US soldier throws puppy off cliff

[Nitemare]

His bebo screen shots before he took them private
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[TallBill]

It's a puppy.... Sure it's not normal but neither is crying over a puppy.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
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Front page on Foxnews.. :Q

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
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CNN has it now also... well you can say that douche is fried now..

Oh man... That guy is owned now...

Damn. But what if it's fake? Would the person who did it be up for any disciplinary action?

I really don't think its fake for the fact that I don't think those marines would go through all that trouble (editing/etc) to show them throwing a puppy off a cliff? I mean wtf ...that doesn't make sense. Like the video that was posted a few weeks ago showing the guy jumping off a building and then getting up and walking away...at least that's somewhat cool. This video is just disgusting...it makes no sense that someone would FAKE something like this.

have you never seen a horror movie, especially the more recent crop?

even if you don't think that counts, people are fucked up...

People who create those movies have imaginations that help them pay the bills. This "Marine" did something that even when done in movies is looked at as fuckin sick, except he might have really done it. And it sure as hell wasn't going to provide him any financial gain. Maybe a little notoriety, but not the kind that people want. Even if its proven to be fake he's not gonna be looked at as a hero or a creative genious. Far from it..

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: TallBill
It's a puppy.... Sure it's not normal but neither is crying over a puppy.

No one is crying, we are expressing outrage at the fact that someone who is supposed to be living by the code of the Marines, someone we sent to represent our Country & the basic principles that this nation is built on is going against everything they stand for.

 

[Randum]

sick. something is wrong in your head when you abuse animals. generally someome who has some identity issues. every night they have to live with themselves, and they can't...

special place in hell for them.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...news/main3108597.shtml

you don't have to be a convicted felon to be a criminal gangsta in the military :roll:

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

Hah, well obviously it is not common fact if you are arguing it. So I changed my phrasing.

"A single felony requires a waiver. More than one felonies are disqualifying, and no waiver is authorized."

But I believe recently that it's becoming a bit more easy due to the fact that I guess we don't mind more men and women signing up, whatever their past may have entailed.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: TallBill
It's a puppy.... Sure it's not normal but neither is crying over a puppy.

I actually care more for an innocent puppy's life than the life of a person who has become blinded by their faith and wants to kill any and all non-believers and infidels.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TallBill
It's a puppy.... Sure it's not normal but neither is crying over a puppy.

I sure hope you haven't gotten yourself to be like him. That'd be more fuel for the flamers that say war makes men cold and emotionless machines (on and off the battlefield).

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: TallBill
It's a puppy.... Sure it's not normal but neither is crying over a puppy.

I'll cry when my dogs pass away. Won't shed a tear when you do.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

Hah, well obviously it is not common fact if you are arguing it. So I changed my phrasing.

"A single felony requires a waiver. More than one felonies are disqualifying, and no waiver is authorized."

But I believe recently that it's becoming a bit more easy due to the fact that I guess we don't mind more men and women signing up, whatever their past may have entailed.

So you are saying you have proof that the military is actively issuing waivers to felons?

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

Hah, well obviously it is not common fact if you are arguing it. So I changed my phrasing.

"A single felony requires a waiver. More than one felonies are disqualifying, and no waiver is authorized."

But I believe recently that it's becoming a bit more easy due to the fact that I guess we don't mind more men and women signing up, whatever their past may have entailed.

So you are saying you have proof that the military is actively issuing waivers to felons?

Actually I know of two such cases. Two of my close friends from high school who went down the wrong path instead of going to college or getting a job - signed up for the Marines after their encounters with the law. One of them got discharged (who woulda thought??) and one is in Iraq.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

Hah, well obviously it is not common fact if you are arguing it. So I changed my phrasing.

"A single felony requires a waiver. More than one felonies are disqualifying, and no waiver is authorized."

But I believe recently that it's becoming a bit more easy due to the fact that I guess we don't mind more men and women signing up, whatever their past may have entailed.

So you are saying you have proof that the military is actively issuing waivers to felons?

Actually I know of two such cases. Two of my close friends from high school who went down the wrong path instead of going to college or getting a job - signed up for the Marines after their encounters with the law. One of them got discharged (who woulda thought??) and one is in Iraq.

And you are sure they are convicted felons? I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Phokus
Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.

Do you have proof of this, or you just making this shit up? :roll:

I'm pretty sure that if you are a convicted felon, on your way to jail, just got out of jail the Marines have no problems letting you in their ranks. Not that it is a bad thing, but what the OP is saying I believe is that maybe there should be a better screening process for who is allowed to join our nation's "few and proud"...

Nice edit - "It's common fact", lol.

You would be wrong if you think you are a convicted felon you can join any US armed service.

Hah, well obviously it is not common fact if you are arguing it. So I changed my phrasing.

"A single felony requires a waiver. More than one felonies are disqualifying, and no waiver is authorized."

But I believe recently that it's becoming a bit more easy due to the fact that I guess we don't mind more men and women signing up, whatever their past may have entailed.

So you are saying you have proof that the military is actively issuing waivers to felons?

Actually I know of two such cases. Two of my close friends from high school who went down the wrong path instead of going to college or getting a job - signed up for the Marines after their encounters with the law. One of them got discharged (who woulda thought??) and one is in Iraq.

And you are sure they are convicted felons? I find that very hard to believe.

"17% of all recruits who entered the Army in 2005 were entered with "waivers". This means they had something that disqualified them from service but the Army decided to waiver that requirement. There are examples of domestic abuse people, drug addicts and other convicts getting into the military. "

http://polybius.blogs.com/left...2/the_army_is_tak.html

"The number of convicted felons who enlisted in the U.S. military almost doubled in the past three years, rising from 824 felons in fiscal year 2004 to 1,605 in fiscal year 2006, according to a new study... The data indicate that from 2003 through 2006, the military allowed 4,230 convicted felons to enlist under the "moral waivers" program, which enables otherwise unqualified candidates to serve. "

http://www.palmcenter.org/pres..._of_felons_has_doubled

Are we done here? Or would you like some video confessions from my buddies of their felonies and enlistment in the Marines?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: destrekor

I sure hope you haven't gotten yourself to be like him. That'd be more fuel for the flamers that say war makes men cold and emotionless machines (on and off the battlefield).

Sigh.. I have not killed any puppies but could care less if anyone else does. War does tend to make emotion disappear. I've seen and laughed at a lot of stuff that "regular" people would probably be disgusted at. No need to call them flamers, the military is a machine. I'm sure that this guy will be given an article 15 according to regulation just like a few of my buddies got for shooting a few dogs.

Originally posted by: Josh

No one is crying, we are expressing outrage at the fact that someone who is supposed to be living by the code of the Marines, someone we sent to represent our Country & the basic principles that this nation is built on is going against everything they stand for.

Yes, outrage over a puppy. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the principles that our nation was built on. If he murdered some innocents then maybe I'd follow, but he didn't. He killed a puppy.

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

I'll cry when my dogs pass away. Won't shed a tear when you do.

I wouldn't expect you to cry when I die. You don't even know me.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: Josh

"17% of all recruits who entered the Army in 2005 were entered with "waivers". This means they had something that disqualified them from service but the Army decided to waiver that requirement. There are examples of domestic abuse people, drug addicts and other convicts getting into the military. "

http://polybius.blogs.com/left...2/the_army_is_tak.html

"The number of convicted felons who enlisted in the U.S. military almost doubled in the past three years, rising from 824 felons in fiscal year 2004 to 1,605 in fiscal year 2006, according to a new study... The data indicate that from 2003 through 2006, the military allowed 4,230 convicted felons to enlist under the "moral waivers" program, which enables otherwise unqualified candidates to serve. "

http://www.palmcenter.org/pres..._of_felons_has_doubled

Are we done here? Or would you like some video confessions from my buddies of their felonies and enlistment in the Marines?

I take umbrage with the first fact, which I couldn't verify on the site you posted.

17% of all recruits who entered the Army in 2005 were entered with "waivers

There are more than just waivers for felony convictions. Hell, when I joined I had to sign a weight waiver because I was overweight when I went to bootcamp.

I have a very hard time believing that the entire 17% cited is all felony conviction waivers.

Originally posted by: Tallbill

Yes, outrage over a puppy. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the principles that our nation was built on. If he murdered some innocents then maybe I'd follow, but he didn't. He killed a puppy.

Maybe the notion that we should be protecting and preserving life, not destroying it.

 

[Josh]

Yes, outrage over a puppy. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the principles that our nation was built on. If he murdered some innocents then maybe I'd follow, but he didn't. He killed a puppy.

The principle of being a morally just/sane person.

 

[Safeway]

Sigh, this thread has gone to shit about 11 times now.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Josh

"17% of all recruits who entered the Army in 2005 were entered with "waivers". This means they had something that disqualified them from service but the Army decided to waiver that requirement. There are examples of domestic abuse people, drug addicts and other convicts getting into the military. "

http://polybius.blogs.com/left...2/the_army_is_tak.html

"The number of convicted felons who enlisted in the U.S. military almost doubled in the past three years, rising from 824 felons in fiscal year 2004 to 1,605 in fiscal year 2006, according to a new study... The data indicate that from 2003 through 2006, the military allowed 4,230 convicted felons to enlist under the "moral waivers" program, which enables otherwise unqualified candidates to serve. "

http://www.palmcenter.org/pres..._of_felons_has_doubled

Are we done here? Or would you like some video confessions from my buddies of their felonies and enlistment in the Marines?

I take umbrage with the first fact, which I couldn't verify on the site you posted.

17% of all recruits who entered the Army in 2005 were entered with "waivers

There are more than just waivers for felony convictions. Hell, when I joined I had to sign a weight waiver because I was overweight when I went to bootcamp.

I have a very hard time believing that the entire 17% cited is all felony conviction waivers.

Didn't state that they were all waivers for felony convictions, but I'm positive some were. Either way obviously convicted felons our within our nation's troops whether you like it or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6361281.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXkQHuuZN0

"The Army Recruiting Command said "moral" waivers for 1,620 felons were approved in the 2007 federal fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30. That was far above the 2006 mark of 1,002. "

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi...dart.cgi?ArtNum=202979

This was all in response to Drako's post:

"And you are sure they are convicted felons? I find that very hard to believe. "

I wasn't trying to argue exactly how many are convicted felons/what percentage/etc, just stating that it DOES happen.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Josh

Yes, outrage over a puppy. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the principles that our nation was built on. If he murdered some innocents then maybe I'd follow, but he didn't. He killed a puppy.

The principle of being a morally just/sane person.

Yes, well you do lose some sanity after being in the sandbox for months on end. For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No. Shit happens over there. He should be punished according to the UCMJ and next time not video tape when he does something stupid like that.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: destrekor

I sure hope you haven't gotten yourself to be like him. That'd be more fuel for the flamers that say war makes men cold and emotionless machines (on and off the battlefield).

Sigh.. I have not killed any puppies but could care less if anyone else does. War does tend to make emotion disappear. I've seen and laughed at a lot of stuff that "regular" people would probably be disgusted at. No need to call them flamers, the military is a machine. I'm sure that this guy will be given an article 15 according to regulation just like a few of my buddies got for shooting a few dogs.

As it should be. I certainly don't get down on the military for stuff like this. As you say, emotion disappears, the machine takes over and the very nature of violent conflict introduces sick senses of humor. However, I do think it's appropriate that these individuals be identified and discharged under article 15 when it happens, because they've crossed the line between mental stability and sickness, and are no longer fit for the fight (if only because the nature of their duty, equipment for the job, and the risk to civilians, fellow soldiers and their missions). In short: they've lost it.

 

[Tempered81]

throwing a dog off a cliff is obviously wrong. Karma should catch up to him one way or another. This video spreading all over the web will help kick-start that.

It would be funny if it was all photoshopped / premiere w/e, and after the soldier threw the dog, the giant korean from rush hour 3 threw the soldier off the cliff.