US youngsters are too fat to fight, warn generals

[nageov3t]

I hear Winston Churchill is famous for his lack of willpower and inability to rise above his animalistic nature.

 

[Infohawk]

I hear Winston Churchill is famous for his lack of willpower and inability to rise above his animalistic nature.

Churchill was not that tall so you probably think he was fatter than he was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Churchhill_03.jpg

 

[blackangst1]

Um, I eat like an Ethiopian with an unlimited giftcard McDonald's (not that I eat there except for yummy sausage breakfast burritos), and I'm MAYBE 5lbs overweight (probably from my age at this point).

The problem ISN'T that bad stuff is out there, the problem is mommy couldn't tell them NO and to GTFO and play outside. The problem ISN'T that they have access to things that could make them gain weight. The problem is THEM and crappy parenting. This is what we get when we aren't allowed to tell kids NO and let everyone always win every single time.

A culture of fatties who think they are better than sliced (and heavily buttered) bread.

Im not disagreeing with your assesment of lack of excercise, but dont discount the corn industry. Heres a good start if youre interested: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4439943&page=1

If you want specific details find the film in my sig "Food Inc."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Being overly-emotional (making personal attacks when faced with opinions you don't like) is another sign of lack of self-control.

Since you were generalizing, I just thought I'd help out. One good turn deserves another.

Seriously, we were designed to live in a famine world. A substantial portion of the population is genetically designed to add weight in good times for that purpose. It was a survival strategy that worked in a world had limited access to calories.

That is not the case here in the US. We not only are surrounded by food many are programmed to eat, but unlike most societies, we are like pigs herded to the feeding pen where we just sit all day. Then we don't sleep well because that's "weak" like eating.

You can turn this into a moral crisis if you wish, but the behavioral, cultural and medical aspects are well understood.

 

[nageov3t]

what do you think will happen first -- physical requirements are lowered so that more fattiest can serve to fill enlistment quotas, or physically fit gays are allowed to serve openly?

 

[Infohawk]

what do you think will happen first -- physical requirements are lowered so that more fattiest can serve to fill enlistment quotas, or physically fit gays are allowed to serve openly?

Option C) More drones and robot-controlled weapons with operators drinking milkshakes.

 

[William Gaatjes]

it's like natural for an animal to gorge itself.

modern society has combined two major things that are proving to be deadly -- dramatically increased availability to simple carbohydrates that are both inexpensive and easy to eat, and sedentary lifestyles.

most of our grandparents didn't spend 45 hours a week sitting in one place in the office followed by going home and sitting in one place on the couch or at the computer for another 3-4 hours/day.

what I'd be really curious to look at would be the modern countries where obesity doesn't seem to be as much of an issue (compare France against it's fatty neighbors in England and Germany... is it just a matter of French culture valuing physical appearance more?)

Processed foods fatten you up.
Even in salty chips there is sugar to be found.
The French cuisine is not for me , but it is healthier when comparing with the German and British kitchen. There lies the problem. Potatoes, animals fats and sugar. A good way to gain weight fast and difficult to loose.

Where is fat stored :
A difference is organ fat and skin fat. Organ fat is lethal when compared to skin fat.

And a deficit in sleep is indeed another perfect way to gain weight. Feel tired ? Eat a little bit and you feel energetic... But it does have it's downsides.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Put amphetamine in the water. Problem solved.

next month we'll talk about trying to solve the insomnia epidemic.

The exact same way to get ferocious soldiers as the Germans did in WW2.

Feed your soldiers amphetamine and you got your robot army. Drill them to kill as in the past some african tribes did with their warriors after feeding them some stimulant. Perfect rutheless killers. You will need a lot of bullets to put them down.

http://www.amphetamines.com/nazi.html

Many of the Wehrmacht's soldiers were high on Pervitin when they went into battle, especially against Poland and France -- in a Blitzkrieg fueled by speed. The German military was supplied with millions of methamphetamine tablets during the first half of 1940. The drugs were part of a plan to help pilots, sailors and infantry troops become capable of superhuman performance. The military leadership liberally dispensed such stimulants, but also alcohol and opiates, as long as it believed drugging and intoxicating troops could help it achieve victory over the Allies. But the Nazis were less than diligent in monitoring side-effects like drug addiction and a decline in moral standards.

After it was first introduced into the market in 1938, Pervitin, a methamphetamine drug newly developed by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company, quickly became a top seller among the German civilian population. According to a report in the Klinische Wochenschrift ("Clinical Weekly"), the supposed wonder drug was brought to the attention of Otto Ranke, a military doctor and director of the Institute for General and Defense Physiology at Berlin's Academy of Military Medicine. The effects of amphetamines are similar to those of the adrenaline produced by the body, triggering a heightened state of alert. In most people, the substance increases self-confidence, concentration and the willingness to take risks, while at the same time reducing sensitivity to pain, hunger and thirst, as well as reducing the need for sleep. In September 1939, Ranke tested the drug on 90 university students, and concluded that Pervitin could help the Wehrmacht win the war. At first Pervitin was tested on military drivers who participated in the invasion of Poland. Then, according to criminologist Wolf Kemper, it was "unscrupulously distributed to troops

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Anyone who knows the shit that's served in school lunch rooms in this country knows a big part of why this is. Another part is many people don't know how to eat a healthy diet in this country even if they tried. People eat themselves sick in this country largely by a well maintained ignorance about what they're actually eating.

Worth a watch:
http://www.hulu.com/jamie-olivers-food-revolution

 

[William Gaatjes]

Anyone who knows the shit that's served in school lunch rooms in this country knows a big part of why this is. Another part is many people don't know how to eat a healthy diet in this country even if they tried. People eat themselves sick in this country largely by a well maintained ignorance about what they're actually eating.

Worth a watch:
http://www.hulu.com/jamie-olivers-food-revolution

Indeed, but the US is not alone. All western countries suffer from people who try to alienate the use of simple things as rice, herbs, eggs, spices and vegetables. Cooking food is actually a lot of fun. But it also takes time. And time is often short for working people. But then again you can cook healthy food and have enough for 2 days a row.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Indeed, but the US is not alone. All western countries suffer from people who try to alienate the use of simple things as rice, herbs, eggs, spices and vegetables. Cooking food is actually a lot of fun. But it also takes time. And time is often short for working people. But then again you can cook healthy food and have enough for 2 days a row.

It's interesting you mention cooking. Time is so short for some people that they do not know how to cook even basic dishes. I've seen people who do not know how to properly hold a knife.

It's like watching the mentally handicapped performing a moderately complex task.

A friend of mine is married to a hispanic. She uses recipes handed down for generations. She and her female friends/relatives have one great lament, and that is the younger generation refuses to continue cooking. A whole part of their culture gone in a generation.

 

[spittledip]

I say it is pretty much all of the above- most everything everyone has said is a factor... except the whole "carbs" thing. You need carbs to live. It is better to be more specific and say people are intaking more calories than they are burning. The whole carbs thing is a marketing gimmick to sell books and videos for unscrupulous doctors and dietitians.

 

[spittledip]

Indeed, but the US is not alone. All western countries suffer from people who try to alienate the use of simple things as rice, herbs, eggs, spices and vegetables. Cooking food is actually a lot of fun. But it also takes time. And time is often short for working people. But then again you can cook healthy food and have enough for 2 days a row.

I do the majority of the cooking for my family, and the meals I make last 4 or 5 meals If the food tastes good one doesn't mind the leftovers. Of course it is just me and my wife.

I live in the south, and it seems like most everyone goes out to eat or gets prepackaged meals rather than cook. A guy I work with used to eat out lunch every day and gained 30 pounds doing it. He stopped eating out every day and he lost most of the weight.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I live in the south, and it seems like most everyone goes out to eat or gets prepackaged meals rather than cook.

I was born in the South and went back there every summer when I was a kid. Anyone who ate out was irresponsible, and anyone who made TV dinners for their family was a bad parent.

Now I have inlaws in the Dallas area, and their kitchen never gets dirty. They eat almost every meal out.

I guess times have changed.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It's interesting you mention cooking. Time is so short for some people that they do not know how to cook even basic dishes. I've seen people who do not know how to properly hold a knife.

It's like watching the mentally handicapped performing a moderately complex task.

A friend of mine is married to a hispanic. She uses recipes handed down for generations. She and her female friends/relatives have one great lament, and that is the younger generation refuses to continue cooking. A whole part of their culture gone in a generation.

I started to cook because my digestive system was failing on me.
Every time i eat processed foods for more then a day in a row i get stomach problems, toilet problems, starting to feel sick and weakened. Sleep bad and feel generally fatigued every day and have more trouble invoking and keeping a positive attitude. Not to mention the large amounts of acne. After i started to make use of fresh foods, all of that was gone. I do not know what is put in processed foods but my body really wants to lay down and die when eating those to much. I occasionally treat myself to some jummie stuff like kids stuff (icecream and cookies) but i must keep it limited.

I am actually learning even today through trial and error ever since i first started to cook. The first few times everybody makes horrible mistakes( and horrbile tastes), myself included. Then i started to think about sour and sweat and salty and spicey. Then it is just a matter of tasting and predicting how different tastes combine. But i do prefer to make my food in such a way i can still taste all ingredients. If some ingredient is to much present, i write down to use less of that ingredient. Takes time but is actually fun and a good way to take my mind of things. I think this works for everybody. The simple things in life are the ones that make life most enjoyable.

 

[Lemon law]

We forget about the Vietnam war and the draft.

As many rational and pacifistic families were dead set against their sons being used as Canon fodder by the mad generalisimo's in LBJ and Nixon. Better fat than dead.

Shall that be the next pacifistic world credo, eat eat eat for world peace.

What if the all the mad war mongering generals called for a war and no one bothered to show up? Would gasp, the mad war mongering generals actually have to fight it out with their opposite mad war mongering generals, kinda tends to take the fun of it, if they can't send someone else to die for their own delusions and they actually have to risk their silly ass lives for a damn change.

 

[spittledip]

I was born in the South and went back there every summer when I was a kid. Anyone who ate out was irresponsible, and anyone who made TV dinners for their family was a bad parent.

Now I have inlaws in the Dallas area, and their kitchen never gets dirty. They eat almost every meal out.

I guess times have changed.

I think that is how the entire US used to be. Going out to eat was a treat, not something you do all the time. At least that is how it was when I was growing up in MA. I don't know how it is there now.

 

[Lemon law]

Why should we blame only our fat peddling restaurants? Many US home cooked meals were even more un heart healthy? Meat and potatoes and plenty of it has always been a staple US diet.

 

[spittledip]

Why should we blame only our fat peddling restaurants? Many US home cooked meals were even more un heart healthy? Meat and potatoes and plenty of it has always been a staple US diet.

It isn't just one thing. it is a bunch of different things contributing to this problem. EAting bad in general obviously encompasses more than just eating at restaurants.

 

[Kappo]

It isn't just one thing. it is a bunch of different things contributing to this problem. EAting bad in general obviously encompasses more than just eating at restaurants.

Since I now have a vested interest in everyone's healthcare, I think we should start taxing people who are fat. Require a checkup every year, calculate, add taxes. Same for smoking, drinking, driving fast, work in high stress environment, drugs, etc. If you do all of the bad things, you should have to pay for it. Force people to be who we want them to be.

 

[soccerballtux]

if they can't fight, then let them fly

 

[nageov3t]

Since I now have a vested interest in everyone's healthcare, I think we should start taxing people who are fat. Require a checkup every year, calculate, add taxes. Same for smoking, drinking, driving fast, work in high stress environment, drugs, etc. If you do all of the bad things, you should have to pay for it. Force people to be who we want them to be.

if you were truly interested in saving money, you'd want them to be fat.

skinny, healthy people ultimately drain the most money from the system because they live the longest and health care is most expensive at the end of your life.

 

[cwjerome]

What if the all the mad war mongering generals called for a war and no one bothered to show up? Would gasp, the mad war mongering generals actually have to fight it out with their opposite mad war mongering generals, kinda tends to take the fun of it, if they can't send someone else to die for their own delusions and they actually have to risk their silly ass lives for a damn change.

Sometimes I really do think you are one rung up from mental retardation.

 

[Kappo]

if you were truly interested in saving money, you'd want them to be fat.

skinny, healthy people ultimately drain the most money from the system because they live the longest and health care is most expensive at the end of your life.

Good point!

Let the fatties live free!

/new motto