US should help Syria rebels, GOP's John McCain and Lindsey Graham say

MotF Bane

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Well, Obama apparently didn't think two actions were enough, and wanted to add Libya. Now we'll go for a fourth just in time for the elections!
 

piasabird

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Who is going to pay for this? They probably dont even like the USA, so why should we help them? Syria allows terrorists to truck their missles through their country, to attack labanon and Isreal. If they are killing each other then that means they arent busy killing us.
 

fskimospy

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I know, Obama and Libya come to mind. Let me guess, you were for Libya but against Syria now? Seems to be a pattern with you.

I would be for an air campaign against Syria so long as we could be sure the action won't spill over to other countries. I personally don't know enough about the Syrian situation to know how likely that is though. To the best of my knowledge we would just be pissing off Russia and China, and I doubt either one of them would make that big a stink considering the actions of the Syrian government recently.

That being said, our good friend John McCain has never met a country he doesn't think would be improved by blowing up parts of it, so his endorsement means basically nothing to me.
 

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The main roadblock to taking action against Syria, as I understand it, is the fact that they are in bed with Russia. I suppose that would have to be addressed prior to taking action, and Syria sends a lot of money to Russia.

Also, the Russians have their only military base that is outside their borders in.... Syria.

THE Syrian port of Tartus is Russia’s only military base outside the old Soviet Union. Moreover, Russia is the Syrian regime’s only big-power friend. So the arrival there of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrier and a few other warships earlier this month brought a warm welcome from Bashar Assad’s defence minister, General Dawood Rajiha, who praised Russia’s “honourable” support for his government.

Russia still blocks sanctions against Syria in the UN Security Council. But its navy offers little practical support. The laboriously assembled flotilla (shadowed by NATO vessels) did nothing to stop Cyprus impounding a cargo ship carrying tens of tonnes of Russian ammunition and explosives to Syria; it was released on condition it went to Turkey.

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Mxylplyx

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How bout we try a different strategy, and stop sticking our nose where it doesn't belong? We helped the Libyan rebels, and now Libya is awash in weapons and run by warlords. The more we "help" over there, the more they hate us.
 

fskimospy

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How bout we try a different strategy, and stop sticking our nose where it doesn't belong? We helped the Libyan rebels, and now Libya is awash in weapons and run by warlords. The more we "help" over there, the more they hate us.

Libya was already awash in weapons and run by a warlord. If you wanted to sit back and allow that warlord to wage a genocidal campaign against half his country that's fine, but I sincerely doubt that would have given us greater credibility or them substantially greater stability.
 

Mxylplyx

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Libya was already awash in weapons and run by a warlord. If you wanted to sit back and allow that warlord to wage a genocidal campaign against half his country that's fine, but I sincerely doubt that would have given us greater credibility or them substantially greater stability.

The same argument could be made that the north engaged in a genocidal campaign during the American civil war. Just because the US chooses to pick sides doesn't automatically make that side the good guys. In the ME, it's just a different band of thugs who want the same as the old, money and power for themselves. If the current governments of Iraq and Afghanistan don't demonstrate that enough, you are just being dense.
 

fskimospy

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The same argument could be made that the north engaged in a genocidal campaign during the American civil war. Just because the US chooses to pick sides doesn't automatically make that side the good guys. In the ME, it's just a different band of thugs who want the same as the old, money and power for themselves. If the current governments of Iraq and Afghanistan don't demonstrate that enough, you are just being dense.

You think the current government of Iraq is as hostile to our interests as the old? What are you basing this on? I mean I didn't even support the war in Iraq, but that claim is particularly... dense. As for what constitutes a genocidal campaign, I have no idea why that is relevant to my argument.

I seriously do not need a lecture on international diplomacy from you in any way, shape, or form.
 

Mxylplyx

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You think the current government of Iraq is as hostile to our interests as the old? What are you basing this on? I mean I didn't even support the war in Iraq, but that claim is particularly... dense. As for what constitutes a genocidal campaign, I have no idea why that is relevant to my argument.

I seriously do not need a lecture on international diplomacy from you in any way, shape, or form.

I'm not using Americas interests as a measure on whether we should intervene in foreign affairs, I am simply using the measure of right or wrong. America might temporarily advance it's interests by killing many thousands of people to topple an existing regime, and replacing it with an equally bad regime more willing to take our money in exchange for influence. This doesn't make it right though.
 

pcgeek11

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I say fuck all these shit hole countries. We need to pull back all aid to all countries that hate the US and let them sort out their own demons.
 

Fern

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46451682/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#.T0KSj-Py_p4

Haven't the Neocons had enough war after bankrupting our nation with the last two wars we were in???

Did you read your own article?

I see no advocacy of war. I see suggestions for the USA to provide some weapons to the protesters through 3rd parties (e.g. the Arab League).

I opposed our support of those against Khaddafy because he was mostly in our 'camp' while his opposition had many AQ.

But Assad is tied in with Iran and is our enemy. Whoever his opposition is, they cannot be worse than Assad. The same cannot be said for Libya.

Fern
 

PottedMeat

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Hey Jordan/Turkey/Egypt, you're not doing anything with all that sweet US-made military hardware, why not test it out on some older Russian equipment? If you lose any you can buy some more!
 

Craig234

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I couldn't care less that Syria is allied with Iran as for policy on this issue.

The reason to do something or not is because of the issues in Syria.

The thing is, it's not as easy as 'give the protestors weapons'. As diplomats said, would that simply get a lot more people killed for no good reason?

As estimated 3,000 people have been killed by the government in this uprising, keeping it down forcefully.

3,000 terrible killings to repress the people, prevent them from having power, of men, women, and children.

But how many would be killed in a civil war?

That's not a reason not to have a civil war - sometimes oppression has the only options of civil war or oppression and Syria could still have a civil war - but if giving them some weapons would not help them win but just get a lot of them killed, why is that a good idea other than making our side feel like we helped?

I'd like to see the Syrian regime opposed for oppressive rule and murdering its own people, but it needs a sensible approach.

Republicans need things to attack Obama about. We got a taste of them when they told Obama to attack Libya, then attacked him for attacking Libya.

Republicans are not the people to listen to for good policy. Incompetent, corrupt political whores.

Syria is a taste of the limits of 'Arab Spring', which pretty much require the military not to put down the civilian uprising. Syria is putting it down so far.

If the military turns on the ruler, that would change, but will they?

Of course Iran's agenda here is very corrupt, backing Syria because it's their ally.
 

sportage

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US should help Syria rebels, GOP's John McCain and Lindsey Graham say

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG !!!!!!

THIS DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!

Fu@K-in McCain, and the republicans """"ASSUME"""" Obama does not already have a very hands-on policy ongoing when to comes to this issue????
GOD!!!! This is the same guy, President Obama, that was taking out Bin Laden while he, President Obama, was telling jokes at the Press Corps Annual Dinner.

Obama has the ability to multi-task.
Something republicans can not comprehend the meaning of.

McCain ""ASSUMES"" Obama is not already all over this Syria issue.
And NO, the Obama administration is not nor has ever been one to blow their own horn at every step, when it comes to national security events maintenance.

Old fuddy duddy John McCain, as well as little bitty Lindsey, have not a clue what they are talking about, suggesting, or what President Obama has been and is now doing when it comes to national security around the world.

Total dumb asses, every one of them (i.e. the damn republicans).
 

Hayabusa Rider

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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG !!!!!!

THIS DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!

Fu@K-in McCain, and the republicans """"ASSUME"""" Obama does not already have a very hands-on policy ongoing when to comes to this issue????
GOD!!!! This is the same guy, President Obama, that was taking out Bin Laden while he, President Obama, was telling jokes at the Press Corps Annual Dinner.

Obama has the ability to multi-task.
Something republicans can not comprehend the meaning of.

McCain ""ASSUMES"" Obama is not already all over this Syria issue.
And NO, the Obama administration is not nor has ever been one to blow their own horn at every step, when it comes to national security events maintenance.

Old fuddy duddy John McCain, as well as little bitty Lindsey, have not a clue what they are talking about, suggesting, or what President Obama has been and is now doing when it comes to national security around the world.

Total dumb asses, every one of them (i.e. the damn republicans).

Does he also walk on water?
 

Matt1970

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46451682/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#.T0KSj-Py_p4

Haven't the Neocons had enough war after bankrupting our nation with the last two wars we were in???

LOL, you are funny.

Total costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan allocated by Congress to date – which include funding through the end of the current fiscal year on September 30, 2012 – are $1.38 trillion, with $807.4 billion to Iraq and $570.9 billion to Afghanistan. These figures include both military and non-military spending such as reconstruction.

Obama Deficits
2012 $1.327 trillion
2011 $1.300 trillion
2010 $1.293 trillion
 

xBiffx

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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG !!!!!!

THIS DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!

Fu@K-in McCain, and the republicans """"ASSUME"""" Obama does not already have a very hands-on policy ongoing when to comes to this issue????
GOD!!!! This is the same guy, President Obama, that was taking out Bin Laden while he, President Obama, was telling jokes at the Press Corps Annual Dinner.

Obama has the ability to multi-task.
Something republicans can not comprehend the meaning of.

McCain ""ASSUMES"" Obama is not already all over this Syria issue.
And NO, the Obama administration is not nor has ever been one to blow their own horn at every step, when it comes to national security events maintenance.

Old fuddy duddy John McCain, as well as little bitty Lindsey, have not a clue what they are talking about, suggesting, or what President Obama has been and is now doing when it comes to national security around the world.

Total dumb asses, every one of them (i.e. the damn republicans).

Yep, McCain the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee has no idea what the president is up to regarding military action in Syria and has to "ASSUME" everything. GTFO moron. You are the dumb ass this time.
 

cybrsage

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Who is going to pay for this? They probably dont even like the USA, so why should we help them? Syria allows terrorists to truck their missles through their country, to attack labanon and Isreal. If they are killing each other then that means they arent busy killing us.

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