US strike kills 11 Pakistani soldiers

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
It makes no difference whether Obama or McCain becomes the next U.S. President, they've both indicated that Pakistan's little two-step with their Taliban and al-Qaeda proxies is going to come to an end.

Can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

Well said!

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Why is the "GWOT" more important than the sovereignty of our country? It's not so f*** off.

That's where you're very, very wrong.

You essentially have four choices: (1) destroy the known terrorists yourselves -- including the Taliban, (2) hand all of them over to NATO, (3) suck up your pride and allow/force NATO to come in and take care of the problem themselves, or (4) declare war on NATO and bring the fight.

If you choose to side with, or protect, known terrorists, then you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences of that poor decision.

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

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Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Why is the "GWOT" more important than the sovereignty of our country? It's not so f*** off.

That's where you're very, very wrong.

You essentially have four choices: (1) destroy the known terrorists yourselves -- including the Taliban, (2) hand all of them over to NATO, (3) suck up your pride and allow/force NATO to come in and take care of the problem themselves, or (4) declare war on NATO and bring the fight.

If you choose to side with, or protect, known terrorists, then you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences of that poor decision.

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

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Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

You guys are in Afghanistan BECAUSE of Pakistan, if they hadn't trained and created the Taliban and recognized them and supported them when the whole world cut off all contact with them, the world would have been a much better place.

 

[trenchfoot]

All of this....ALL OF THIS.....brought to you by George Bush and Dick Cheney who diverted our military resources out of Afghanistan so these two pukes could go off on their excellent adventure in IRAQ.

Thank you, Mr. Bush, thank you, Mr. Cheney. Thank you very little for screwing it all up, and NO thank you for a hundred more years of this idiocy.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Why is the "GWOT" more important than the sovereignty of our country? It's not so f*** off.

That's where you're very, very wrong.

You essentially have four choices: (1) destroy the known terrorists yourselves -- including the Taliban, (2) hand all of them over to NATO, (3) suck up your pride and allow/force NATO to come in and take care of the problem themselves, or (4) declare war on NATO and bring the fight.

If you choose to side with, or protect, known terrorists, then you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences of that poor decision.

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

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Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

Every time I read one of your posts, I just sit there and wonder how the US could have produced such an inept and idiotic fool. Your posts are so off the wall, you should just change your name to Moonbeam2. Macro has links programmed into his BDS code, so he has an excuse. You just have no real world logic...it's like you're playing poker but don't even know any of the rules or strategy, so you just guess and postulate your way through it.

Seriously...you're telling someone who's actually F'ing there that he doesn't know what he's talking about, while you have never been there, nor served in any of these environments, yourself.

Do you have any concept of how naive that makes you sound??? Seriously, just stop posting in these type of threads, unless you're doing it for comic relief, then we'll at least know you're not seriously taking these positions...

Chuck

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

Woot! Another post for the Lemon Law Wall of Clueless Shame in my office! Excellent!

Here's your one and only clue son: very soon, the supply routes through Pakistan will no longer be necessary.

 

[Jaskalas]

It confirmed that 11 soldiers were killed including an officer.

Pakistani troops repulsed the Afghan soldiers and the coalition then bombed the area. Coalition aircraft also killed around 15 Taliban militants about a kilometre (half a mile) away, the officials said.

What were Pakistani soldiers doing WITH Taliban militants?

The message is clear ? side with our enemy and you will join them in death.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

Woot! Another post for the Lemon Law Wall of Clueless Shame in my office! Excellent!

Here's your one and only clue son: very soon, the supply routes through Pakistan will no longer be necessary.

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Well either palehorse has secret knowledge of a star trek teleporter device or he may be right, and Nato may be no longer in Afghanistan at all because you succeeded in getting booted out for your arrogances.

Or maybe you think the American people or the larger world will allow you to try to conquer Pakistan or Iran when you and your ilk can't police a wal mart parking lot.

I don't woot put that on my office wall, I use drivel like that for toilet paper. palehorse, more and more you are sounding like you are criminally insane.

 

[jpeyton]

The war in Afghanistan is an example of another conflict we can never win.

Our best hope (similar to Iraq) is to train the local government to be able to protect itself.

No invading army has ever conquered that particular region of the world. If the Taliban want to stay holed-up in it, we can do our best to contain them, and pass off the reigns to the Afghani army in time.

Or we can continue letting our troops rot over there (and in Iraq) eternally.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse
Woot! Another post for the Lemon Law Wall of Clueless Shame in my office! Excellent!

Here's your one and only clue son: very soon, the supply routes through Pakistan will no longer be necessary.

Well either palehorse has secret knowledge of a star trek teleporter device or he may be right, and Nato may be no longer in Afghanistan at all because you succeeded in getting booted out for your arrogances.

Or maybe you think the American people will allow you to try to conquer Pakistan when you and your ilk can't police a wal mart parking lot.

I don't woot put that on my office wall, I use drivel like that for toilet paper. palehorse, more and more you are sounding like you are criminally insane.

You really are a world-class idiot LL.

OSINT FTW.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse
Woot! Another post for the Lemon Law Wall of Clueless Shame in my office! Excellent!

Here's your one and only clue son: very soon, the supply routes through Pakistan will no longer be necessary.

Well either palehorse has secret knowledge of a star trek teleporter device or he may be right, and Nato may be no longer in Afghanistan at all because you succeeded in getting booted out for your arrogances.

Or maybe you think the American people will allow you to try to conquer Pakistan when you and your ilk can't police a wal mart parking lot.

I don't woot put that on my office wall, I use drivel like that for toilet paper. palehorse, more and more you are sounding like you are criminally insane.

You really are a world-class idiot LL.

OSINT FTW.

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In terms of being a world class idiot, you are also in the running. But time will tell which of us is right. But I take some cheer that you and you ilk have been at it for six years now and continue to make negative progress.

And if Pakistan does lose patience with US bumbling in Afghanistan, we will know you as the real world class idiot. You may have some fellow idiots, but thats your problem palehorse, talking to and agreeing with only fellow idiots does not make you a bit smarter.

And ignoring the points of view of those that disagree with you, is the sure road to failure.

There is somewhat of an international firestorm over the deaths of these Pakistanis, and Pakistan is not very happy right now. Like I said before, you are skating on mighty thin ice.

 

[jonks]

Were any of the 11 members of that hill tribe that likes to gang rape girls whose brothers look a little too long at another man's wife?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse
Woot! Another post for the Lemon Law Wall of Clueless Shame in my office! Excellent!

Here's your one and only clue son: very soon, the supply routes through Pakistan will no longer be necessary.

Well either palehorse has secret knowledge of a star trek teleporter device or he may be right, and Nato may be no longer in Afghanistan at all because you succeeded in getting booted out for your arrogances.

Or maybe you think the American people will allow you to try to conquer Pakistan when you and your ilk can't police a wal mart parking lot.

I don't woot put that on my office wall, I use drivel like that for toilet paper. palehorse, more and more you are sounding like you are criminally insane.

You really are a world-class idiot LL.

OSINT FTW.

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In terms of being a world class idiot, you are also in the running. But time will tell which of us is right. But I take some cheer that you and you ilk have been at it for six years now and continue to make negative progress.

And if Pakistan does lose patience with US bumbling in Afghanistan, we will know you as the real world class idiot. You may have some fellow idiots, but thats your problem palehorse, talking to and agreeing with only fellow idiots does not make you a bit smarter.

And ignoring the points of view of those that disagree with you, is the sure road to failure.

There is somewhat of an international firestorm over the deaths of these Pakistanis, and Pakistan is not very happy right now. Like I said before, you are skating on mighty thin ice.

You get completely f'n owned by the facts and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with?! LOL! pathetic...

 

[Aimster]

U.S was wrong

There is nothing to debate about unless u are the usual anti-Muslim thread poster

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see here--palehorse and his ilk have been bumbling in Afghanistan for six years now and on the very verge of losing their only supply line, and palehorse has the unmitigated gall to say------You get completely f'n owned by the facts and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with?! LOL! pathetic...

What part of military 101 don't you understand, lose your supply line and you are kaput. But I guess palehorse thinks he is above mere facts. But as we can see, palehorse seems to think he has superhuman powers, when the only super human powers he has is to alienate everyone with his arrogance and make a comparatively simple military problem much harder. The other fact you ignore is your consistent six year track record of failure, tell me again why we should think you have any credibility.

palehorse, you know nothing about facts or reality.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I know nothing about facts or reality.

fixed... Everyone else here, but you, just laughed at you getting thoroughly fucking owned! Instead of addressing the link I posted, you once again resorted to attacking my personal character and the collective efforts of every US soldier in Afghanistan. :|

So, after this post, I'm finished with responding to your nonsensical baiting bullshit around here... unless you grow up, or wake up, don't expect another response from me in these forums.

/ignore

 

[Lemon law]

Suit yourself palehorse, time will still tell.

But I can give you a rather long list of other countries, including our own, who allowed dangerous idiots like you who thought they were above reality with disastrous consequences.

And you still have not explained your lack of progress after six years. But we can all see the palehorse answer to lack of progress which is to ignore it and deny reality.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets see here--palehorse and his ilk have been bumbling in Afghanistan for six years now and on the very verge of losing their only supply line, and palehorse has the unmitigated gall to say------You get completely f'n owned by the facts and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with?! LOL! pathetic...

What part of military 101 don't you understand, lose your supply line and you are kaput. But I guess palehorse thinks he is above mere facts. But as we can see, palehorse seems to think he has superhuman powers, when the only super human powers he has is to alienate everyone with his arrogance and make a comparatively simple military problem much harder. The other fact you ignore is your consistent six year track record of failure, tell me again why we should think you have any credibility.

palehorse, you know nothing about facts or reality.

In your expert opinion, what are all these 6 years of military, not political, failure?

From my non-military civilian POV, all I'm seeing is Bush not pushing Pakistan enough. At what point do you decide that the country hosting these POS's are purposely - at the least - ambivalent towards taking care of the problem, so you just are going to have to do it yourself, consequences be damned?

Do you really think Pakistan Leadership, or the rest of the world, cares if the US takes out Taliban in Pakistan? They may voice their displeasure - for any number of reasons - however in the end, they won't do a d@mn thing, because in reality, they don't really give two F's.

Your zeal for the US/West to lose is so apperant it's sickening, especially since the actions your country is taking, and is trying to take but encountering resistance from syphathizers in Pakistan, is for the US (read: You)/West's/local population's behalf.

I can just hear you during World War II: "We should embrace Japan's desire for their Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, it's cool, it's not our place to work against what they want to do over there..."

There's being flexible and reasonable, and then there's just being rediculously short sighted. Get glasses, the Coke bottle ones....

Chuck

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Why is the "GWOT" more important than the sovereignty of our country? It's not so f*** off.

That's where you're very, very wrong.

You essentially have four choices: (1) destroy the known terrorists yourselves -- including the Taliban, (2) hand all of them over to NATO, (3) suck up your pride and allow/force NATO to come in and take care of the problem themselves, or (4) declare war on NATO and bring the fight.

If you choose to side with, or protect, known terrorists, then you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences of that poor decision.

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

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Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

You guys are in Afghanistan BECAUSE of Pakistan, if they hadn't trained and created the Taliban and recognized them and supported them when the whole world cut off all contact with them, the world would have been a much better place.

Yup; it would have then been the Socialist Soviet Republic of Afghanistan. Get your facts right. It was the west that was ultimately responsible for the rise of the Taliban following negligence and civil war.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Why is the "GWOT" more important than the sovereignty of our country? It's not so f*** off.

That's where you're very, very wrong.

You essentially have four choices: (1) destroy the known terrorists yourselves -- including the Taliban, (2) hand all of them over to NATO, (3) suck up your pride and allow/force NATO to come in and take care of the problem themselves, or (4) declare war on NATO and bring the fight.

If you choose to side with, or protect, known terrorists, then you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences of that poor decision.

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

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Once more palehorse proves himself a self centered idiot. Here the Pakistanis are helping in the fight and become collateral damage. And palehorse blames the dead Pakistanis. The Green Bean is exactly correct here, another few of those incidents and the public mood inside of Pakistan could turn real anti USA ugly. And Nato may find themselves faced with an ultimatum to get their troops out of Afghanistan in a month or so because Pakistan is terminating permission to use Pakistani territory as a supply route. And thereafter Nato can either seek permission to get supplies through Iran, can trespass across someone's airspace to supply by air, or they get get the hell out because their occupation is no longer viable.

palehorse&fellow idiots, get a clue, Pakistan is a sorveign nation that has lent you a route into Afghanistan and nothing more. And if I were a Pakistani watching you and your ilk bumble around Afghanistan bringing death, anarchy, and ineptness in your wake, I would be damned firm on not permitting you to operate a single inch inside of Pakistan proper.

But to listen to your arrogance, you talk as if the Pakistanis asked you to ride to their rescue which is exactly what did not happen. And then you assert a right to put US boots on the ground inside of Pakistan and if you put that into practice, its Nato that going to be the one that gets the boot. You are skating on mighty thin ice as it is.

Every time I read one of your posts, I just sit there and wonder how the US could have produced such an inept and idiotic fool. Your posts are so off the wall, you should just change your name to Moonbeam2. Macro has links programmed into his BDS code, so he has an excuse. You just have no real world logic...it's like you're playing poker but don't even know any of the rules or strategy, so you just guess and postulate your way through it.

Seriously...you're telling someone who's actually F'ing there that he doesn't know what he's talking about, while you have never been there, nor served in any of these environments, yourself.

Do you have any concept of how naive that makes you sound??? Seriously, just stop posting in these type of threads, unless you're doing it for comic relief, then we'll at least know you're not seriously taking these positions...

Chuck

If you have nothing on-topic to say get the f*** out; don't start personal attacks.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

It confirmed that 11 soldiers were killed including an officer.

Pakistani troops repulsed the Afghan soldiers and the coalition then bombed the area. Coalition aircraft also killed around 15 Taliban militants about a kilometre (half a mile) away, the officials said.

What were Pakistani soldiers doing WITH Taliban militants?

The message is clear ? side with our enemy and you will join them in death.

Don't be arrogant. Once Pakistan stops supporting NATO in Afghanistan there will only be one loser - NATO; without our airspace and supply routes it will be the end of your little campaign in Afghanistan.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The war in Afghanistan is an example of another conflict we can never win.

Just what you love!

 

[mxyzptlk]

bah, an extra paged appeared while i was typing.. 🙁

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

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Don't be arrogant. Once Pakistan stops supporting NATO in Afghanistan there will only be one loser - NATO; without our airspace and supply routes it will be the end of your little campaign in Afghanistan.

Can Pakistan afford to give up the gravy train?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse

So now, try to remain rational, and decide... what's it going to be? (1-4)

My guess is the status quo... #3.

But they can't in anyway possibly hope to actually fight against NATO. It'd be foolish and suicidal. Why would they "rationally" pick one of those? The rational thing to do (to me at least) would be what the pakistani intelligence has been doing.. Do their best to pretend to comply with NATO while still helping their buddies in anyway they can.

No. The best option is #5. Cut off NATO's supply routes and tell them to f*** off. The USA can not afford to start another war; especially not one against a nuclear armed country of 160 million.