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US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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amenx said:
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Sulaimani was furthering Irans interests no less differently than when the US were supporting deadly paramilitaries and dictators in South America and elsewhere. Pinochet was just as brutal as Assad, yet the CIA helped put him in power and overthrow democratic elected Allende. Not to mention Saddam whom the US helped and supported in the 80s.That doesnt excuse Suleimani or Iran, but it reeks hypocrisy when your side has done the same thing numerous times in its history. Furthermore, Irans strategic and regional interests were far more threatened by the US, Israel and their allies and therefore was no surprise that Suleimani was supporting the groups, insurgents, actors that were useful to his countries interests. Same damn thing the US has been doing throughout its history. Except Iran may have felt their survival far more threatened than the US ever has over the last few decades.
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Are you an American? Serious question.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Government official? Good grief man. Dude was a complete scumbag terrorist. Why in the fack do you care if the world is down one less scumbag? This is a good thing. If a democrat had ordered the same thing I would say the same thing.
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I believe you are mistaking concern for the potential ramifications of killing Soleimani with concern for Soleimani himself.
 
amenx said:
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Sulaimani was furthering Irans interests no less differently than when the US were supporting deadly paramilitaries and dictators in South America and elsewhere. Pinochet was just as brutal as Assad, yet the CIA helped put him in power and overthrow democratic elected Allende. Not to mention Saddam whom the US helped and supported in the 80s.That doesnt excuse Suleimani or Iran, but it reeks hypocrisy when your side has done the same thing numerous times in its history. Furthermore, Irans strategic and regional interests were far more threatened by the US, Israel and their allies and therefore was no surprise that Suleimani was supporting the groups, insurgents, actors that were useful to his countries interests. Same damn thing the US has been doing throughout its history. Except Iran may have felt their survival far more threatened than the US ever has over the last few decades.
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Sounds like he was akin to Oliver North, supporting the Contras.

Or maybe Kissenger.

Seems he was also fighting side-by-side with US forces in Afghanistan against the Taliban at one point.

And right now the US is siding with Saudi Arabia in Yemen, where the situation is almost the reverse of Iraq, with Iran backing the underdog being bombed by the neighbour who thinks the place should be in their sphere of influence.

Geopolitics is a constantly-shifting mass of moral greyness. I don't see the point in debating the moral status of Sulaimani, It has to just come down to - 'was killing him smart? Did it make the world safer for everyone or even just for Americans?' The answer seems to be 'no'.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Government official? Good grief man. Dude was a complete scumbag terrorist. Why in the fack do you care if the world is down one less scumbag? This is a good thing. If a democrat had ordered the same thing I would say the same thing.
www.google.com

Op-Ed: America just took out a man many consider the world's No. 1 bad guy

The killing of Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani doesn't have the emotional power of the takedown of Osama bin Laden, but taking him out means much more in terms of saving current lives, writes opinion columnist Jake Novak.
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Right wing shills gonna shill.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Government official? Good grief man. Dude was a complete scumbag terrorist. Why in the fack do you care if the world is down one less scumbag? This is a good thing. If a democrat had ordered the same thing I would say the same thing.
www.google.com

Op-Ed: America just took out a man many consider the world's No. 1 bad guy

The killing of Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani doesn't have the emotional power of the takedown of Osama bin Laden, but taking him out means much more in terms of saving current lives, writes opinion columnist Jake Novak.
www.google.com www.google.com
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Maybe so are you? Give us a second to discuss it among ourselves and we will get back to you.... or we will get back to you wink wink.
See the fucking problem?
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Are you an American? Serious question.
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Maybe you're real question... "are you an American who watches Fox, reads Brietbart and Jihadwatch" and ignores all other data that doesnt conform to personal confirmation biases? Nope, thankfully not. Are you a member of the National Socialist Party or have you ever been a member of the National Socialist Party?
 
What an idiot this Hogan guy is. Aside from being wrong on Gaddafi, Bin Laden and Awlaki were not officials representing sovereign nations who would protest their elimination.
 
ShookKnight said:
Obama killed Gaddafi??

WTF.

Gaddafi was killed by a rampaging mob.
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Apply FoxNews viewer\GOP logic
Libya is an African country.
Rampaging mob was African.
Obama is African American.
A rampaging mob of Obama's killed Gaddafi.

Actually, that's a joke.
Most people who watch FoxNews don't know where Libya is.
 
Muse said:
If you are mind boggled, that's your problem. The incredible throngs of sardine-packed Iranians subsequent to the drone attack is ample evidence of the madness in the culture. Dozens die in the stampede. Then they shoot down an airliner taking off from Tehran. They claim dozens killed from their rocket attack, they deny they brought down the airliner. This is sanity? And you're mind boggled. I don't think you have a sense of what's going on.
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At this point you're simply raving.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
I've never had one second of military training.
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That shows in every post you make in this thread......and have absolutely no concept, or don't want to understand, how a SAM missile battery works. They shoot well before they can visualize anything....they work with something called radar, which allows them to "see" well beyond human visual acuity. But you wouldn't know that, would you?
 
Jaskalas said:
Yet social media is huge. I don't think it's about arguing per say, merely about being heard.
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Yes. It's also about distracting oneself from more boring things one has to do, and clarifying to oneself what one actually thinks, I would say. I am well-aware nobody is likely to be influenced by anything I say. I'm not even 100% sure I agree with my own opinions.

[honestly, some things just well-up from somewhere inside, even as the rational part of me wonders whether those views are fully grounded...the trouble is to fully rationally ground everything one thinks would require superhuman levels of cognition, vast amounts of reading and experience, and unlimited time]

There's also just practicing putting words together in a structured way, so as to help stave-off mental decline (though it doesn't seem to work for Trump).
 
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