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USC stripped of '04 championship

MotionMan

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http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6632190

Monday, June 6, 2011
USC stripped of '04 championship
By Ted Miller
ESPN.com

The BCS stripped USC of its 2004 national title Monday.
The decision was not unexpected but required the NCAA's May 26 rejection of USC's appeal of sanctions stemming from the Reggie Bush investigation to move forward.

The BCS ruling vacated the results of the 2005 Orange Bowl -- the national title game for 2004 -- as well as the Trojans participation in the 2006 Rose Bowl, in which USC lost to Texas, 41-38, in the championship game.

As a result of the BCS's Presidential Oversight Committee ruling, there will be no BCS national champion in the record book for the 2004-05 season.

"The BCS arrangement crowns a national champion, and the BCS games are showcase events for postseason football," BCS executive director Bill Hancock said in a statement. "One of the best ways of ensuring that they remain so is for us to foster full compliance with NCAA rules. Accordingly, in keeping with the NCAA's recent action, USC's appearances are being vacated.

"This action reflects the scope of the BCS arrangement and is consistent with the NCAA's approach when it subsequently discovers infractions by institutions whose teams have played in NCAA championship events."

The BCS and NCAA are not formally affiliated, but the BCS reacted to the NCAA finding that Bush was ineligible during the 2004 season because he received extra benefits from a would-be sports marketer.

"This was not an unexpected outcome," USC athletic director Pat Haden said. "We will comply with all requirements mandated by the result of this BCS vote."

One of Haden's first moves when he took over as AD last year was to give back the school's copy of the Heisman Trophy that Bush won in 2005. Bush later relinquished his own Heisman and the trust in charge of handing out the award announced the '05 winner would be left vacant.

The BCS waited until USC appealed the NCAA sanctions, which included a two-year ban from postseason play and a loss of 30 scholarships over three seasons, to make a decision about its championship. The NCAA denied USC's appeal on May 26.

At that point, it was just a matter of time before the Trojans' 55-19 victory against Oklahoma in the 2005 Orange Bowl was wiped from the record books.

The dominant performance capped a perfect season by USC and left it ranked at the top of both the AP and coaches' polls. Auburn and Utah also finished that season undefeated.

The Trojans will not have to relinquish The Associated Press national championship.

Ted Miller covers the Pac-10 for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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MotionMan
 
Meanwhile Reggie Bush is counting his cash and banging a supermodel.....

I can't think of anything the NCAA does that makes sense.
 
Hmm, wonder why $EC is trying to get pay to play passed. Trying to legalize what they're already doing. NCAA too chicken shit to look their way. Half of them would get the SMU death penalty.
 
it's college ball

nobody gives a shit about college ball

well, only the dumb ones

😉
 
I don't see how receiving money invalidates any accomplishments. Roids are one thing, but it's not like someone's skill suddenly increases with a check.
 
OCGuy said:
Meanwhile Reggie Bush is counting his cash and banging a supermodel.....

I can't think of anything the NCAA does that makes sense.
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Ya, it's a tough position for the NCAA too. I mean everyone involved (coach, Bush, AD, etc.) basically ran away to greener pastures once things started getting dicey. Now you punish a bunch of kids/coaches who probably weren't even in high school when this thing happened by saying they can't go to bowl games for 2 years.

Besides, who gives a crap if you take a championship away from 7 years ago??

All of these schools are crooked anyway. I mean you don't think these kids are getting free cars, meals, clothes, tattoos, etc. from boosters?
 
TheNinja said:
Ya, it's a tough position for the NCAA too. I mean everyone involved (coach, Bush, AD, etc.) basically ran away to greener pastures once things started getting dicey. Now you punish a bunch of kids/coaches who probably weren't even in high school when this thing happened by saying they can't go to bowl games for 2 years.

Besides, who gives a crap if you take a championship away from 7 years ago??

All of these schools are crooked anyway. I mean you don't think these kids are getting free cars, meals, clothes, tattoos, etc. from boosters?
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I see no problem with it, there just needs to be standards set.

These kids make the big schools millions, and they get a degree and some housing in return? They are legal adults and should get wages. The little schools cry and say it wouldnt be fair, because they don't make the big $$$ in TV contracts to pay, but so what? Life isnt fair. People with extraordinary talent deserve to be paid, if they are making someone else money.
 
JujuFish said:
I don't see how receiving money invalidates any accomplishments. Roids are one thing, but it's not like someone's skill suddenly increases with a check.
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Receiving money affects the recruiting game. Some schools have been getting away with paying the best players in the country to come to their school for a long time. NCAA has been turning a blind eye. It invalidates lots of things because it no longer is on a level-ish playing field at that point.
 
OCGuy said:
I see no problem with it, there just needs to be standards set.

These kids make the big schools millions, and they get a degree and some housing in return? They are legal adults and should get wages. The little schools cry and say it wouldnt be fair, because they don't make the big $$$ in TV contracts to pay, but so what? Life isnt fair. People with extraordinary talent deserve to be paid, if they are making someone else money.
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What I don't understand is why a degree and housing/on campus meals isn't enough compensation?
 
JujuFish said:
I don't see how receiving money invalidates any accomplishments. Roids are one thing, but it's not like someone's skill suddenly increases with a check.
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Exactly. Being ruled ineligible for past events, based on non-performance enhancing actions, is retarded.

I understand that he may have went to USC because of the USC perks (money), but he still won the title.

The argument against these scandals is that USC/OSU is good because they "pay" players. The players wouldn't have gone there if they didn't get the extra perks.
Thus, USC/OSU is good because they pay players.
Even if the school doesn't directly pay them, the perks from boosters is considered as such.
 
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TheVrolok said:
What I don't understand is why a degree and housing/on campus meals isn't enough compensation?
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Oh its great for the kids on the track team or on a music scholarship...they end up with much more that they are worth to the school.

But Div I football stars at schools with big TV contracts? Ha.
 
GlacierFreeze said:
Receiving money affects the recruiting game. Some schools have been getting away with paying the best players in the country to come to their school for a long time. NCAA has been turning a blind eye. It invalidates lots of things because it no longer is on a level-ish playing field at that point.
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That is the frustrating thing. Reggie was taking money from an agent to leave USC to play in the NFL. USC did not benefit from money being given to Reggie.

However on the other hand if kids see that USC players are given exposure to agents and that they can get money from them while they are in college then you can raise the argument that there is an unfair advantage.

Kind of sucks for the rest of that national championship team. Everyone else suffers because of one greedy idiot.
 
JujuFish said:
I don't see how receiving money invalidates any accomplishments. Roids are one thing, but it's not like someone's skill suddenly increases with a check.
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College is amature sports. If you're paid or similarly compensated for what you do, you're a professional.

These are the rules. If you can't follow the rules of the sport, you shouldn't be eligible to play.
 
OCGuy said:
Oh its great for the kids on the track team or on a music scholarship...they end up with much more that they are worth to the school.

But Div I football stars at schools with big TV contracts? Ha.
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Why are the students entitled to the profits the schools make? Simply by virtue of attending? What about research professors at universities who make big discoveries that are then owned by the university (as most schools own any intellectual property discovered by their faculty)? Should they get paid out as well? Many of these D1 football athletes are getting a shot at an education that they would otherwise not be eligible for, or afford. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
 
TheVrolok said:
Why are the students entitled to the profits the schools make? Simply by virtue of attending? What about research professors at universities who make big discoveries that are then owned by the university (as most schools own any intellectual property discovered by their faculty)? Should they get paid out as well? Many of these D1 football athletes are getting a shot at an education that they would otherwise not be eligible for, or afford. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Do you really think the division 1 football meatheads are going to go on to invent something significant in their life? Hell no. They're going to play sports and burn out to leech on society just like the rest of, well, society.
 
TheVrolok said:
Many of these D1 football athletes are getting a shot at an education that they would otherwise not be eligible for, or afford. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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This...

There is no way that you could pay athletes and still have a fair playing field. Plus with title 9 you would probably have a major problem.
 
Nik said:
Do you really think the division 1 football meatheads are going to go on to invent something significant in their life? Hell no. They're going to play sports and burn out to leech on society just like the rest of, well, society.
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Of course the meatheads aren't, but fuck 'em, that's their fault. I don't see a reason to pay them just because they're going to waste the massive benefits already afforded to them.
 
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No more one-peat now. 🙂

As much as I hate USC, as much as I hate Reggie Push, I'm *almost* at the point where I feel sorry for them.
 
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