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US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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Jaskalas said:
To those who claimed Iran attacked in a manner to avoid US casualties. Video of the barracks, and the rather large crater just one missile left behind.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/11/al-asad-air-base-destruction-exclusive-damon-newday-vpx.cnn
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Did you miss that they gave prior warning to the attack, giving both the iraqi and us troops time to evacuate? If they wanted to have casualties, they would have given NO warning. Damaging empty buildings and structures means nothing as far as casualties are concerned in that kind of scenero.
 
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ivwshane said:
You might want to revisit your posts then because that’s exactly what it sounded like.
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Duh, well, quote me. I never thought for a minute they intentionally attacked a passenger plane. They were incompetent and trigger happy, well, the guy with his finger on the trigger, monumental screw up.
 
Some news outlets are reporting that the downed commercial plane tragedy is actually emboldening opposition groups to protest in Tehran. So much for the drone strike soldifying Iran around the hardliners.

There are also reports that Iraq might be backing off on their demands for us to leave because Trump is threatening their oil revenues that pass through banks based in the US.
 
NWRMidnight said:
Did you miss that they gave prior warning to the attack, giving both the iraqi and us troops time to evacuate? If they wanted to have casualties, they would have given NO warning. Damaging empty buildings and structures means nothing as far as casualties are concerned in that kind of scenero.
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They didn't have time to evacuate. They had time to dive into bunkers. A direct hit would kill everybody inside unless it was really deep. Iran notifying Iraq was merely a formality. They understood our detection capabilities all along. We're not talking about precision munitions, either. Lots of them didn't make it to the target. Some failed to detonate. If it lands within 50 yards or so of the intended target it's operating as designed.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Some news outlets are reporting that the downed commercial plane tragedy is actually emboldening opposition groups to protest in Tehran. So much for the drone strike soldifying Iran around the hardliners.
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I think I'll go with "let's wait and see". Those two things are not mutually-exclusive, however.

Starbuck1975 said:
There are also reports that Iraq might be backing off on their demands for us to leave because Trump is threatening their oil revenues that pass through banks based in the US.
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Yeah, nothing embarrassingly imperialistic about that. In no way at odds with the idea that we invaded to 'give them freedom'.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Some news outlets are reporting that the downed commercial plane tragedy is actually emboldening opposition groups to protest in Tehran. So much for the drone strike soldifying Iran around the hardliners.

There are also reports that Iraq might be backing off on their demands for us to leave because Trump is threatening their oil revenues that pass through banks based in the US.
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Don't be obtuse. The assassination solidified support behind the regime. Iraq? Fuck them. We'll do any fucking thing we want in their country. Kill their militamen. Assassinate the personal diplomatic representative of the Ayatollah. Threaten them with retaliation if they make us leave. Because we be thugs. That's right, motherfuckers. Don't make us thug out on your junkie asses again.
 
Jhhnn said:
Don't be obtuse. The assassination solidified support behind the regime. Iraq? Fuck them. We'll do any fucking thing we want in their country. Kill their militamen. Assassinate the personal diplomatic representative of the Ayatollah. Threaten them with retaliation if they make us leave. Because we be thugs. That's right, motherfuckers. Don't make us thug out on your junkie asses again.
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He isn’t being obtuse. There are mass protests in Tehran and young people are calling the Ayatollah “untrustworthy” at best and “murderer” at worst.

Some how, some way, Trump lucked out after committing the mother of all diplomatic fuck ups with Iran/Iraq and bringing us to the brink of war, only to have Iran score an own goal in the (hopefully) final minutes.

Worst thing about this will be all the chuds claiming Trump is some kind of genius for “achieving” this outcome.

The Iraq situation is troubling though. China, if you’re listening, now is the time to provide an alternative to the petrodollar for Iraq, and perhaps offshore some of their processing and refining to Belt and Road countries.

oilprice.com

Is Iraq About To Become A Chinese Client State? | OilPrice.com

China has taken yet another step towards turning Iraq into a client state as it finalizes more oil-for-infrastructure deals in a vital region for its ambitious silk road project
oilprice.com oilprice.com
 
UNCjigga said:
He isn’t being obtuse. There are mass protests in Tehran and young people are calling the Ayatollah “untrustworthy” at best and “murderer” at worst.

Some how, some way, Trump lucked out after committing the mother of all diplomatic fuck ups with Iran/Iraq and bringing us to the brink of war, only to have Iran score an own goal in the (hopefully) final minutes.

Worst thing about this will be all the chuds claiming Trump is some kind of genius for “achieving” this outcome.

The Iraq situation is troubling though. China, if you’re listening, now is the time to provide an alternative to the petrodollar for Iraq, and perhaps offshore some of their processing and refining to Belt and Road countries.

oilprice.com

Is Iraq About To Become A Chinese Client State? | OilPrice.com

China has taken yet another step towards turning Iraq into a client state as it finalizes more oil-for-infrastructure deals in a vital region for its ambitious silk road project
oilprice.com oilprice.com
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Who's side are you on?
You are basically asking for China to fuck the US here. Maybe you would be happier living in China?
How petrodollars affect US dollar
 
UNCjigga said:
He isn’t being obtuse. There are mass protests in Tehran and young people are calling the Ayatollah “untrustworthy” at best and “murderer” at worst.

Some how, some way, Trump lucked out after committing the mother of all diplomatic fuck ups with Iran/Iraq and bringing us to the brink of war, only to have Iran score an own goal in the (hopefully) final minutes.

Worst thing about this will be all the chuds claiming Trump is some kind of genius for “achieving” this outcome.

The Iraq situation is troubling though. China, if you’re listening, now is the time to provide an alternative to the petrodollar for Iraq, and perhaps offshore some of their processing and refining to Belt and Road countries.

oilprice.com

Is Iraq About To Become A Chinese Client State? | OilPrice.com

China has taken yet another step towards turning Iraq into a client state as it finalizes more oil-for-infrastructure deals in a vital region for its ambitious silk road project
oilprice.com oilprice.com
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There is no "outcome" at this point. When things calm down, Iran's revolutionary govt will very, very, very likely remain.
 
compuwiz1 said:
Who's side are you on?
You are basically asking for China to fuck the US here. Maybe you would be happier living in China?
How petrodollars affect US dollar
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I think you missed my sarcasm—this is troubling because Iraq asking us to leave, and US threatening their dollar denominated accounts—this is playing directly into China’s hands. I was mimicking Trump (though I don’t believe he’s enabling China intentionally—just another unintended consequence of bad policy—some of which Trump inherited re: Iraq but he’s made it worse.)
 
UNCjigga said:
True, but even an admission from Iran coming in days (not months or years) is a big deal.
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Admission to what, other than the airliner tragedy?

Edit- I misunderstood a bit. It's good that Iran is being honest about the airliner. Maybe we need to get honest about it ourselves, understand that the missile batteries likely wouldn't have been deployed had we not threatened to bomb them. The higher the level of tensions, the more likely somebody will screw up.

What's happened here is that the Trump admin went rogue & thugged out on Iran & our Iraqi partners. There was no good reason to scuttle the JCPOA & impose sanctions. When a year of that wasn't working, they escalated straight to contrived incidents, military aggression & political assassination. They've been spreading Free, Freedom & Liberty! at gunpoint since 2001. Having the biggest gun means you can shoot it whenever you want, right? Why else would we have it?
 
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Jhhnn said:
They didn't have time to evacuate. They had time to dive into bunkers. A direct hit would kill everybody inside unless it was really deep. Iran notifying Iraq was merely a formality. They understood our detection capabilities all along. We're not talking about precision munitions, either. Lots of them didn't make it to the target. Some failed to detonate. If it lands within 50 yards or so of the intended target it's operating as designed.
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They had 3 hours, that is more than enough time to evacuate, but rather they chose to put them in hardened bunkers. Do you know ANYTHING about Hardened Military Bunkers? They take special munitions to penetrate. Normal Missiles won't touch them. You need to quiet drinking the Propaganda cool-aid from Fox news.
 
It is starting to appear that both Trump and Iran violated international law. Not to mention possible USA laws governing his authorization to order the strike, without reason. The fact that Trump keeps changing and modifying his story to why he ordered the drone strike is destroying any credibility of him having a legitimate reason to do so. And if the information that he did because of pressure from the GOP in the Senate because of the pending impeachment (another act for his personal gain, and another impeachable offense), etc. means that he has blood on his hands as well for the downed airliner because his actions lead to the events that caused the airliner to be accidentally shot down.
 
I think most people realize that in times of conflict, truth is often the first casualty. Whatever any govt says about any incidents in conflict, especially controversial ones, must always be suspect. Aside from propaganda and disinformation purposes, govts often need to cover their asses for political and/or legal purposes.
 
NWRMidnight said:
{Trump} has blood on his hands as well for the downed airliner because his actions lead to the events that caused the airliner to be accidentally shot down.
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My thought too, but he'll deflect that one as well because, that's his way. He gives no quarter to guilt no matter how well deserved.
 
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