US: Worst, Most Expensive Healthcare of High Income Countries

[Indus]

Democrat donations have been crushing it vs the evil Repugnicans, yet healthcare is more broken than ever. But you sit there and wish for particular people to die. Sick fucker.

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me


Hoping and wishing some particular people die is a lot better than those actually wanting to exact political violence which is what they do. So asking nature to take its course isn't too bad in comparison!

 

[MrSquished]

You regurgitate platitudes while labeling others as morons. You are the one who thinks they get to enforce ideological uniformity while labeling others as "Nazis." I wonder if you started off as truly well meaning, I could believe that. If so, like many others, you have become what you proposed to oppose.

Since when is real history a platitude. You're the one that responds with nothing of substance and just says oh you're bad maybe you used to be good but now you're terrible or kids aren't safe around you or some other nonsense. But you never prove a point or respond to a debate using facts, in this case history.

Are you capable of having an honest discussion?

Or do you really think that just because people like to eat and have shelter and have their offspring be okay means then it's all good and we don't have to be concerned about other people.

So how do you count for all the atrocities in history by political and religious movements.

You able to have an intellectual discussion or are these concepts that you cannot grasp?

 

[MrSquished]

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me


Hoping and wishing some particular people die is a lot better than those actually wanting to exact political violence which is what they do. So asking nature to take its course isn't too bad in comparison!

This guy is dishonest as hell and ignores facts and reality and accuses us of being horrible people while essentially defending the worst people in the world by ignoring the history of atrocities and the current state of things as even relevant to this discussion, he calls real history a platitude.

Just another shitty unaware intellectually incapable or unaware motherfucker.

 

[ivwshane]

Democrat donations have been crushing it vs the evil Repugnicans, yet healthcare is more broken than ever. But you sit there and wish for particular people to die. Sick fucker.

I did no such thing. Do you have trouble with reading comprehension or are you just stupid?

 

[crashtech]

I did no such thing. Do you have trouble with reading comprehension or are you just stupid?

It looks like a problem that will eventually fix itself. As more righties/conservatives die off sooner than the left, the demographics will change and we’ll finally be able to get a government that actually takes care of a majority of its citizens and not just those that can afford to lobby it. I don’t know if it’ll happen in my lifetime but I take solace in the thought.

 

[Indus]

This guy is dishonest as hell and ignores facts and reality and accuses us of being horrible people while essentially defending the worst people in the world by ignoring the history of atrocities and the current state of things as even relevant to this discussion, he calls real history a platitude.

Just another shitty unaware intellectually incapable or unaware motherfucker.

Yep I know the type.

The silent neo-nazis who want to be able to get jobs!

Won't actually say it but hang and drinks with neo-nazi goon squads and keeps calling others terrible.. and when caught.. their defense is, they didn't know!

 

[MrSquished]

Yep I know the type.

The silent neo-nazis who want to be able to get jobs!

Won't actually say it but hang and drinks with neo-nazi goon squads and keeps calling others terrible.. and when caught.. their defense is, they didn't know!

Someone's up. Data and factors like history and current affairs are just platitudes.

That's a new one.

 

[crashtech]

Yep I know the type.

The silent neo-nazis who want to be able to get jobs!

Won't actually say it but hang and drinks with neo-nazi goon squads and keeps calling others terrible.. and when caught.. their defense is, they didn't know!

Goon squads? You watching too much TV or something?

 

[crashtech]

Someone's up. Data and factors like history and current affairs are just platitudes.

That's a new one.

Your posts have been data-free, so far, and I have responded in kind.

 

[MrSquished]

Your posts have been data-free, so far, and I have responded in kind.

So you call human history not data when you are talking about the fact that because people like to eat and have a bed makes them okay and they can't be compared to anybody in human history.

I mean that is the best data there is. Thousands of years of history and actions by hundreds of millions of people, who all wanted the things that you said people want so that means they're okay, under various nationalist movements just like the current one in America.

How is that not data?

 

[ivwshane]

So you are just stupid then. I stated a fact, one based on previous charts posted in this thread. I also stated I take solace in the thought that we will have a government that works for the people.

Thanks for removing any doubt that not only are you a fucking moron but you are also dishonest by completely making up what people say.

 

[Pens1566]

We really needed a study for this?

 

[thilanliyan]

We really needed a study for this?

I know...it's not like the red states (and others who adhere to their methods) believe in science and data anyway. Lol

 

[Paratus]

Your posts have been data-free, so far, and I have responded in kind.

Well here’s the problem. As a liberal I’m concerned with facts and with the well being of my fellow citizens. Conservatives on the other hand are mostly concerned with ideological purity and othering a portion of their countrymen to the detriment of all else

COVID vaccinations is a perfect example. Taking it puts you at odds with conservative orthodoxy so they don’t and they die at higher rates because of it.

In the OP I provided data that shows in general states run by conservatives end up with shorter life spans, more dead infants and more dead mothers.

The problem for me is as a liberal trying to convince conservatives such as yourself with facts that your ideas are bad and killing you is something called the Backfire Effect.

Telling you that conservative ideas are bad and killing you make it more likely for you to hang onto your bad beliefs that are killing you.

From a strictly utilitarian perspective this actually isn’t a huge issue. Either you accept the facts and convert your way of thinking or more of you die off earlier and can’t prevent the changes to healthcare from occurring that will reduce your risk of dying.

I’d prefer if conservatives just accepted facts but you prefer more of you die than accept it.

 

[crashtech]

Well here’s the problem. As a liberal I’m concerned with facts and with the well being of my fellow citizens. conservatives on the other hand are mostly concerned with ideological purity and othering a portion of their countrymen to the detriment of all else

No they aren't. Perhaps when you think of Conservatives, you invent some kind of bogeyman created from a montage of extremists in your mind, but I can assure you that most of us are very normal people, generous and kind. Conservatives defend the past gains of liberals, in other words, the kinds of progress that have been shown to be effective. Society is quite literally built from the ground up this way. Not all things that have been effective in the past are applicable to the future, though, which is why progress is necessary. Tradition (conservatism) brings stability, and progress (liberalism) ushers in needed change. But not all change is good, which is why we need guardians of tradition as a fallback position.

COVID vaccinations is a perfect example. Taking it puts you at odds with conservative orthodoxy so they don’t and they die at higher rates because of it.

In the OP I provided data that shows in general states run by conservatives end up with shorter life spans, more dead infants and more dead mothers.

The graph you post may or may not prove anything, and this is party why it may not show what you think it does:

Also there is the problem of vaccine injury figures being actively obscured. This whole thing with mRNA has been surreal, one of the many things that the left has seemingly switched sides on. 20 years ago you could not find a liberal who would ally themselves with Pharma, and now they defend to the death the right for these huge, predatory companies to force experimental treatments on citizens. But ever since it become known that the jab did not stop transmission, discrimination against objectors should have ended. But of course it didn't. I think we are a long way away from knowing the true cost/benefit of this new experimental mRNA treatment. If the whole truth is ever to be known, it will be long from now and told by historians.

The problem for me is as a liberal trying to convince conservatives such as yourself with facts that your ideas are bad and killing you is something called the Backfire Effect. Telling you that conservative ideas are bad and killing you make it more likely for you to hang onto your bad beliefs that are killing you.

This is true of all people, especially ones with close held beliefs. I expect you to be fully dismissive of anything I tell you, and why could I not say it was for this same reason?

From a strictly utilitarian perspective this actually isn’t a huge issue. Either you accept the facts and convert your way of thinking or more of you die off earlier and can’t prevent the changes to healthcare from occurring that will reduce your risk of dying.

I’d prefer if conservatives just accepted facts but you prefer more of you die than accept it.

Am I being othered here? Who is this "you" that you speak of? Will I be allowed to be myself and have a range of opinions, many of which do not fit neatly into any one ideology, or is that just too much to ask for?

 

[Pens1566]

Ah, good. We've finally reached the part where the vaccine and mandela effect have entered the convo. Always a good sign when someone doesn't understand the basics of vaccines and how they work (macro).

 

[MrSquished]

Ah, good. We've finally reached the part where the vaccine and mandela effect have entered the convo. Always a good sign when someone doesn't understand the basics of vaccines and how they work (macro).

The guy is willfully dishonest as he simply ignores simple questions and millions of data points for discussion as platitudes. Another net negative conservative that refuses to deal in reality and also likes to spread FUD. I thought either he was dense or a conservative and look at him now, he is a conspiracy theorist of the worst kind - either way, he defends Nazis by ignoring an intellectual discussion and saying, hey they be cool, they like food and shelter too - to me, people that defend Nazis at this point are just about as bad as the Nazis - so to me his face just started to look real punchable. Just another enemy of what is good and decent.

 

[K1052]

Also there is the problem of vaccine injury figures being actively obscured. This whole thing with mRNA has been surreal, one of the many things that the left has seemingly switched sides on. 20 years ago you could not find a liberal who would ally themselves with Pharma, and now they defend to the death the right for these huge, predatory companies to force experimental treatments on citizens. But ever since it become known that the jab did not stop transmission, discrimination against objectors should have ended. But of course it didn't. I think we are a long way away from knowing the true cost/benefit of this new experimental mRNA treatment. If the whole truth is ever to be known, it will be long from now and told by historians.

I truly have achieved the point where I don't care if people who believe the above, contrary to all evidence, want to cut their lives short. Have at it. Feel free to refuse any new treatments for other ailments you might encounter as well like cancer. This lib will be so so owned.

 

[Pens1566]

I truly have achieved the point where I don't care if people who believe the above, contrary to all evidence, want to cut their lives short. Have at it. Feel free to refuse any new treatments for other ailments you might encounter as well like cancer. This lib will be so so owned.

I'm eagerly awaiting the upcoming round of mRNA cancer vaccines. By all means, refuse them.

 

[crashtech]

You guys are doing a decent job of helping my case, keep it up.

I truly have achieved the point where I don't care if people who believe the above, contrary to all evidence, want to cut their lives short. Have at it. Feel free to refuse any new treatments for other ailments you might encounter as well like cancer. This lib will be so so owned.

This makes zero sense. As an example, I recently received the Shingrix vaccine against shingles. I also receive injections of a biologic that is very helpful for a condition that I have. But if anyone tried to force such treatments on me, I would tell them to fuck off.

 

[fskimospy]

No they aren't. Perhaps when you think of Conservatives, you invent some kind of bogeyman created from a montage of extremists in your mind, but I can assure you that most of us are very normal people, generous and kind. Conservatives defend the past gains of liberals, in other words, the kinds of progress that have been shown to be effective. Society is quite literally built from the ground up this way. Not all things that have been effective in the past are applicable to the future, though, which is why progress is necessary. Tradition (conservatism) brings stability, and progress (liberalism) ushers in needed change. But not all change is good, which is why we need guardians of tradition as a fallback position.




The graph you post may or may not prove anything, and this is party why it may not show what you think it does:

Also there is the problem of vaccine injury figures being actively obscured. This whole thing with mRNA has been surreal, one of the many things that the left has seemingly switched sides on. 20 years ago you could not find a liberal who would ally themselves with Pharma, and now they defend to the death the right for these huge, predatory companies to force experimental treatments on citizens. But ever since it become known that the jab did not stop transmission, discrimination against objectors should have ended. But of course it didn't. I think we are a long way away from knowing the true cost/benefit of this new experimental mRNA treatment. If the whole truth is ever to be known, it will be long from now and told by historians.


This is true of all people, especially ones with close held beliefs. I expect you to be fully dismissive of anything I tell you, and why could I not say it was for this same reason?


Am I being othered here? Who is this "you" that you speak of? Will I be allowed to be myself and have a range of opinions, many of which do not fit neatly into any one ideology, or is that just too much to ask for?

Funny how Republicans suddenly became dramatically less healthy than Democrats EXACTLY when vaccines became available, hahaha.

You don't have to take any vaccine you don't want to but don't expect any sympathy when you suffer the entirely predictable consequences.

 

[K1052]

You guys are doing a decent job of helping my case, keep it up.

This makes zero sense. As an example, I recently received the Shingrix vaccine against shingles. I also receive injections of a biologic that is very helpful for a condition that I have. But if anyone tried to force such treatments on me, I would tell them to fuck off.

That the benefits of a vaccine that would have clearly saved the lives of several people in my family who died from COVID not being known is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever heard and there is no amount of inane "but they forced it on people" that's going to convince me otherwise.

 

[brycejones]

Also there is the problem of vaccine injury figures being actively obscured. This whole thing with mRNA has been surreal, one of the many things that the left has seemingly switched sides on. 20 years ago you could not find a liberal who would ally themselves with Pharma, and now they defend to the death the right for these huge, predatory companies to force experimental treatments on citizens. But ever since it become known that the jab did not stop transmission, discrimination against objectors should have ended. But of course it didn't. I think we are a long way away from knowing the true cost/benefit of this new experimental mRNA treatment. If the whole truth is ever to be known, it will be long from now and told by historians.

I'm going to say it, You're a fucking moron.

 

[fskimospy]

That the benefits of a vaccine that would have clearly saved the lives of several people in my family who died from COVID not being known is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever heard and there is no amount of inane "but they forced it on people" that's going to convince me otherwise.

It's a child's reasoning - someone made you mad so you're going to deliberately hurt yourself to show them who's boss.

They may not realize this but outside of their friends and family nobody gives a shit. I would not be surprised if at this very moment there is a dying unvaccinated person laying in their hospital bed thinking to themselves that at least they didn't bow to lib tyranny about vaccines. They probably don't realize that nobody gives a shit and we will never know that they died or even that they lived and so their death is entirely for nothing.

 

[crashtech]

That the benefits of a vaccine that would have clearly saved the lives of several people in my family who died from COVID not being known is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever heard and there is no amount of inane "but they forced it on people" that's going to convince me otherwise.

Well, if you've made up your mind, there's little point in participating in a discussion. I'm sorry you lost family members, though.