US To cut H1-B Visas. Yay!

[Zombie]

This is where you are wrong the US is gaining of the knowledge from those foreign engineers not the contrary (this is why companies hire H1Bs...because they are more knowledgeable than the typical US engineer

bahahahaha....Most H1 visa holders don't even have degrees from a accredited university. Most of them attend Indian euivalent of Devry or ITT and then jump on to H1 visa.

 

[Rias]

Originally posted by: Zombie

bahahahaha....Most H1 visa holders don't even have degrees from a accredited university. Most of them attend Indian euivalent of Devry or ITT and then jump on to H1 visa.

"accredited", just like most european universities aren't "accredited" in the US either. It's almost like europeans laughing at american "degrees"

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Zombie
companies can do internal transfers between their US and international offices without having to go in for H1 visa. So they can open up a office in India(for example) and hire 1500 people there and then transfer them all here without having to go for H1. There are some time limits on this. I am just giving a broad definition.

Oh and unlike H1 visa holders employers are not required to pay market wages to L1 holders. So basically they can pay them next to nothing for working here. They can also transfer them to other cleient offices.

Yes, and thats the more "dangerous" competition for US worker, because these workers are paid on their standard wages back in India, or at a rate much lower than the US prevailing wages. Good thing they're limiting that also.

Here's an article on how H1-B affect US workers. It aint as evil as some people drummed it up to be:
H1-B affect on Labor

Instead of heckling on these, the govt need to get their act together and fix the illegals problem who's more of a drain on the economy.

 

[MaxDepth]

Originally posted by: Zombie

This is where you are wrong the US is gaining of the knowledge from those foreign engineers not the contrary (this is why companies hire H1Bs...because they are more knowledgeable than the typical US engineer

bahahahaha....Most H1 visa holders don't even have degrees from a accredited university. Most of them attend Indian euivalent of Devry or ITT and then jump on to H1 visa.

Plus it is now easier through new I-net comm lines to transmit data, so the foreigners can stay on their own turf and pour their money into their own local economy.



But mark my words, 2004 election campaigns will be littered with "America first" type of campaign promises to keep jobs at home.

 

[StageLeft]

Here's an article on how H1-B affect US workers. It aint as evil as some people drummed it up to be:
H1-B affect on Labor

"In fact, Zavodny said that in 2001, the latest data available, H-1B workers with bachelor's degrees were paid more, on average, than U.S. citizens with bachelor's degrees."

Instead of heckling on these, the govt need to get their act together and fix the illegals problem who's more of a drain on the economy.

I agree. Doing something about H1Bs while allowing millions of illegals to come in is like paying $3 for a car wash instead of gas and running out on the way home.

 

[DurocShark]

Why is it ok to disregard any loss of american jobs because of a TOTALLY SEPARATE issue that ALSO needs to be addresed?

I don't get it.

I don't mean some kid straight out of college should be hired as Sr Programmer. So move up the Jr Programmer! Then hire the kids in as entry level.

Why do companies have this need to hire outside when they have talent inside? The grass always LOOKS greener, but is it really green or only paint?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Why is it ok to disregard any loss of american jobs because of a TOTALLY SEPARATE issue that ALSO needs to be addresed?

I don't get it.

I don't mean some kid straight out of college should be hired as Sr Programmer. So move up the Jr Programmer! Then hire the kids in as entry level.

Why do companies have this need to hire outside when they have talent inside? The grass always LOOKS greener, but is it really green or only paint?

I personally see more complaints about H1B workers than illegal workers and it's like stopping a burglar from getting in the front door while a dozen come in the back.

But, as that article alludes to, perhaps these H1B workers are actually GOOD. Maybe sometimes even better than US workers, and that is why they are paid more. We have one guy on H1B at our company and he's very good.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Why is it ok to disregard any loss of american jobs because of a TOTALLY SEPARATE issue that ALSO needs to be addresed?

I don't get it.

I don't mean some kid straight out of college should be hired as Sr Programmer. So move up the Jr Programmer! Then hire the kids in as entry level.

Why do companies have this need to hire outside when they have talent inside? The grass always LOOKS greener, but is it really green or only paint?

Maybe because the company doesn't need an Jr.Programmer? They need someone that can work immediately instead of having to be tutored for the next 6 months, nor do they have the time to develop it in house. Not everyone is like Microsoft who develop their talents from within. Lets face it, most of the graduates have no idea what a business environment looks like.
Just look at Monster.com. Most IT job advertised there requires 3-4 yr experience, so that eliminates most new graduates immediately. If you look closely, most of them also makes a point to requires the applicants to have permit to work here. That also limit the H1-B applicants, unless the company willing to do the transfer.

Another thing (which is a moot point right now since ppl are unlikely to quit), but getting H1-B worker means you're more than likely will have the programmer for awhile (3-6 yrs). Think of it these ways, either you got a bunch of new graduates that you spent lots of $$ and time training to be a knowledgeable and productive programmer, yet after getting all those training and some work experience, they jump ship at the next available opportunity OR you get those that doesn't need as much training and they'll stick around for awhile? Yes, like it or not, company uses H1-B to their advantage to tied down the worker, especially with the promise of a greencard sponsorship at later years.