it's the SAME.

Even if they made it illegal, the penalties will probably be less than stealing the other utilities mentioned.

Accessing an open AP already is illegal. Scanning with netstumbler or whatever is legal but once you access the network, you have crossed the line.

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[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07
probably the same as stealing any other utility.

gas, electricity, cable, phone, etc.

it's different from "Stealing" other utilities. if you STEAL these other utilities the person you are stealing from will incur expenses. If you "steal" broadband, they won't incur expenses, so you can't say it's the SAME.

Even if they made it illegal, the penalties will probably be less than stealing the other utilities mentioned.

Accessing an open AP already is illegal. Scanning with netstumbler or whatever is legal but once you access the network, you have crossed the line.

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this is a very interesting legal question. IF i use someone elses wireless network and ONLY use it for Internet access and not to access their data, then the ONLY party being damaged is ACTUALLY the ISP. IF that is the case AND this person with the wireless network has it completely open, then couldn't you argue that the ISP should be suing the person with the unprotected wireless network?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mmx
She has cable modem BTW. she is not using their connection NOR am i. But i just wanted to point you guys that people JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT SECURITY.

That is obvious. All you have to do is a look at some network traffic right now. I bet we can still find code red traffic out there, never mind this blaster crap.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

And the wifi analog of the 3000lbs gorilla in your opinion is....?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

And how many of these lower-end WAPs support it?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

And the wifi analog of the 3000lbs gorilla in your opinion is....?

Still IPSEC.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

And how many of these lower-end WAPs support it?

Don't care. I try not to buy crap

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.[/quote]

IPSEC as in built into Win 2k?

i'm not sure what you mean?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

And how many of these lower-end WAPs support it?

Don't care. I try not to buy crap

and you've just destroyed your analogy.

You said AS EASY AND CHEAP, then you say I DON'T BUY CRAP.

again, my initial analogy stands. it is better to WEP than NOTHING AT ALL.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

and you've just destroyed your analogy.

You said AS EASY AND CHEAP, then you say I DON'T BUY CRAP.

IPSEC is easy and cheap. Unfortunately, it isn't included in these crappy home WAPs. There are plenty of FREE IPSEC implimentations.

again, my initial analogy stands. it is better to WEP than NOTHING AT ALL.

Maybe, but why do things half assed?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

IPSEC as in built into Win 2k?

i'm not sure what you mean?[/quote]

Has Windows progressed to the point that it has IPSEC? Wow. Time flies.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

and you've just destroyed your analogy.

You said AS EASY AND CHEAP, then you say I DON'T BUY CRAP.

IPSEC is easy and cheap. Unfortunately, it isn't included in these crappy home WAPs. There are plenty of FREE IPSEC implimentations.

again, my initial analogy stands. it is better to WEP than NOTHING AT ALL.

Maybe, but why do things half assed?

i posted a scenario earlier where the ISP could come after the home owner with an unsecured network. If i have WEP enabled then they are less likely to come after me because i at least have made an attempt at security.

btw do you have a link to some of those IPSec implementations you are referring to. i'd like to try a few out.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

how can u secure a wireless network? my cousin has one, and I think I should secure it for them, but the problem is I dont know how or what to use

WEP - Wireless Encryption Protocol. 128bit strength.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry that's funny!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hehe!

Oh. Heh.

I disagree. EVEN if WEP 128 bit is EASILY broken it still has to be broken.

I lock my car, is a car door EASY to pick? Yes but i still lock it and i think it is foolish for anyone to laugh at me for locking my car just because it is easy to pick.

But if a 3000lbs gorilla trained to guard your car at all times from anyone you do not bring around is as easy as a cheap POS lock, wouldn't you want to use it?

so what is the 3000 lb gorilla alternative to WEP?

IPSEC.

And how many of these lower-end WAPs support it?

Don't care. I try not to buy crap

and you've just destroyed your analogy.

You said AS EASY AND CHEAP, then you say I DON'T BUY CRAP.

again, my initial analogy stands. it is better to WEP than NOTHING AT ALL.

Certainly any measure is better than nothing at all. I have my WAP outside of another firewall, so even if they did crack the WEP, get a MAC from an ARP broadcast to spoof it for my MAC filtering, etc., then all they'd be able to do is leach my bandwidth unless they authenticated against my VPN using IPSec.

If someone really wants to crack your WEP and spoof one of your MACs, they probably want more than just bandwidth, because they could just as easily go right down the street and find an unsecured wlan.

my $0.02