US Soldier used Koran for target practice

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
sooo...how many people who are saying this is a bad thing are ok with flag burning?

I'm not O.K. with either.
I guess we need to amend the constitution to outlaw Koran shooting, right?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

Muslims use the Bible as toilet paper

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses

Australia : Muslim Students Urinate, Spit On Then Burn Bible

The Integrity of the Bible according to the Qur'an and the Hadith

when Christians attempt to share their Scriptures with Muslims, Muslim attitudes toward these Scriptures often differ severely. Some Muslims kiss the Injil which the Christian offers them and read it with reverence. Some Muslims forbid their fellow-Muslims to accept it. A few Muslim fathers beat their children who read it. Still other Muslims may burn it or tear it to shreds. Some Muslims receive it politely in order not to offend their Christian friends, but inwardly hold it in contempt. Some Muslims, who sincerely desire to read it, read it in secret, lest other family members taunt them for reading it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/flames.htm">FLAMES AND ASHES OF BIBLES AND CHURCHES
IN SHANTI NAGAR KHANEWAL, PAKISTAN </a>

The press media has been very active to communicate to the masses of the pathetic, horrifying scene where 15 hundered houses, shops, stores and 13 Churches and over 1500 Bibles and hymn books and religious commentaries were burnt into ashes in Shanti Nagar Khanewal, Punjab, Pakistan.

I could go on and on and on.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

I'm sure most Muslims respect the Bible as a religious text important to many people, even though it is not what they believe. Maybe extremists don't, but they are out there anyway.

The point is that treating the Quran with such disdain is highly undiplomatic. It's also just, well, rude. Free speech is great and should remain in effect even when people are offended, but diplomacy is more important in this case. Even if there was no fear of retaliation, it would still be right to apologize. I am sure many non-extremist Muslims were offended by this incident, even if they aren't going to kill someone for it.

When was the last time you saw a "Muslim" apologize for a similar atrocity? Try never, because that would mean raising another?s religion to the level of their own and that goes against everything they believe in!

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Wheezer
sooo...how many people who are saying this is a bad thing are ok with flag burning?

The problem is that our troops are in the line of fire every day.

They're in an Islamic nation as foreign occupiers.

Sure, they can technically shoot whatever book they want.

But the question is, is it really worth shooting the Quran if it inflames the local population and puts your fellow soldiers at higher risk?

They have plenty of things to shoot at over there; shooting at the holiest object in Islam has one simple purpose...to incite anger.

No. I am pretty sure the shooter didn't publicize the act. It was surely for the sake of amusement.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

I'm sure most Muslims respect the Bible as a religious text important to many people, even though it is not what they believe. Maybe extremists don't, but they are out there anyway.

The point is that treating the Quran with such disdain is highly undiplomatic. It's also just, well, rude. Free speech is great and should remain in effect even when people are offended, but diplomacy is more important in this case. Even if there was no fear of retaliation, it would still be right to apologize. I am sure many non-extremist Muslims were offended by this incident, even if they aren't going to kill someone for it.

And many of the non-extremist Muslims do nothing to cure the greatest ill their culture has given the world, radical Islamic terrorism.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

I'm sure most Muslims respect the Bible as a religious text important to many people, even though it is not what they believe. Maybe extremists don't, but they are out there anyway.

The point is that treating the Quran with such disdain is highly undiplomatic. It's also just, well, rude. Free speech is great and should remain in effect even when people are offended, but diplomacy is more important in this case. Even if there was no fear of retaliation, it would still be right to apologize. I am sure many non-extremist Muslims were offended by this incident, even if they aren't going to kill someone for it.

And many of the non-extremist Muslims do nothing to cure the greatest ill their culture has given the world, radical Islamic terrorism.

Many do all they can, many do nothing, so what's your point?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

 

[yllus]

Muslims hold the Bible is very high regard, so any notion that even a large minority of Muslims use the Bible for ______ is ridiculous.

I've always thought that reverence for objects was silly.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

I agree, that's why we have no business being in a country where it does make a difference.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

Muslims use the Bible as toilet paper

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses

Australia : Muslim Students Urinate, Spit On Then Burn Bible

The Integrity of the Bible according to the Qur'an and the Hadith

when Christians attempt to share their Scriptures with Muslims, Muslim attitudes toward these Scriptures often differ severely. Some Muslims kiss the Injil which the Christian offers them and read it with reverence. Some Muslims forbid their fellow-Muslims to accept it. A few Muslim fathers beat their children who read it. Still other Muslims may burn it or tear it to shreds. Some Muslims receive it politely in order not to offend their Christian friends, but inwardly hold it in contempt. Some Muslims, who sincerely desire to read it, read it in secret, lest other family members taunt them for reading it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/flames.htm">FLAMES AND ASHES OF BIBLES AND CHURCHES
IN SHANTI NAGAR KHANEWAL, PAKISTAN </a>

The press media has been very active to communicate to the masses of the pathetic, horrifying scene where 15 hundered houses, shops, stores and 13 Churches and over 1500 Bibles and hymn books and religious commentaries were burnt into ashes in Shanti Nagar Khanewal, Punjab, Pakistan.

I could go on and on and on.

Yet you still haven't said why it is acceptable to do the same to "their" holy book. Don't worry, I don't expect a rational answer from you.

 

[yours truly]

we invade their country, kill their people, and destroy their holy books

please, tell me how we can humiliate and destroy these people any more

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Socio
I have a much bigger problem with everyone being afraid of doing things like this than the actual act of doing it.

They desecrate the Bible all the time, burn them, use the pages as toilet paper etc? the Quran deserves no better whether they like it or not, screw them!

That's a mature, reasonable look at it - "but they do it too!!!!!!" :roll:

Can someone SHOW me these instances where they are all the time using the bible's pages at toilet paper, burning them, etc? Again - this is not my words, this is his.

He is making up his fantasy and we need to challenge that.

I'm sure most Muslims respect the Bible as a religious text important to many people, even though it is not what they believe. Maybe extremists don't, but they are out there anyway.

The point is that treating the Quran with such disdain is highly undiplomatic. It's also just, well, rude. Free speech is great and should remain in effect even when people are offended, but diplomacy is more important in this case. Even if there was no fear of retaliation, it would still be right to apologize. I am sure many non-extremist Muslims were offended by this incident, even if they aren't going to kill someone for it.

And many of the non-extremist Muslims do nothing to cure the greatest ill their culture has given the world, radical Islamic terrorism.

US Citizens voted Bush and his Radical Neocon Terrorists into POWER twice

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Socio
5 examples, he could probably come up with 10 more

This is indicative of "all the time"? When we refer to Muslims , a community somewhere between 1-1.8 Billion (according to Wiki), you are telling me a few examples - where a couple occur in Gaza/WestBank where life is like shit is indicative of the actions of others?

Using your own links - the muslims that tore up the Bible as toilet Paper; the people you want to emphasize as being muslims, are the same people who also guzzled all the alcohol in the Church.

In your link from Austrialia - it DIRECTLY says the students who did this were NOT just expelled, but their was a lecturer brought in telling these students that Christianity and the Buble MUST be respected, and followed through an "unconditional apology" with 22 teachers signing a petition to express "anguish and dismay".

I love how on your link of the "Integrity of the ...." you highlight a sentence that "Other Muslims may burn it or tear it to shreds" as if this is definitive proof. That article is pretty much shit because it relies on general human behavior and casts it as characteristic of Muslims that are secret to all. Once can replace ANY religious group in those
"Some ____ receive it politely in order to not offend their ____ friends, but inwardly hold it in contempt". Are you telling me that people in this world can appear to be....FAKE?This is amazing.

I will tell you right now as a Muslim that ANY respectable action towards the Bible or Christianity is WRONG and I apologize for any of these people's actions ( you know...people I've never SEEN...MET...or HEARD about till now). It is all 100% wrong and can never be justified, and I don't pretend to do such. Quite a few of your links are cherry picked for your quotes (even in the latter post in Pakistan it refers to more information from MUSLIMS who wanted to remain anonymous) to make it seem as if all Muslims support these acts and are reveling in what is going on.

Again - this is proof that there are idiots out there - and its impossible to expect any group of people (especially one with ~1.5 Billion followers) to be devoid of idiots but in no way does this indicate what you try to espouse.

Interestingly enough, you easily fit into the mold of the Islamic Terrorist mindset. He will see this incident, which appears to be isolated with one stupid soldier - and a militarily apparatus that not only apologized for what happened and sent the soldier back home while still presented another Quran as an offering - as one of how Christianity seeks to kill, destroy, and rape all Muslims. He'll run around trying to pass it off as proof that can't be ignored. I can only hope he runs into people with brains who are not sheep.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
we invade their country, kill their people, and destroy their holy books

please, tell me how we can humiliate and destroy these people any more

Menstrual blood fire hose.

 

[arkcom]

I wonder how many Korans Muslims destroy in their various bombings.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: arkcom
I wonder how many Korans Muslims destroy in their various bombings.

It's undoubtable that some innocents, including young children, must have died in our initial strikes against Iraq, when the war began. So by your logic, this is no different than using a child for target practice... right?

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: arkcom
I wonder how many Korans Muslims destroy in their various bombings.

It's undoubtable that some innocents, including young children, must have died in our initial strikes against Iraq, when the war began. So by your logic, this is no different than using a child for target practice... right?

Start with the non-moving targets.

Seriously, I was thinking in the other direction, i.e. if humanity wasn't destroying each other we could save some Korans.

 

[BoomerD]

Personally, I don't care if he used the Koran for toilet paper...it's a fucking book...not Allah's robes, BUT, it is sure to inflame the locals and create more problems for the troops.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Many do all they can, many do nothing, so what's your point?

God, learn to think someday. The point is that a great many Muslims don't respect the Bible, and that we should give a shit about the feelings of even fewer, i.e. the ones who don't explicitly or implicitly support terrorism.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: punchkin
And many of the non-extremist Muslims do nothing to cure the greatest ill their culture has given the world, radical Islamic terrorism.

US Citizens voted Bush and his Radical Neocon Terrorists into POWER twice

This was certainly not the wisest choice... but they have had a worldwide impact on terrorism, and are certainly not "Radical Neocon Terrorists".

 

[ericlp]

Well, anyone here have a problem if he used a puppy?


I dunno... Koran, puppy, bible... Who the hell cares I guess...

 

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I wonder if there is going to be a backlash

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of freedom of expression, stupid acts like this can only cost US lives...

When you have 100k troop, someone will do stupid acts like raping local town girls in Japan, shooting at Koran, or taking pictures while torturing prisoners. It is a matter of probability. I am sure every single large organization has problems like this.

Just punish the soldiers and be done with it. What do they expect us to do? Kill the guy? I think a few days of military prison or dishonorable discharge afterward is good enough.

 

[punchkin]

Out of curiosity, what crime did the soldier commit? Not following a vague general order not to piss off the locals? The CNN article says that he was "found guilty" and redeployed, but does not speak of any punishment. Guilty of what? "Acts unbecoming a solider"? If he was punished on such a vague basis, he certainly does not deserve a dishonorable discharge. He harmed no one, though he caused a PR embarrassment.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: PandaBear
Just punish the soldiers and be done with it. What do they expect us to do? Kill the guy? I think a few days of military prison or dishonorable discharge afterward is good enough.

Dishonorable discharge or prison? You must be kidding. Either one would ruin this soldier's life, and for what? Over a book?

 

[alchemize]

Now that the pussification of America is complete, the military must be pussified also.

"I come before you here seeking your forgiveness," Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond was quoted as saying. "In the most humble manner I look in your eyes today and I say please forgive me and my soldiers."