US slams Israel's decision to expand settlements

[SandEagle]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-slams-israels-decision-to-expand-settlements

The White House and the State Department said on Friday a new Israeli settlement expansion plan was "counterproductive" and could make it harder to bring Israel and the Palestinians back to the negotiating table.

"We reiterate our longstanding opposition to settlements and East Jerusalem construction and announcements," White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said.


State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reiterated this position, adding: "We're going to be evenhanded in our concern about any actions that are provocative, any actions that make it harder to get these two parties back to the table."


Israel plans to build thousands of new homes for its settlers in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, an Israeli official said earlier, defying a U.N. vote that implicitly recognized Palestinian statehood there.

didn't we just stand next to them and reject the UN proposal for a Palestinian state? and this is how they repay us? by creating MORE settlements?? oh well, another day in paradise for the Palestinians.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-slams-israels-decision-to-expand-settlements

didn't we just stand next to them and reject the UN proposal for a Palestinian state? and this is how they repay us? by creating MORE settlements?? oh well, another day in paradise for the Palestinians.

The US response is very consistent in the matter. The US is interested in a peace agreement. However, neither the Palestinian move or the Israeli move further that process. On the contrary, both are made to flip a bird to the other side.

I guess those who are happy to see one side flip the bird but protests when the other side does it can't recognize the consistency of the US response?

 

[Zorkorist]

Obama's regime has left us with an even more radical Islam middle east.

It's a lost cause now.

-John

 

[Darwin333]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-slams-israels-decision-to-expand-settlements

didn't we just stand next to them and reject the UN proposal for a Palestinian state? and this is how they repay us? by creating MORE settlements?? oh well, another day in paradise for the Palestinians.

As you pointed out in the other thread, wasn't it like 184 to 7 or something? The US's "help" didn't help very damn much so frankly why do the owe us anything for that? More importantly, should they actually be our puppet like some claim or should they make their own decisions? Are you saying we should force Israel to stop whatever it is you are butthurt over? If you get your wish and somehow we magically put Israel back to at least an equal .mil power as their neighbors, are you willing to get the US involved in any and every conflict Israel has in order to protect them?

I guess my real question is, what exactly do you see as an endgame here? Do you think the UN has even a little yapper type dog of a bite against Israel? Do you think the US will "force" them to do anything or even cut off their welfare (it ain't aid, get over it)?

 

[JEDIYoda]

The real end game will happen when the palestinians actually get a state of there own and then they proceed to allow others to lob rockets at Israel from the new Palestinian state.......

Did I say the Palestinians having their own state is not such a good idea......
It means that they are directly responsible for any attacks on Israel......

This could get interesting very quickly and it will not end well for the Palestinians once they have a state...

 

[Zorkorist]

The Middle East is going to worship a lot, and Obama is just fine with that.

How big do you think his dick is?

-John

 

[Lemon law]

The real end game will happen when the palestinians actually get a state of there own and then they proceed to allow others to lob rockets at Israel from the new Palestinian state.......

Did I say the Palestinians having their own state is not such a good idea......
It means that they are directly responsible for any attacks on Israel......

This could get interesting very quickly and it will not end well for the Palestinians once they have a state...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What happens if the Palestinians get a State and quit attacking Israel?

Which is the desired outcome to reduce both Israeli and Palestinian terrorism.

As I find the Israeli plans to build thousands of housing new thousand units units on disputed territory very disturbing. Its almost like Bozo Netanyuhu is pushing the world to see how much he can get away with. And after a 138-9 drubbing in the UN, Netanyuhu will discover he has finally pushed too far.

After all, the Israeli Palestinian State question must be finally decided, and if a Palestinian State can't be realized, the alternatives are either Israel assimilating the Palestinians with full voting rights, or binding third party arbitration.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The real end game will happen when the palestinians actually get a state of there own and then they proceed to allow others to lob rockets at Israel from the new Palestinian state.......

Did I say the Palestinians having their own state is not such a good idea......
It means that they are directly responsible for any attacks on Israel......

This could get interesting very quickly and it will not end well for the Palestinians once they have a state...

Its a better idea than giving the Jews a state were they stole other peoples land . Palestine has a more honest ownership than the hebrew . Their is nothing special about this GODLESS land. The Jews have no authority to the land except that which the UN gave them . If you believe god gave israel to the jews your bat ass crazy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What happens if the Palestinians get a State and quit attacking Israel?

Which is the desired outcome to reduce both Israeli and Palestinian terrorism.

As I find the Israeli plans to build thousands of housing new thousand units units on disputed territory very disturbing. Its almost like Bozo Netanyuhu is pushing the world to see how much he can get away with. And after a 138-9 drubbing in the UN, Netanyuhu will discover he has finally pushed too far.

After all, the Israeli Palestinian State question must be finally decided, and if a Palestinian State can't be realized, the alternatives are either Israel assimilating the Palestinians with full voting rights, or binding third party arbitration.

You practically begged for this. Why aren't you pleased ?

BTW you haven't gotten it, but nothing Israel doesn't approve of will happen. Oh yeah. You could be in, and should be in the front line of your invasion force. Lead the charge.

 

[fskimospy]

How can anyone defend this blatant violation of the Geneva Conventions, yet again?

Israel is seriously a rogue state at this point.

 

[Jhhnn]

The real end game will happen when the palestinians actually get a state of there own and then they proceed to allow others to lob rockets at Israel from the new Palestinian state.......

Did I say the Palestinians having their own state is not such a good idea......
It means that they are directly responsible for any attacks on Israel......

This could get interesting very quickly and it will not end well for the Palestinians once they have a state...

It's perfectly obvious that Israel has no intention of allowing a Palestinian state to exist, that they never have. They've chosen perpetual occupation & encroachment all along, making a Palestinian state impossible. More settlements just make that more obvious.

Netanyahu snapped the knife off in Obama's back? That's a surprise?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How can anyone defend this blatant violation of the Geneva Conventions, yet again?

Israel is seriously a rogue state at this point.

So is China. So is Iran. The point isn't defending an action but that there are consequences that are painfully obvious. Israel leadership is moving further to one extreme and Hamas to the other. From an internal politic perspective they benefit by increased strife. Abbas does too, but if he found a solution that worked for like minded Palestinians and Israel, Hamas would ruin it because that would mean their influence wanes. They need this conflict, not it's resolution. The ultra right in israel do to, and all recent events help them. Is this really hard to see?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's perfectly obvious that Israel has no intention of allowing a Palestinian state to exist, that they never have. They've chosen perpetual occupation & encroachment all along, making a Palestinian state impossible. More settlements just make that more obvious.

Netanyahu snapped the knife off in Obama's back? That's a surprise?

You asked for this too.

 

[fskimospy]

So is China. So is Iran. The point isn't defending an action but that there are consequences that are painfully obvious. Israel leadership is moving further to one extreme and Hamas to the other. From an internal politic perspective they benefit by increased strife. Abbas does too, but if he found a solution that worked for like minded Palestinians and Israel, Hamas would ruin it because that would mean their influence wanes. They need this conflict, not it's resolution. The ultra right in israel do to, and all recent events help them. Is this really hard to see?

What do China and Iran have to do with this? Many violators of the Geneva Conventions exist in the world, yet I infrequently see people defending them. I see people defend Israel's breach of them quite frequently.

Israel is not doing this to drum up internal strife, they are doing it as part of a concerted effort to make a future Palestinian state nonviable.

 

[Incorruptible]

It's perfectly obvious that Israel has no intention of allowing a Palestinian state to exist, that they never have. They've chosen perpetual occupation & encroachment all along, making a Palestinian state impossible. More settlements just make that more obvious.

Netanyahu snapped the knife off in Obama's back? That's a surprise?

Wow! I didn't know that you had a crystal ball to see into the future, gotta love the ignorance from you

 

[Darwin333]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What happens if the Palestinians get a State and quit attacking Israel?

Which is the desired outcome to reduce both Israeli and Palestinian terrorism.

As I find the Israeli plans to build thousands of housing new thousand units units on disputed territory very disturbing. Its almost like Bozo Netanyuhu is pushing the world to see how much he can get away with. And after a 138-9 drubbing in the UN, Netanyuhu will discover he has finally pushed too far.

After all, the Israeli Palestinian State question must be finally decided, and if a Palestinian State can't be realized, the alternatives are either Israel assimilating the Palestinians with full voting rights, or binding third party arbitration.

What is the world going to do to Israel other than giving them a "stern talking to". Why would Israel allow the people trying to blow them up to be "assimilated" into their country and why would Israel ever agree to binding 3rd party arbitration? I really am curious as to what the "or else" is in Israel's case.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What do China and Iran have to do with this? Many violators of the Geneva Conventions exist in the world, yet I infrequently see people defending them. I see people defend Israel's breach of them quite frequently.

Israel is not doing this to drum up internal strife, they are doing it as part of a concerted effort to make a future Palestinian state nonviable.

And Palestinians are all terrorists to do the same thing. So regarding China, do you see this level of discontent regarding Tibet? How many people here as disturbed by that as by this? Israel and Palestine are the pet crisis. Practically speaking no one else matters.

So that's the real significance of this compared to the rest of the world. Save some outrage for them.

That does not make any of this right, but the world and people aren't obliged to follow passively. Only a fool would expect that. In fact it should be painfully obvious this would happen. Like I said this was asks for. Maybe not wanted, but because it's a painfully obvious consequence did ask for. As long as Hamas plays a significant role and keeps launching rockets to intentionally stir the pot, the hardliners will continue to gain and these settlements will continue at an expanded pace. You dont have to like it and you sense of fairness is irrelevant. What matters is actions taken and their natural consequences.

 

[WelshBloke]

The real end game will happen when the palestinians actually get a state of there own and then they proceed to allow others to lob rockets at Israel from the new Palestinian state.......

Did I say the Palestinians having their own state is not such a good idea......
It means that they are directly responsible for any attacks on Israel......

This could get interesting very quickly and it will not end well for the Palestinians once they have a state...

So what would Israel do that it isn't doing already?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So what would Israel do that it isn't doing already?

Declare war on Palestine. This is barely more than a military exercise at this point.

 

[fskimospy]

And Palestinians are all terrorists to do the same thing. So regarding China, do you see this level of discontent regarding Tibet? How many people here as disturbed by that as by this? Israel and Palestine are the pet crisis. Practically speaking no one else matters.

So that's the real significance of this compared to the rest of the world. Save some outrage for them.

If you want to make a threat about Tibet I will call China awful in that one too, I still don't see how it's relevant to this. Is Israel violating the Geneva Conventions? Yes. Therefore we should all feel free to be outraged as much as we want about it.

That does not make any of this right, but the world and people aren't obliged to follow passively. Only a fool would expect that. In fact it should be painfully obvious this would happen. Like I said this was asks for. Maybe not wanted, but because it's a painfully obvious consequence did ask for. As long as Hamas plays a significant role and keeps launching rockets to intentionally stir the pot, the hardliners will continue to gain and these settlements will continue at an expanded pace. You dont have to like it and you sense of fairness is irrelevant. What matters is actions taken and their natural consequences.

I have never mentioned fairness, nor do I care about fairness.

Israel is not building settlements in response to rocket attacks. Settlement activity has continued regardless of the level or intensity of Palestinian attacks on Israel, and I don't blame the Palestinians one bit for refusing to sit back while their land is illegally colonized. If Israel's response to a nation being recognized by the UN is to violate the Geneva Conventions then so be it. They were violating them continually anyway, so who really cares?

 

[Anarchist420]

The Geneva conventions don't matter because Israelis generally don't view Palestinians as human... if they took "human rights" out of it and maybe said that apes had rights, then the Israelis would probably be happier to follow it. The reason the U.N. is powerless to protect human rights is because God made two creations, a slave race and a master race. In other words, central planning is a revolt against God.

I'm part of the slave race for the record since I lack the ability to reason well.

I also think that the State of Israel will destroy itself anyway due to the Curse of Standing Armies and the fact that the younger generations don't like it there anyway since they all want to move to Germany.

 

[WelshBloke]

Declare war on Palestine. This is barely more than a military exercise at this point.

So what would that involve that hasn't happened?

 

[EagleKeeper]

So what would that involve that hasn't happened?

Liberal legitimacy behind the response to attacks.

At present it is the poor Palestinians fighting for their homes.

Once a state is defined, then it becomes nation vs nation. A nation has chosen to make war on another. Doing so, they must accept the results of such. The initial excuse is blown away.

 

[DrewSG3]

We slam Israel for building settlements, not when they drop bombs on civilians.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So what would that involve that hasn't happened?

This is now.

This is real war.

Do I really need to draw a map?