Using an LCD TV as a Computer Monitor/Television

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
You know...we're getting way off track here, but I've always wondered about something. My HDTV tuner (PCI) also can output DVI (separately from the video card), at a maximum resolution of 1080i. I can connect this to my 2005FPW just fine, and the signal is displayed by my monitor OSD as "1920x1080 30Hz" (usually - sometimes it displays weird numbers for some resaon). In any case, in Full scaling mode, the signal always looks right... and looks noticeably better than 720p sometimes. If my tuner isn't deinterlacing the signal (since I don't think it's outputting a 1080p signal), then is my LCD?

hmm strange...i would guestimate that it isn't necessarily outputting 1080i, but sort of a quasi 1080p, because 1080i isn't 1080p @ 30hz, but rather 1080i @ 60hz in 2 fields (thus the interlaced monikor in it). it should look better than your 720p since it has more horizontal resolution.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777 Wow, you really are out for blood aren't you? Do you think it is possible that Westinghouse in some attempt to keep up with technology and sales intruduced new models with new features?!?! Say it isn't so!

have you taken your medicine today?

THE ONLY WESTINGHOUSE that AVS forums raves about is the 37" 1920x1080p monitor as seen at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=531808&page=53&pp=30 in all its glorious 53 pages. Or would you care to enlighten us on this "other" one that only has a VGA port you are insinuating?

That is the one I was referring too. It only has a PC VGA port, the DVI port is in fact HDMI, not DVI. I already went into the controversy of DVI Versus HDMI and them being the same technology or simlilar technology, but they are not so when in practice.

In fact, when looking at the spec sheet posted in the forum, it specifies the VGA port for PC-In. It is possible to plug in a DVI cable to HDMI (Duh) but it does introduce overscan. Again, you are going to try and accuse me and bait me. But if you start referring to HDMI as DVI, you are going to get flamed by everyone. So please, use the proper port names.

Also, the forums rules are no personal attacks, and you have made plenty on me. The only thing you have succeeded in doing is trying to point out flaws in what I have typed out. I can very easily scrutinize your text and find flaws, because everyone makes mistakes now and then. No one is perfect. But I do not want to do that and look like an a$$.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
That is the one I was referring too. It only has a PC VGA port, the DVI port is in fact HDMI, not DVI. I already went into the controversy of DVI Versus HDMI and them being the same technology or simlilar technology, but they are not so when in practice.

In fact, when looking at the spec sheet posted in the forum, it specifies the VGA port for PC-In. It is possible to plug in a DVI cable to HDMI (Duh) but it does introduce overscan. Again, you are going to try and accuse me and bait me. But if you start referring to HDMI as DVI, you are going to get flamed by everyone. So please, use the proper port names.

Also, the forums rules are no personal attacks, and you have made plenty on me.

And yet, the misinformation keeps pouring on:

Westinghouse 37W-1 Home Page

Composite In, S-Video In, 2 YPbPr, RGB/VGA/PC Video In, 2 DVI-HDCP Compliant* connectors, 5 Audio in (Dual RCA), Audio in (mini),

Where exactly is the HDMI port? As a former owner, I think I would know just a slight bit more than you on the set.

Personal attack...i wish!

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
That is the one I was referring too. It only has a PC VGA port, the DVI port is in fact HDMI, not DVI. I already went into the controversy of DVI Versus HDMI and them being the same technology or simlilar technology, but they are not so when in practice.

In fact, when looking at the spec sheet posted in the forum, it specifies the VGA port for PC-In. It is possible to plug in a DVI cable to HDMI (Duh) but it does introduce overscan. Again, you are going to try and accuse me and bait me. But if you start referring to HDMI as DVI, you are going to get flamed by everyone. So please, use the proper port names.

Also, the forums rules are no personal attacks, and you have made plenty on me.

And yet, the misinformation keeps pouring on:

Westinghouse 37W-1 Home Page

Composite In, S-Video In, 2 YPbPr, RGB/VGA/PC Video In, 2 DVI-HDCP Compliant* connectors, 5 Audio in (Dual RCA), Audio in (mini),

Where exactly is the HDMI port? As a former owner, I think I would know just a slight bit more than you on the set.

Personal attack...i wish!

You are right on that point, I made a mistake and was referring to HDCP as HDMI. No excuses here, I can admit when I have made a mistake on that. Even so, you are side stepping the issues here. For instance, when you said that I was wrong on the overscan and then admitted in the SAME thread that it was 4% overscan?!?!!? Then of course you changed the subject on me from the overscan to the how I was wrong about the ports totally ignoring the fact you were proven wrong, and you did it yourself within the same thread.

 

[Phluxed]

Being the original poster, I think I should shed some light on the TV I am still looking at.

Input Signal
Composite Input x 3
S-Video x 3
Component Video x 2
D-Sub 15 pin x 1
TV Tuner
DVI-D

I believe DVI-D is the DVI input, and the 6600GT OC'd I have has DVI outputs. I think there would be minimal overscanning with this. All this talk about 1280i, 760i confuses me when it comes to resolutions because I have never looked at them in those terms. From some previous posts, the full 1920 x 1080 WOULD be a plausible resolution on the TV from my computer, but I am still (with all the deviations) rather confused. I understand my video card won't last me 3 or 4 years, maybe 2 at the tops, running future games at their lowest possible setting. However, I believe a good 37" LCD TV will last me those 3 years. If I upgrade my video card I'll still have a good visual display. When the 360 and the eventual PS3 come out, I'll have a good visual display for those as well.

I'd also like to point out the 8ms response time.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
You are right on that point, I made a mistake and was referring to HDCP as HDMI. No excuses here, I can admit when I have made a mistake on that. Even so, you are side stepping the issues here. For instance, when you said that I was wrong on the overscan and then admitted in the SAME paragraph that it was 4% overscan?!?!!? Then of course you changed the subject on me from the overscan to the how I was wrong about the ports totally ignoring the fact you were proven wrong, and you did it yourself within the same paragraph.

there are other glaring mistakes, and i merely pointed them out. as for overscan, i've always said there is minimal overscan issues for units built for pc use, nothing more nothing less.

if you have further beef with me, i welcome you to take it to private messages. i would be happy to deliberate to you what i do professionally for a living and as a hobby, amongst other things. my sole intent from beginning was not to attack you, rather stop the misinformation and confusion.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
You are right on that point, I made a mistake and was referring to HDCP as HDMI. No excuses here, I can admit when I have made a mistake on that. Even so, you are side stepping the issues here. For instance, when you said that I was wrong on the overscan and then admitted in the SAME paragraph that it was 4% overscan?!?!!? Then of course you changed the subject on me from the overscan to the how I was wrong about the ports totally ignoring the fact you were proven wrong, and you did it yourself within the same paragraph.

there are other glaring mistakes, and i merely pointed them out. as for overscan, i've always said there is minimal overscan issues for units built for pc use, nothing more nothing less.

if you have further beef with me, i welcome you to take it to private messages. i would be happy to deliberate to you what i do professionally for a living and as a hobby, amongst other things. my sole intent from beginning was not to attack you, rather stop the misinformation and confusion.

I am glad you admitted that you have made many other glaring mistakes. Sure, lets take this to PM.

Edit ** I hope your profession isn't "writing"...

 

[Squeetard]

I am using the Norcent LT2720 27" LCD tv as my monitor and TV. I picked it up for $999 from future shop (canada and they finance It is a budget unit, 25ms response but I am quite pleased with it so far. I connect with vga cable from my 6800GT, this unit has no DVI, and run it at the native resolution of 1280x720. I use it to play games, surf the web and watch movies/tv. I highly recommend these as entry level monitors.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Phluxed
Being the original poster, I think I should shed some light on the TV I am still looking at.

Input Signal
Composite Input x 3
S-Video x 3
Component Video x 2
D-Sub 15 pin x 1
TV Tuner
DVI-D

I believe DVI-D is the DVI input, and the 6600GT OC'd I have has DVI outputs. I think there would be minimal overscanning with this. All this talk about 1280i, 760i confuses me when it comes to resolutions because I have never looked at them in those terms. From some previous posts, the full 1920 x 1080 WOULD be a plausible resolution on the TV from my computer, but I am still (with all the deviations) rather confused. I understand my video card won't last me 3 or 4 years, maybe 2 at the tops, running future games at their lowest possible setting. However, I believe a good 37" LCD TV will last me those 3 years. If I upgrade my video card I'll still have a good visual display. When the 360 and the eventual PS3 come out, I'll have a good visual display for those as well.

DVD- Digital input should yield you minimal overscan. But even with some, you can compensate it now since the new Forceware drivers are a lot more friendly in that term. With your 1920x1080 LCD, you should be future proof for HD-DVD/BLURAY, XBOX360, PS3, HDTV for a while, since those will either push 1080i or 1080p (ATSC nomenclature for over the air horizontal display resolutions). The only thing I would caution you, as I did from the beginning, is the display may not be *true 1080p, but rather a 1376x768 derivative, because of the set's electronic input componentry to the panel itself.
So although your panel supports 1920x1080, you would only be able to use it at 1376x768 resolution. For some it is a concern, for others it doesn't matter.

 

[Phluxed]

I can see it in a positive light having to have the native resolution down a little lower, seeing as the text will be larger and easier to read.

I'm certainly getting closer to understanding all of this and closer to making my purchase. Thank you all for your help thus far.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Phluxed
I can see it in a positive light having to have the native resolution down a little lower, seeing as the text will be larger and easier to read.

I'm certainly getting closer to understanding all of this and closer to making my purchase. Thank you all for your help thus far.

i wouldn't worry about text or icons, those can be easily manipulated via system font / icon settings. overall picture quality is what you should worry about. Im sure in the end, you'll also want to display your nice tech-de-force HDTV LCDTV in your living room for all to see!

 

[Phluxed]

That is a valid point. However, seeing as I am still living at home with my mother, and going to school close to here, the television is for my room. We have a 52" tv for our living room, it's kinda old, but its surviving. I still can't see that large of a difference between 1920x1080 and 1376x760 or whatever. I run my monitor at 1280x1024 right now because of the refresh rate. I personally am beginning to want this TV more than I thought I would after posting here. I figured it would be torn down. A lower resolution would also be easier for my video card to output during games.

 

[Phluxed]

Alright guys, this is sort of a bump, but at the same time an update. I've pretty much decided to go with the MDG (BENQ base model) television. It seems like it will fit all my needs, and with all your help I think I understand all the problems and possible solutions I'll face.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Phluxed
Alright guys, this is sort of a bump, but at the same time an update. I've pretty much decided to go with the MDG (BENQ base model) television. It seems like it will fit all my needs, and with all your help I think I understand all the problems and possible solutions I'll face.

Good luck! I hope everything works out for you!

 

[Phluxed]

Me too! It's a big purchase for those of us on a budget. Haha. My biggest fear and my reason for posting here is so my chance of messing up is as slim as possible.

 

[Phluxed]

Ok guys, update. I haven't ordered it and the financing isn't an issue.. does anyone have any overall recommendations of places to get LCD TV's in Canada? I can't find that Westinghouse or Spectre in Canada anywhere.

 

[Phluxed]

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/...tails.asp?EdpNo=1106213&Tab=1&NoMapp=0

What do you all think of this? I know it's not a brand name exactly.. but the customer reviews say its rather good. Would this work well as an LCD monitor? It has all the necessary inputs.

 

[Phluxed]

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