US: Worst, Most Expensive Healthcare of High Income Countries

[brycejones]

Well, if you've made up your mind, there's little point in participating in a discussion.

The irony of this statement given your earlier posts in this thread is pretty funny.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, if you've made up your mind, there's little point in participating in a discussion. I'm sorry you lost family members, though.

The evidence is overwhelming but if you want to continue to irrationally ignore it that's your business.

I hope you can understand why we don't have any sympathy for those who do though. After all, they are just getting what they so abundantly asked for.

 

[MrSquished]

this guy turned out to be another worst of the worst. fucking Nazi's.

 

[crashtech]

The evidence is overwhelming but if you want to continue to irrationally ignore it that's your business.

I hope you can understand why we don't have any sympathy for those who do though. After all, they are just getting what they so abundantly asked for.

No, I don't excuse lack of sympathy for your fellow citizens.
And @MrSquished , if you really think I am the worst of the worst, you've led a really sheltered life and need to get out more. Maybe you should also practice your best "Nazi face punch," since you seem to think about half the country is in need of your tender ministrations. Gotta be in good shape for such a big fight.

 

[fskimospy]

No, I don't excuse lack of sympathy for your fellow citizens.
And @MrSquished , if you really think I am the worst of the worst, you've led a really sheltered life and need to get out more. Maybe you should also practice your best "Nazi face punch," since you seem to think about half the country is in need of your tender ministrations. Gotta be in good shape for such a big fight.

It is selfishness to deliberately take actions to harm yourself and then demand others sympathize with your plight.

True freedom is freedom of action AND acceptance of the consequences of your actions. What you're describing here is indulgence and nobody is owed that.

 

[thilanliyan]

This makes zero sense. As an example, I recently received the Shingrix vaccine against shingles. I also receive injections of a biologic that is very helpful for a condition that I have. But if anyone tried to force such treatments on me, I would tell them to fuck off.

So how do you know those things you took are totally safe?

 

[senseamp]

Elections have consequences.

 

[hal2kilo]

Let your wallet feel the freedumb!

Non-profits just had to go.

 

[JD50]

Lmao this dude would stop taking treatments that improve his quality of life if he were "forced" to take those same treatments. What a whiny little child.

Anyways who is "forcing" people to get the covid Vax?

 

[thilanliyan]

Anyways who is "forcing" people to get the covid Vax?

Democrats, clearly. If it was a Republican they'd be lining up for a 3rd and 4th.

 

[sandorski]

Well, if you've made up your mind, there's little point in participating in a discussion. I'm sorry you lost family members, though.

Just wake up from a 3 year Coma?

 

[Pens1566]

Just wake up from a 3 year Coma?

That would make them woke ...

 

[Paratus]

No they aren't. Perhaps when you think of Conservatives, you invent some kind of bogeyman created from a montage of extremists in your mind, but I can assure you that most of us are very normal people, generous and kind.

The bulk of conservatives vote for conservative policies that lead to greater deaths of those living under them. Not to mention the targeting of minorities, women, and LGBTQ+ citizens for disparate 2nd class treatment. You may tell yourself you are a good & generous person but obejectively to anyone outside your in group you are anything but

Conservatives defend the past gains of liberals, in other words, the kinds of progress that have been shown to be effective. Society is quite literally built from the ground up this way. Not all things that have been effective in the past are applicable to the future, though, which is why progress is necessary. Tradition (conservatism) brings stability, and progress (liberalism) ushers in needed change. But not all change is good, which is why we need guardians of tradition as a fallback position.

That's a nice utopian thought that doesn't happen in the real world with real people

The graph you post may or may not prove anything, and this is party why it may not show what you think it does:

Your pic directly states that "policies" are part of the risk. Those policies directly affect the availability of medical care and the environments of the people who live in them. I don't think your pic shows what you think it shows"

Also there is the problem of vaccine injury figures being actively obscured.

This is nothing more than your ignorance.

For the US you can see a plan language description of the number of injuries causally linked here :

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

The total causally linked deaths in the US are 9 out of total of 668 million doses delivered.
Total risk of anaphylaxis is less than 5 in 1,000,000 doses

This whole thing with mRNA has been surreal, one of the many things that the left has seemingly switched sides on. 20 years ago you could not find a liberal who would ally themselves with Pharma, and now they defend to the death the right for these huge, predatory companies to force experimental treatments on citizens.

That's because you have created a view of liberals based on a few extremists. Liberals are not against products "Big Pharma" creates that are beneficial. They are against some of their more egregious business practices.

But ever since it become known that the jab did not stop transmission, discrimination against objectors should have ended. But of course it didn't. I think we are a long way away from knowing the true cost/benefit of this new experimental mRNA treatment. If the whole truth is ever to be known, it will be long from now and told by historians.

Again with your ignorance and conspiracy mongering.

Here is the benefit of vaccination (Frome Scientific American):

Average of 17X less risk of dying from COVID

This is true of all people, especially ones with close held beliefs. I expect you to be fully dismissive of anything I tell you, and why could I not say it was for this same reason?


Am I being othered here? Who is this "you" that you speak of? Will I be allowed to be myself and have a range of opinions, many of which do not fit neatly into any one ideology, or is that just too much to ask for?

You may hold any opinions you want. Of course you can be placed into a group with others who share the same opinions you hold. The opinions you hold (and vote into policies!) in terms of healthcare are killing you and those like you.

You can feel free to change my mind with logic, reason, and supportable facts. Appealing to tradition, ignorance, or conspiracy are what trigger my "backfire effect".

 

[Fenixgoon]

That would make them woke ...

You win the internet's for today!