US soldier throws puppy off cliff

[adlep]

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I am really confused. Instead of typing these stuff, he should be preparing his defense.

Also, I am not defending this guy, but he must be really, really sick...
It is prolly just a tip on an iceberg...

The source:

"And this is the sh** I have to put up with everywhere I've gone today. Believe me I've heard it all. The thing that you guys don't understand is that you're not out there.
What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we're not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn't medicine available for animals out there? So what the f*** do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.
Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being 'creative' that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that."

 

[adlep]

Hi!

This dude is really really sick IMO. Also, he did it.

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[Soundmanred]

This needed a new thread why?

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: Soundmanred
This needed a new thread why?

To put a nail in the coffin I guess...
There are a lot of people who dismissed the video as fake outright...
So, here you have it...

Edit: "The source" seems to be implying that the animal abuse is common (?) in Iraq.

Usually what happens is we shoot them

The moral of the story is that, all set and done there will be a lot of really messed up people coming back from Iraq.
IMO, it is much worst over there than in Vietnam. In Vietnam at least they had drugs and cheap/good lucking women. There are no such luxuries in Iraq, so the aggression keeps accumulating.

 

[ProfJohn]

Your "proof" sucks.

It could be real, but it could also be fake.

Let's wait till the military comes out with its report or we hear this from a 'real' news source.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Your "proof" sucks.

It could be real, but it could also be fake.

Let's wait till the military comes out with its report or we hear this from a 'real' news source.

EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND SIT TIGHT. WE MUST HEAR FROM THE GENERALS ON THE GROUND.

 

[KrispyKreme50]

I would think that with violence against humans still prevalent in Iraq one of the last things people should care about is violence toward animals.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Your "proof" sucks.

It could be real, but it could also be fake.

Let's wait till the military comes out with its report or we hear this from a 'real' news source.

It is not "my proof"...
The likelihood of this affair being just a hoax is decreasing minute after minute.
I too wish btw that it is just a sick prank.
However, given all the info so far, the "real investigation" will be swift and it will be a PR nightmare for US military...

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
I would think that with violence against humans still prevalent in Iraq one of the last things people should care about is violence toward animals.

It is other way around.

The violence against the animals is a first indicator of a serious and a dangerous mental problems.
The vast majority of the serial killers for example started "playing" with animals at first.

Furthermore,
The animals are like little jewels. They have a short time here on earth before they have to go.
They also have no voice and they love humans unconditionally. There is absolutely no reason to kill them for fun.

 

[Farang]

A couple of years ago I saw a video of a group of Marines dangling a bottle of water out the back of their moving vehicle. A few children chased after it, and one boy was left running for maybe a half mile or so, begging for the bottle. Then a few other kids saw it and ran with him. The Marines were laughing and eventually tossed the bottle, and the kid who had ran the whole time didn't end up getting it. That was funny to them.

But you kill one fucking dog and it actually gets a response. There is much worse stuff going on over there, get over it. That kid probably deals with shit you couldn't imagine and if killing a dog lets him release his stress without killing people, then more power to him. I've never been in that situation and can't say how I would react. What I do know is that situations like I described are worth getting upset about because they ruin the imagine of soldiers in the eyes of Iraqis, this puppy incident only ruins their image for spoiled Americans.

 

[KrispyKreme50]

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
I would think that with violence against humans still prevalent in Iraq one of the last things people should care about is violence toward animals.

It is other way around.

The violence against the animals is a first indicator of a serious and a dangerous mental problems.
The vast majority of the serial killers for example started "playing" with animals at first.

Furthermore,
The animals are like little jewels. They have a short time here on earth before they have to go.
They also have no voice and they love humans unconditionally. There is absolutely no reason to kill them for fun.

Can you show me proof that serial killers started out this way? I'm not saying that you're lying, but it would seem that documentation would exist to prove this if it really were the case.

For your second point, I have to say that plenty of animals get killed everyday by other animals for food. This is the harsh reality of nature, and the time these animals get to spend on earth is even shorter. While animal cruelty should not be condoned, my point here is that your description is an idealistic account of dogs. To me, human life will always be greater than an animal's life, and society should prioritize our limited resources to bring justice to murderers instead of punishing people who engage in animal cruelty.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: Farang

But you kill one fucking dog and it actually gets a response. There is much worse stuff going on over there, get over it. That kid probably deals with shit you couldn't imagine and if killing a dog lets him release his stress without killing people, then more power to him. I've never been in that situation and can't say how I would react. What I do know is that situations like I described are worth getting upset about because they ruin the imagine of soldiers in the eyes of Iraqis, this puppy incident only ruins their image for spoiled Americans.

Again, the extreme animal cruelty is not a stress releaser. It is actually an indicator of a serious sociopathic disorder that will get worst. A this point, without a proper care and treatment this soldier will end up killing himself or some other people.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
I would think that with violence against humans still prevalent in Iraq one of the last things people should care about is violence toward animals.

But the dog doesn't look like an Arab.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
I would think that with violence against humans still prevalent in Iraq one of the last things people should care about is violence toward animals.

It is other way around.

The violence against the animals is a first indicator of a serious and a dangerous mental problems.
The vast majority of the serial killers for example started "playing" with animals at first.

Furthermore,
The animals are like little jewels. They have a short time here on earth before they have to go.
They also have no voice and they love humans unconditionally. There is absolutely no reason to kill them for fun.

For your second point, I have to say that plenty of animals get killed everyday by other animals for food. This is the harsh reality of nature, and the time these animals get to spend on earth is even shorter. While animal cruelty should not be condoned, my point here is that your description is an idealistic account of dogs. To me, human life will always be greater than an animal's life, and society should prioritize our limited resources to bring justice to murderers instead of punishing people who engage in animal cruelty.

Christ,
Killing != to animal cruelty as it can be done quickly and in a humane way. Killing an animal for food serves a purpose. Killing an animal for fun is a very dangerous indicator of a mental sickness.

instead of punishing people who engage in animal cruelty.

Are U saying that the animal abuse should not be punished?

Just keep writing people....
:disgust:

Can you show me proof that serial killers started out this way? I'm not saying that you're lying, but it would seem that documentation would exist to prove this if it really were the case.

Google is your friend. Takes about 30 seconds as the links about that subject are very common, just ask Google, read the material, think, and come back.
Also, why do you argue with something such obvious? There is no need for that.
Are you going to ask me to provide you with the links that PROVE that looking directly at the sun causes blindness?

 

[GrGr]

A large percentage of the returning vets are expected to be mentally disturbed by their experiences.

Many of them will suicide or worse.

But it is the puppy that gets the huge outcry of empathy.

 

[KrispyKreme50]

adlep, I did not state that people who engage in animal cruelty should never be punished under any circumstance as you seem to imply. Rather, I stated that since resources are limited (number of prosecutors, courts, etc...), our time is better spent on people who violate the sanctity of human life. In a perfect world, all people who are cruel to animals would be prosecuted, but that is not the case in reality, and as such, we must set our priorities.

I also looked up infomation about animal cruelty and murders as you suggested. Indeed, there are some murderers who first engaged in animal cruelty. However, the reason why I asked for documentation in the first place was because you stated that the vast majority started out this way. Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
adlep, I did not state that people who engage in animal cruelty should never be punished under any circumstance as you seem to imply. Rather, I stated that since resources are limited (number of prosecutors, courts, etc...), our time is better spent on people who violate the sanctity of human life. In a perfect world, all people who are cruel to animals would be prosecuted, but that is not the case in reality, and as such, we must set our priorities.

I also looked up infomation about animal cruelty and murders as you suggested. Indeed, there are some murderers who first engaged in animal cruelty. However, the reason why I asked for documentation in the first place was because you stated that the vast majority started out this way. Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

I understand your point about the first part. Your point is taken.

Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

We like to argue on teh Internets, aren't we?

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Link1

That took about 2 minutes.

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* The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers.
* National and state studies determined that from 54 to 71 percent of women seeking shelter reported that their partners had threatened, injured or killed one or more family pets (Anicare Model workshop, Tacoma 2004). If children are victims of domestic violence they may in turn represent that abuse with an animal, the only being they feel they can control.
* In assessing youth who are at risk of committing interpersonal violence, the U.S. Department of Justice emphasizes the importance of including information about past animal abuse.
* More than 80 percent of families being treated for child abuse were also involved in animal abuse. In 2/3 of the cases, the abusive parent killed or injured the pet. Sadly, in 1/3 of the cases, a child victim continued the cycle of violence by abusing a pet.
* A study in 1997 by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern University found that 70 percent of all animal abusers have committed at least one other criminal offense and that almost 40 percent had committed violent crimes against people. They also found that over a 20-year period, a group of individuals who had abused animals as youths were five times more likely to commit violent crimes, four times more likely to commit property crimes and three times more likely to have drug or disorderly conduct offenses than a matched group of non animal abusers.

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Link2

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Although I'm a huge animal lover, I agree and understand where the soldier is coming from. He was in a war zone, not in his backyard. There's a big difference.

 

[Agentbolt]

Just ignore the fucking thing. Who said anything about carrying it back to his base? They're supposed to just ignore strays out there. Never mind the fact that if that's him, he's trying to pawn off having done it as some kind of "mercy" thing to the dog, instead of just clowning around with his retarded meathead friend.

I really hope it's actually him who replied. He's going to burn for this (Marines are going to make a huge example out of him for PR purposes) and it'll make it easier to find him. It's not going to stop clueless assholes like JohnofSheffield from shooting them on sight, but at least maybe it'll make some inbred hick marine think twice before throwing one off a cliff to let it possibly die slowly from broken bones and internal bleeding.

 

[KrispyKreme50]

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
adlep, I did not state that people who engage in animal cruelty should never be punished under any circumstance as you seem to imply. Rather, I stated that since resources are limited (number of prosecutors, courts, etc...), our time is better spent on people who violate the sanctity of human life. In a perfect world, all people who are cruel to animals would be prosecuted, but that is not the case in reality, and as such, we must set our priorities.

I also looked up infomation about animal cruelty and murders as you suggested. Indeed, there are some murderers who first engaged in animal cruelty. However, the reason why I asked for documentation in the first place was because you stated that the vast majority started out this way. Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

I understand your point about the first part. Your point is taken.

Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

We like to argue on teh Internets, aren't we?

1.
Link1

That took about 2 minutes.

2.
* The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers.
* National and state studies determined that from 54 to 71 percent of women seeking shelter reported that their partners had threatened, injured or killed one or more family pets (Anicare Model workshop, Tacoma 2004). If children are victims of domestic violence they may in turn represent that abuse with an animal, the only being they feel they can control.
* In assessing youth who are at risk of committing interpersonal violence, the U.S. Department of Justice emphasizes the importance of including information about past animal abuse.
* More than 80 percent of families being treated for child abuse were also involved in animal abuse. In 2/3 of the cases, the abusive parent killed or injured the pet. Sadly, in 1/3 of the cases, a child victim continued the cycle of violence by abusing a pet.
* A study in 1997 by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern University found that 70 percent of all animal abusers have committed at least one other criminal offense and that almost 40 percent had committed violent crimes against people. They also found that over a 20-year period, a group of individuals who had abused animals as youths were five times more likely to commit violent crimes, four times more likely to commit property crimes and three times more likely to have drug or disorderly conduct offenses than a matched group of non animal abusers.

3.
Link2

Thanks, that's the information I was looking for adlep. Your point is well taken.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: KrispyKreme50
adlep, I did not state that people who engage in animal cruelty should never be punished under any circumstance as you seem to imply. Rather, I stated that since resources are limited (number of prosecutors, courts, etc...), our time is better spent on people who violate the sanctity of human life. In a perfect world, all people who are cruel to animals would be prosecuted, but that is not the case in reality, and as such, we must set our priorities.

I also looked up infomation about animal cruelty and murders as you suggested. Indeed, there are some murderers who first engaged in animal cruelty. However, the reason why I asked for documentation in the first place was because you stated that the vast majority started out this way. Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

I understand your point about the first part. Your point is taken.

Can you kindly point me to any sources that prove this to be the case?

We like to argue on teh Internets, aren't we?

1.
Link1

That took about 2 minutes.

2.
* The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers.
* National and state studies determined that from 54 to 71 percent of women seeking shelter reported that their partners had threatened, injured or killed one or more family pets (Anicare Model workshop, Tacoma 2004). If children are victims of domestic violence they may in turn represent that abuse with an animal, the only being they feel they can control.
* In assessing youth who are at risk of committing interpersonal violence, the U.S. Department of Justice emphasizes the importance of including information about past animal abuse.
* More than 80 percent of families being treated for child abuse were also involved in animal abuse. In 2/3 of the cases, the abusive parent killed or injured the pet. Sadly, in 1/3 of the cases, a child victim continued the cycle of violence by abusing a pet.
* A study in 1997 by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern University found that 70 percent of all animal abusers have committed at least one other criminal offense and that almost 40 percent had committed violent crimes against people. They also found that over a 20-year period, a group of individuals who had abused animals as youths were five times more likely to commit violent crimes, four times more likely to commit property crimes and three times more likely to have drug or disorderly conduct offenses than a matched group of non animal abusers.

3.
Link2

Thanks, that's the information I was looking for adlep. Your point is well taken.

NP,
This is a situation where I am not really enjoying being right
🙁
Some more links:

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Really strong link -> Sad to read

 

[kylebisme]

I wonder if any of his commanding officers knew about his psychopathic behavior. I doubt we will find out if any did though, and I'd be suppressed if the guy filming even gets a slap on the wrist for not reporting it.

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: adlep
In Vietnam at least they had drugs and cheap/good lucking women. There are no such luxuries in Iraq, so the aggression keeps accumulating.

Yeah, LSD and whores did wonders for Vietnam vets. War is hell, and a dehumanized generation has never been good for any society.

 

[Analog]

Motari: "And this is the sh** I have to put up with everywhere I've gone today. Believe me I've heard it all. The thing that you guys don't understand is that you're not out there.

What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we're not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn't medicine available for animals out there? So what the f*** do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.

Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being 'creative' that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that."

 

[Analog]

Marine Corps Base Hawaii statement of Internet video of Marine with puppy

The video images depicting a United States Marine abusing a puppy are disturbing and contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine.

This matter is currently under investigation to confirm the authenticity of the video and the persons responsible for the video. Upon completion of the investigation, it will be reviewed by each Marine?s commander who will determine the appropriate action to take in each case.

In the event that any Marine is charged with an offense, he will be afforded the constitutional and due process protections guaranteed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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If you would like to leave a comment for Marine Corps Base Hawaii please click on the link provided below. Your statement will be complied in a database for use regarding this situation.[/u]

http://www.mcbh.usmc.mil/pao/p...H_Statement_5Mar08.htm