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US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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Starbuck1975 said:
They mobilized militarily in response to Soleimani’s death, and shooting down of the plane was an error they made as part pf that mobilization. I suppose there is a slight chance that they could have accidentally shot down an airliner.
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Huh? They did accidentally shoot down an airliner. They weren't launching missiles at everything flying overhead. It was either a misidentification or an accidental 'button push' (whatever that term means in the context of launching a SAM).

If you're going to blame the shoot down on the mobilization, go ahead and take it one step further back and blame the cause of the mobilization, Trump's assassination of Soleimani.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
It's telling that your root analysis stops there and doesn't continue back another step.
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Right? I guess the buck stops one step outside Trump's office.

Either the destruction of that airliner was caused by an accidental firing/identification on the part of Iran, OR it was caused by Trump, you don't get to choose the convenient in-between stuff.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
They mobilized militarily in response to Soleimani’s death, and shooting down of the plane was an error they made as part of that mobilization.
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They mobilized in response to Trump's threats to bomb them. That's beyond obvious. Deploying AA batteries wouldn't avenge Soleimani.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Right? I guess the buck stops one step outside Trump's office.

Either the destruction of that airliner was caused by an accidental firing/identification on the part of Iran, OR it was caused by Trump, you don't get to choose the convenient in-between stuff.
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Excuse me, but the missiles wouldn't have been deployed if not for Trump's threats. Yeh, sure, somebody screwed up but they wouldn't have had the opportunity if not for that.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Huh? They did accidentally shoot down an airliner. They weren't launching missiles at everything flying overhead. It was either a misidentification or an accidental 'button push' (whatever that term means in the context of launching a SAM).

If you're going to blame the shoot down on the mobilization, go ahead and take it one step further back and blame the cause of the mobilization, Trump's assassination of Soleimani.
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If we want to truly get to root cause, there’s a few more steps that predate Trump.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
If we want to truly get to root cause, there’s a few more steps that predate Trump.
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Trump's was the overt action. He authorized the killing of an Iranian general and 9 innocents. For all intents and purposes that is the root cause of each event over the next 48-72 hours.

Mind you I'm not personally blaming Trump for the airliner going down (although some might), I'm just stating that it was an accident, not caused by Iranians getting 'revenge' or whatever. I was refuting your point that Iran killed its own people 'in response to' the killing.
 
Jeez guys. You can go back much further in time here. That blame game only going a couple iterations back is weak sauce. Hell, we're not even to "but Obama" yet much less Iran Contra or the hostage crisis...
 
interchange said:
Jeez guys. You can go back much further in time here. That blame game only going a couple iterations back is weak sauce. Hell, we're not even to "but Obama" yet much less Iran Contra or the hostage crisis...
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Could blame Jesus, if it weren't for him being so divisive we wouldn't even be having conversations about the ME.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Trump's was the overt action. He authorized the killing of an Iranian general and 9 innocents. For all intents and purposes that is the root cause of each event over the next 48-72 hours.

Mind you I'm not personally blaming Trump for the airliner going down (although some might), I'm just stating that it was an accident, not caused by Iranians getting 'revenge' or whatever. I was refuting your point that Iran killed its own people 'in response to' the killing.
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Trump’s overt act was to strike a legitimate military target. The only thing in question for that decision was the risk assessment of it.

Independent of Trump, we should be questioning why any President should have the authority to exercise the use of such force without any oversight.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Trump’s overt act was to strike a legitimate military target. The only thing in question for that decision was the risk assessment of it.
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The fuck it was, we're not at war with Iran. It was an assassination, and it killed 9 innocents as well. It was very probably a war crime, or at least we'd charge Iran with war crimes if they assassinated one of ours, like say Gen Funk II (US Army Training and Doctrine command).
Starbuck1975 said:
Independent of Trump, we should be questioning why any President should have the authority to exercise the use of such force without any oversight.
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Agreed, the abdication of responsibility from Congress should be dealt with, swiftly. Like within this administration swiftly.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Trump’s overt act was to strike a legitimate military target. The only thing in question for that decision was the risk assessment of it.

Independent of Trump, we should be questioning why any President should have the authority to exercise the use of such force without any oversight.
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Really? Fucking really? I thought our mission in Iraq was to defeat ISIS in aid of our strategic partner & to train their troops. Waging war on Iran isn't something they signed up for, obviously. Fuck them. We'll do anything we want in their country, including killing their people. If they throw us out, we'll fuck with their money. We be thugs.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
The fuck it was, we're not at war with Iran. It was an assassination, and it killed 9 innocents as well. It was very probably a war crime, or at least we'd charge Iran with war crimes if they assassinated one of ours, like say Gen Funk II (US Army Training and Doctrine command).

Agreed, the abdication of responsibility from Congress should be dealt with, swiftly. Like within this administration swiftly.
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We live in an age of asymmetrical warfare. We weren’t at war with Somalia, Serbia, Iraq, Libya or Syria, yet we’ve decisively engaged each. We didn’t assasinate anyone. We decisively took out the mastermind of Iran’s proxy wars across the region, and someone directly responsible for American combatant deaths. If we took him out at a restaurant on Iranian soil, different story. But if Gen Funk II was responsible for the deaths of Shia militia, and someone took him out in Bagdad, that would be a combat death, not an assasination.

He was a combatant. Not all combatants are worth taking out.

I will reiterate my point that the decision to engage shouldn’t be up to the President alone.
 
Jhhnn said:
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Really? Fucking really? I thought our mission in Iraq was to defeat ISIS in aid of our strategic partner & to train their troops. Waging war on Iran isn't something they signed up for, obviously. Fuck them. We'll do anything we want in their country, including killing their people. If they throw us out, we'll fuck with their money. We be thugs.
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Yes really. We’ve been thugs the moment our gaze turned westward.
 
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