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US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

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Bitek said:
So instead of 2122 dead, we could have had many more boys captured instead, fed and clothed by the enemy at their expense, had more to trade for, and in the end had more boys going home to their families?


The down side is what now?





Did I miss the part where these guys had super powers? Faster than bullets? Hulk strength? Ohs noes, it's pajama-clad psychotic goatherders who've spent the last decade rotting in a cage in Cuba! Were all doomed.

If were just making up shit, let's say obama implanted tracking devices in their skin and he'll send drones after them and all their terror buddies in their secret bat caves.
Stop being such a panty wetter.
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The facts remain. I repeat. The facts remain.
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
Fact #1: The Taliban is not a terrorist organization.
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Fact #1: One of the Taliban given up for Bergdahl was wanted by the U.N. for war crimes. He was accused of being responsible overseeing the massacre of thousands of Shiites. I think you can safely say the Taliban were very effective in terrorizing the population of Afghanistan.

https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/af/us9af-000007dp.pdf

GarfieldtheCat said:
Fact #2 The US has for DECADES negotiated with tons of unsavory people, never heard you complain before
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Fact #2 Just because a previous administration did something does not excuse the current administration. By that logic you cant really complain about Bush getting us into Iraq.... I mean after all LBJ (a democrat) escalated U.S. involvement in Vietnam because of a second attack in the gulf of Tonkin that never happened.

And you don't have your ambassador to the U.N. lying about Bergdahl on TV.


GarfieldtheCat said:
Fact #3 Bergdahl was a POW and is innocent until proven guilty.
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Fact #3 The pentagon already concluded in 2010 that he deserted his post. He did not serve with distinction and honor.


GarfieldtheCat said:
So Fern, how about manning up and showing proof that anything I said was wrong?
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If he showed you would you read it with an open mind?
 
UberNeuman said:
I'll give you a big "IF". IF all the accusations have merit - do you not want Bergdahl to face trial in the U.S.?
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A defer to the judgement of his squad mates. They were in Afghanistan and served with Bergdahl. The link I gave corroborates a lot of the accusations put forth by those in his squad.

If that and the latest round of accusations are true.... I would rather he stayed with his new found comrades.
 
Fern said:
No. As I made clear I'm OK paying them to kill other bad guys, but I'm not OK with paying them to take us hostage.
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Gotcha. You are ok with paying them to stop shooting at us, but not ok with negotiating over captives. Baffling.

You mean Iran Contra?

I didn't "feel" anything. I didn't know about it. I was living in Europe with no access to US (or even English language) news. By the time I returned that wasn't in the news and Clinton was President.

Fern
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How do you feel about it now in relation to this?
 
rudder said:
A defer to the judgement of his squad mates. They were in Afghanistan and served with Bergdahl. The link I gave corroborates a lot of the accusations put forth by those in his squad.

If that and the latest round of accusations are true.... I would rather he stayed with his new found comrades.
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So, even if you believe Bergdahl is guilty of desertion and taking ranks with the enemy, in that it may have lead to the death of those that may have been searching for him - you are telling me that you don't want him to be brought to justice?
 
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UberNeuman said:
So, even if you believe Bergdahl is guilty of desertion and taking ranks with the enemy, in that it may have lead to the death of those that may have been searching for him - you are telling me that you don't want him to be brought to justice?
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Sure but if it means giving up top taliban commanders or losing some special forces soldiers in a rescue attempt... no. He can rot in Afghanistan.
 
spidey07 said:
The facts remain. I repeat. The facts remain.
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UberNeuman said:
The President doesn't have a duty to bring POW's home?
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Yes he does. However would you be considered if you sneak off your base in search of the enemeny only to find out they do not trust you then make you a POW for some of those 5 years spent with the Taliban. Does this classify you as a POW or just a dumbass?
 
spidey07 said:
Hey. Obama admin still killed veterans. Let's not forget his evil.
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But you are for killing veterans. Make up your mind.

rudder said:
And do you even realize what Benghazi was all about?
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A laughably bad attempt by the dumbshit rightwing to paint a small tragedy as a global conspiracy? The desperate flailings of lunatics dancing on the corpses of better men trying to prove a point?
 
CitizenKain said:
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A laughably bad attempt by the dumbshit rightwing to paint a small tragedy as a global conspiracy? The desperate flailings of lunatics dancing on the corpses of better men trying to prove a point?
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I thought it was a major fundraising opportunity for the Republican party. Lets see... yup!
 
Bitek said:
So instead of 2122 dead, we could have had many more boys captured instead, fed and clothed by the enemy at their expense, had more to trade for, and in the end had more boys going home to their families?


The down side is what now?
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goddamn i can't believe anyone could be so dense. did you take a class or does it just run in the family? the rest of you regressives need to put a leash on this one.

when the russians were fighting in afghanistan the mujahideen would capture their enemy when they could. their form of hospitality was for every 7 soldiers they caught, they would rape 6 of them, to their death. the seventh would be set free to return and let his comrades know what was waiting for them. the taliban are an extreme and much more sinister offshoot of the original. but sounds as though you seem to have an inside track on what they're really like. 🙄
 
rudder said:
Fact #3 The pentagon already concluded in 2010 that he deserted his post. He did not serve with distinction and honor.
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You can of course link to his guilty court-martial verdict right?

Oh that's right, you can't....he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

So everything you wrote is just hot air because you can't refute anything with facts. Gotcha. Just like the GOP, make up shit as you go along. Good job.

Once again, people blindly believe anything told to them.
 
Typical GOP flip-flopping....

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Talk about impressive flip-flopping. Look at all of the GOP members all clamoring for getting Bergdahl back, but since Obama did it, they all magically changed their mind. Go figure?

Grats to all that are blindly repeating the GOP line, you got trolled good by the GOP. GOP never cared about Bergdahl, they just wanted to bash Obama for not getting him back, so now that he is back, they want to bash him for getting him back. Same as OBL, they couldn't accept that Obama succeeded where Bush failed. Just another GOP spin-cycle for them.


A May 22 press release from Ayotte's office read, "As part of ongoing efforts to urge the Department of Defense to do all it can to find Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and bring him home safely, Senator Ayotte worked successfully to include a provision in the bill that presses Pakistan to fully cooperate in the search for SGT Bergdahl."
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COOPER: So if there was some -- the possibility of some sort of exchange, that's something you would support?
McCAIN: I would support. Obviously I'd have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.
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So McCain has flip-flopped so many times, no one really knows what he thinks or is saying.

In April, Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.), along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), introduced a resolution "to express the sense of the Senate that no member of the armed forces who is missing in action or captured should be left behind."
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Sarah Palin:
“Todd and I are praying for Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, his family, and all of his fellow soldiers who are putting their lives on the line to defend our freedom and protect democracy abroad,” Governor Palin said. “The capture of Private Bergdahl and the bombings in Jakarta prove that we have not defeated terrorism, and that radical extremists will stop at nothing to attack Westerners and our ideals.”
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Allen West:
“Then there is Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl still held by the Islamic terrorist Haqqani network, probably in Pakistan, in the same place where Osama Bin Laden was hiding. This past POW/MIA national day of recognition, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel reiterated a pledge to secure the young Army NCO being held captive, but have there been any actions? Any time, attention, or even mention from the Commander-in-Chief? Nah, no camera highlights in it for him.”
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Inhofe:
“The mission to bring our missing soldiers home is one that will never end. It’s important that we make every effort to bring this captured soldier home to his family.”
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That paragon of GOP honesty and ethics, Ollie North:
“Today, I received from the National League of POW/MIA Families, a “Never Forget Bracelet” emblazoned with the name of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. He was seized on June 30, 2009 in Afghanistan and is being held by the Haqqani Organization – a Taliban afilliated terrorist group – in northwest Pakistan. Sgt Bergdahl and his loved ones here at home deserve our prayers and encouragement until he is rescued or released. That’s what we do. We’re Americans.”
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row said:
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goddamn i can't believe anyone could be so dense. did you take a class or does it just run in the family? the rest of you regressives need to put a leash on this one.

when the russians were fighting in afghanistan the mujahideen would capture their enemy when they could. their form of hospitality was for every 7 soldiers they caught, they would rape 6 of them, to their death. the seventh would be set free to return and let his comrades know what was waiting for them. the taliban are an extreme and much more sinister offshoot of the original. but sounds as though you seem to have an inside track on what they're really like. 🙄
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Anger anger anger, rant rant rant. So what you are saying is we send the army to fight bad guys, who do bad stuff. Maybe we should just send the army to fight nice guys. Invade the Vatican next time maybe. Wait, damn, they rape children... Maybe just PTO bake sales then.

So Bergie is lucky then, they keep the first then rape the next 6? So by your math, 300+ vets would be coming home (1\7th of 2100) and the 1800 would still be dead, but by some other horrible means. So horrible, it's better that the other 300 are dead.
 
One other thing: to all the conservative war experts who think that now tha Taliban has an incentive to capture more US troops, you're basically arguing that you find it preferable for US troops to be killed.

I hope I never hear a single one of you talk about 'supporting the troops' again.
 
eskimospy said:
One other thing: to all the conservative war experts who think that now tha Taliban has an incentive to capture more US troops, you're basically arguing that you find it preferable for US troops to be killed.
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Right because it is certainly not an possibility that the Taliban would decide to increase operations to capture Americans whereas they would not make the decision to do so if this hadn't happened. I am not saying they will but its quite a stretch to say that thinking the taliban has more incentive to capture americans is preferring US troops be killed
 
Exterous said:
Right because it is certainly not an possibility that the Taliban would decide to increase operations to capture Americans whereas they would not make the decision to do so if this hadn't happened. I am not saying they will but its quite a stretch to say that thinking the taliban has more incentive to capture americans is preferring US troops be killed
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So you are saying that the Taliban currently have the capability to fight against us harder but have elected not to up until this point? I hope they fire whoever is in charge!

Unless you are arguing that the Taliban will have increased resources now for some reason, they have a choice about how to deploy their finite resources against US troops.
 
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