USC stripped of '04 championship

[Patranus]

THe BCS let Ohio State play in a bowl with how many ineligible players?

The BCS and NCAA is a joke.

 

[TheVrolok]

THe BCS let Ohio State play in a bowl with how many ineligible players?

The BCS and NCAA is a joke.

If there is any integrity at all when it comes to enforcement of rules, it seems like the USC penalties are a walk in the park for what OSU should get.

 

[Drako]

If there is any integrity at all when it comes to enforcement of rules, it seems like the USC penalties are a walk in the park for what OSU should get.

At least OSU self reported. USC kept denying even after the court case.

 

[TheVrolok]

At least OSU self reported. USC kept denying even after the court case.

Self-reported ... after covering things up for a decade?

 

[Drako]

Self-reported ... after covering things up for a decade?

LOL, you must be a Michigan guy. :hmm:

Go back to MGoBlog 🙂

 

[TheVrolok]

LOL, you must be a Michigan guy. :hmm:

Go back to MGoBlog 🙂

Nope, not at all. I don't see why that would matter, though. I actually have nothing against OSU, and am a fan of all the Big 10 teams; but Tressel lied/covered things up for the greater part of a decade. I suppose as long as the University itself wasn't aware of the infractions it's not as bad, but I would find that somewhat hard to believe. I'd rather be a "less competitive" conference than pull shit like that. The part the riles me up the most is that Tressel always played the Christian values and integrity angle (Hell, even wrote a book about it), when he was living quite the opposite. I feel bad for all the talented athletes that played under him on those good teams that didn't take money/benefits and now get lumped in to that mottled history of OSU's last decade.

 

[zinfamous]

Ya, it's a tough position for the NCAA too. I mean everyone involved (coach, Bush, AD, etc.) basically ran away to greener pastures once things started getting dicey. Now you punish a bunch of kids/coaches who probably weren't even in high school when this thing happened by saying they can't go to bowl games for 2 years.

Besides, who gives a crap if you take a championship away from 7 years ago??

All of these schools are crooked anyway. I mean you don't think these kids are getting free cars, meals, clothes, tattoos, etc. from boosters?

No--you are actually punishing the school. With sanctions and loss of future championship and bowl appearances comes a shit load of lost revenue.

No NCAA punishment would have really punished the individuals--they would all either find new jobs or be off to the pros anyway. NCAA can't so effectively punish individuals. This is meant to punish the program, and the school, and it's the only power that the NCAA has.

 

[hdeck]

as much as I dislike USC, vacating national titles is so dumb. everyone knows they won the title that year. everyone will remember them as the champion.

 

[Gibsons]

No--you are actually punishing the school. With sanctions and loss of future championship and bowl appearances comes a shit load of lost revenue.

No NCAA punishment would have really punished the individuals--they would all either find new jobs or be off to the pros anyway. NCAA can't so effectively punish individuals. This is meant to punish the program, and the school, and it's the only power that the NCAA has.

They can give Tressel the "show cause" penalty. That would relegate him to naia or... arena league? I don't see him getting any kind of NFL gig, unless it's something like a consultant.

 

[lupi]

meaningless unless they award it to another.

 

[Ackmed]

as much as I dislike USC, vacating national titles is so dumb. everyone knows they won the title that year. everyone will remember them as the champion.

Except the fact that Auburn was 13-0 that year. Any team that goes thru the best, and hardest conference (SEC) undefeated should be guaranteed a spot in the title game. I mean... how many has the SEC won now? Since the BCS, they havent lost. Its pretty obvious. So what I remember was Auburn getting screwed, and believe that they were the best.

Self-reported ... after covering things up for a decade?

That tattoo were just last year.. thats not a decade. But yes, Ohio St players shouldnt have played either.

 

[TheVrolok]

That tattoo were just last year.. thats not a decade. But yes, Ohio St players shouldnt have played either.

SI has evidence that it has been going on since at least '02

 

[KentState]

Probably every championship team since the BCS formed could have their title vacated. It seems that every year the champion has some controversy surrounding them. Whether it be Auburn and Newton, Alabama and Ingrim or USC and Reggie.

 

[TraumaRN]

If I were an OSU fan I'd be saying oh shit right now. Yeah I'm a Michigan fan, but I believe OSU will be joining USC with scholarship losses, vacated seasons and post season bans.

Hell the president of OSU basically admitted the compliance office wasn't doing their job today. The NCAA could see that as loss of institutional control. No good for them.

As far as USC...I think this was coming for a long time, not surprised by the announcement.

 

[Gibsons]

At least OSU self reported. USC kept denying even after the court case.

The self reporting that OSU did might look more like a coverup if the SI allegations are true.

 

[OCGuy]

as much as I dislike USC, vacating national titles is so dumb. everyone knows they won the title that year. everyone will remember them as the champion.

Pretty much this.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Except the fact that Auburn was 13-0 that year.

This.

 

[dbk]

Give it to Auburn...

 

[Nik]

Of course the meatheads aren't, but fuck 'em, that's their fault. I don't see a reason to pay them just because they're going to waste the massive benefits already afforded to them.

I'm siding with the authorities on this one. You aren't an amature if you're being paid.

Of course, assholes will use loopholes and give goods/services in place of money to compensate and woo their "amature" players.

Yet another reason to ignore college sports.

 

[zinfamous]

They can give Tressel the "show cause" penalty. That would relegate him to naia or... arena league? I don't see him getting any kind of NFL gig, unless it's something like a consultant.

can the NCAA actually do this, though? They have (or at least should have) no sway over him if he chooses to head to the professional league.

Obviously, this will effect his ability to seek employment anywhere, but I don't see anything that the NCAA can directly do to prevent him from working outside of the NCAA.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

pay the fucking kids

IIRC Title IX prevents this. Or at least makes it fundamentaly impossible as you would have to pay every student athelete the same amount. You couldn't just pay the Football/Basketball/Revenue sport atheletes. You'd also have to pay the women on the biathalon team.

 

[TraumaRN]

can the NCAA actually do this, though? They have (or at least should have) no sway over him if he chooses to head to the professional league.

Obviously, this will effect his ability to seek employment anywhere, but I don't see anything that the NCAA can directly do to prevent him from working outside of the NCAA.

They can't stop him from working a professional league but he's a dead man walking for anything NCAA related. I can't think of any NCAA team that would approach him with a 100 foot cattle prod.

 

[Gibsons]

can the NCAA actually do this, though? They have (or at least should have) no sway over him if he chooses to head to the professional league.

Obviously, this will effect his ability to seek employment anywhere, but I don't see anything that the NCAA can directly do to prevent him from working outside of the NCAA.

I think the way that it works is that any ncaa institution that hires him has to immediately report to the infractions committee, then they decide what to do. That's probably enough to stop anyone from touching him. Obviously they can't do anything about him getting a job outside the ncaa, whether it's the nfl or whatever.

 

[zinfamous]

I think the way that it works is that any ncaa institution that hires him has to immediately report to the infractions committee, then they decide what to do. That's probably enough to stop anyone from touching him. Obviously they can't do anything about him getting a job outside the ncaa, whether it's the nfl or whatever.

yeah, the way I see it--dude has essentially punished himself. and whether or not he deserves more--financially or whatever, the NCAA has no recourse to directly punish the individuals. Their punishment has to be targeted at the University, the Admins that let this kind of thing happen.

I think the University and the football program specifically are going to receive the brunt of the payback in these various scandals (USC and OSU), as it should be, imo.

Is the University and majority of admins directly responsible for this? no, certainly not. But this is why hiring and ethics is so goddamn important.

If anyone thinks character valuation during the hiring process isn't important....just ask Ulysses S Grant. 😉

 

[JasonCoder]

It's the whole duality of man thing, yo. We like our wives to be conservative in public but whores in the bedroom. Everybody knows this shit goes down. There's these unwritten rules that you can't be flashy or foolish. You fuck up and get your dirty laundry exposed by the NCAA compliance board (two guys at yahoo sports and SI), you have to pay.

Capiche?