US To cut H1-B Visas. Yay!
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Well, only companies with the resources can do that. Midsized companies continue to use H1-B employees. *ahem*mine*ahem*
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So what? H1Bs are the ultimate scapegoat for US workers. That article even tells you this - 27,000 H1Bs to tech workers in 2002. And you think that's destroying the market? They can lower the quota all they want; I doubt they'll even hit the new one, so it's really nothing to get TOO worked up over!
Maybe....
But I see it as 27,000 jobs that could be given to those of us that are citizens. I really can't imagine that there's such a lack of talent here...
H1-B visas are a nice hot-button topic, but the reality is that they don't have a major impact on the job market as a whole. Further, since companies have to pay H1-B workers roughly the same "prevailing wage" as US workers doing the same job, the companies don't stand to get huge benefits by going with H1-B workers instead of US workers. The L visas on the other hand present a huge loophole that companies are starting to use more and more.
Too little, too late. Overall, I don't think it'll do much to affect the job losses in the IT industry. Companies will continue to outsource or move entire divisions offshore. They've discovered that while H1-B employees are cheaper than non-H1-B employees, it's cheaper still to move the jobs offshore entirely.
What this might do is temporarily slow the trend of companies bringing in people on H1-Bs to be trained by existing employees before taking the jobs back to their home country leaving the aforementioned existing employees jobless.
What this might do is temporarily slow the trend of companies bringing in people on H1-Bs to be trained by existing employees before taking the jobs back to their home country leaving the aforementioned existing employees jobless.
Bah, you people don't have any imagination. If the jobs are going international, YOU should go international. Or work for government - its damn near impossible for them to go international.
There's more to the H1-B than just tech jobs too... :|
130,000 freed up jobs, regardless of the industry, is a GOOD thing!!!
130,000 freed up jobs, regardless of the industry, is a GOOD thing!!!
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Presuming that the H1B numbers were all used up last year, which I'm sure they weren't.
As I said before getting your panties in a wad over keeping out legal skilled workers, while opening your arms to millions of uneducated immigrants from south of the border is absolute lunacy. Some people would rather turn the US into a nation of landscapers instead of engineers. Good move!
I don't understand your anger
if th companies have to pay the same wage for H1B workers, which do they employ them instead of US workers?
because they are more talented...
I think it makes sense
Ummm... But I don't open my "arms to millions of uneducated immigrants from south of the border".
And we have plenty of university graduates to fill the slots.
I could understand if it's an expert in growing poppies or making crack cocaine or something we needed to import, then the H1-B would make sense. (And the L class is another one that bugs...) But bringing in C++ programmers under the H1-B is just stupid.
EDIT: It's not immigrants coming here to live permanently. It's people coming here to learn the biz for a few years, then take that knowledge back to their homes to enrich their own countries.
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A lot of the H1B workers do stay in the US. And you may not personally be opening your arms to illegal immigrants with no education, but the US sure as hell is.
Although many say that H1Bs make less than their citizen counterparts the law strictly prohibits that and in fact in practice I do recall reading that h1B workers made more than their citizen counterparts, so it must come down to skill in many cases and not simply wanting to hire cheap labor.
This is where you are wrong the US is gaining of the knowledge from those foreign engineers not the contrary (this is why companies hire H1Bs...because they are more knowledgeable than the typical US engineer
I think you fail to understand the situation completly. Just because you're an university graduate doesn't mean you're entitled to a job. It almost seems like you're comparing recent graduates that can't find work with REAL SKILLED H1-B workers. And do you seriously think just because you took a few classes on C++ that you are at the level of someone who has likely been doing it for YEARS?
Disclosure: I'm not a citizen; but I'm also happy not to be a H1-B worker.
companies can do internal transfers between their US and international offices without having to go in for H1 visa. So they can open up a office in India(for example) and hire 1500 people there and then transfer them all here without having to go for H1. There are some time limits on this. I am just giving a broad definition.
Oh and unlike H1 visa holders employers are not required to pay market wages to L1 holders. So basically they can pay them next to nothing for working here. They can also transfer them to other cleient offices.
Oh and unlike H1 visa holders employers are not required to pay market wages to L1 holders. So basically they can pay them next to nothing for working here. They can also transfer them to other cleient offices.
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