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It doesn't add up that way. You simply can not raise the rates enough to offset the burden they put on the system. A heart attack and an extended stay in a hospital can run well over $250,000. There is no possible way you can pass those expenses on to ONLY obese people. The law of large numbers says you have spread it across EVERYONE in the plan.
The law according to the ADA says you also can't descriminate based on weight.
Two strikes.
Third strike is that if you make insurance so cost prohibitive, they just will go uncovered, and pass the buck onto the taxpayers/everyone else. A hospital won't turn away somebody that comes in suffering from a heart attack. If that person can't or won't pay the bill, the buck gets passed to everyone else.
Sounds like a good plan in theory, but falls on it's face in real application.
The adage of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" really does hold true in this case. Taking care of yourself throughout your early and mid stages of your adult life can have an enourmous impact on your health in your older stages.
An entire decade of gym membership costs is less than HALF A DAY in a hospital if you have to go in because of a heart attack.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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I agree with these Americans:
Obesity should not be the government's business and no intruding government policy should be required to address it. Sure, help should be available for anybody who wants help, but it's not the government's job to direct people in personal health matters. Anybody who doesn't understand by now that obesity is unhealthy isn't going to benefit from new policies at taxpayer's expense.
Ted Bogart, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
I can't stand it that I am being forced to subsidize the health costs of those who pursue unhealthy lifestyles. My insurance premiums reflect the cost of treating those who smoke, overeat, or choose to drive without a seatbelt. I can't tell you how many times I've had to suffer in an airline seat because someone is big enough to occupy (and should pay for) two seats. We hear a lot about recognizing the rights of obese people, but what about the rights of those who choose to be healthy?
Mike, Washington, DC USA
Obesity should not be the government's business and no intruding government policy should be required to address it. Sure, help should be available for anybody who wants help, but it's not the government's job to direct people in personal health matters. Anybody who doesn't understand by now that obesity is unhealthy isn't going to benefit from new policies at taxpayer's expense.
Ted Bogart, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
I can't stand it that I am being forced to subsidize the health costs of those who pursue unhealthy lifestyles. My insurance premiums reflect the cost of treating those who smoke, overeat, or choose to drive without a seatbelt. I can't tell you how many times I've had to suffer in an airline seat because someone is big enough to occupy (and should pay for) two seats. We hear a lot about recognizing the rights of obese people, but what about the rights of those who choose to be healthy?
Mike, Washington, DC USA
1/2 lb of beef isn't that much considering what fast food is replacing. You're point would make sense if everyone was eating fast food all the time in the 50s. However, people were not. They ate at home.
People are eating fast food instead of homecooked meals. I don't know about you, but I don't grill burgers the size of mcdonald's normal hamburger. I typically eat two, and I don't make fries or drink soda. I'd eat something like potatos, some greens, and milk/water.
Amused
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You're still not making any sense at all. Meat consumption has NOT increased, but grain consumption has and accounts for the majority of calorie increase. If increased consumption of fast food was to blame, meat consumption would have risen at least SOME.
Also, fat consumed per calorie has DROPPED. This doesn't point to fast food as the increase either.
At any rate, go ask anyone over 40 about snack food changes in the last 20-30 years.
Snack foods take up many, MANY times more space in supermarkets than they did just 20 years ago. That HAS to be in response to demand, which means snack food consumption has grown dramatically.
And, again, there is only ONE thing to do when sitting at a desk at work, then sitting around the house watching cable/sat TV, surfing the Internet and playing video games (and unlike fast food, THESE activities DIRECTLY correlate with the obesity epidemic). MUNCH. And people don't idly munch fast food. They munch on snack foods. And the vast majority of snack foods are... get this, grains.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DaShen
Not nowadays. Type-2 diabetes is very prevalent in the younger generation (pre-pubescent kids) which would kill if food isn't regulated, and drugs not taken. Heart disease is becoming an issue with kids under the age of 10. Erectile dysfunction is strongly related to cholesterol and heart problems (a side issue).Ten years ago, my statement would be ludacris, but now it is closer to truth, in 20 years ... it is scary to even think about. Plues, if you could refrain from personal attack, that would be great. Your posts are very insightful though. :thumbsup:
The % of obese kids with these problems is a VERY small percentage. The overall numbers of these diseases in children rose as obesity rose, but the percentage of obese children with these problems has remained constant.
Not NEARLY signifigant enough to stop anywhere nearly enough of them from reproducing.
One would hope.
For the sake of humanity. Still it will be a mojor issue in the future."Oh won't someone think of the children."
PingSpike
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I wasn't really all that serious...I was just proposing a contrary crazy idea to yours. (Although, my idea isn't that crazy since they've started to single out smokers as a "special exception" to the one price fits all insurance premium...the only difference is smokers are a minority, fatties are not)
I'm just saying I don't feel its the governments place to really do anything to accomodate these people. Its a waste of our time, people are going to do whatever they want until it directly hurts them. I remember reading that a study was done that recommended doctors not advise overweight patients to exercise...not because they shouldn't exercise, but because the body of evidence indicated that the doctors advice to exercise had no bearing whatsoever on getting people to exercise.
People know being fat is bad for them, they just don't care.
As for the root cause, I think the increasing portion sizes in fast food joints (which is driven by Americans unrelenting desire for a good deal on everything) is partially to blame...I'd hazard a guess that people eat out more now than before, with longer work weeks and more stress its easier to just "stop by mcdonalds" then it is to make a meal.
But I also agree with Amused that its not the main cause. Everyone wants to blame a big corporation for their problems because its a faceless entity that gives them the ability to play a victim. But McDonalds just makes what their customers want. And people do spend more time sitting around and not moving for a variety of reasons. Office jobs have even less activity than ever before. You don't have to run that file down to sally in accounting now, you just email it to her. Call bill on his cell phone instead of checking his office or whereever he works down the hall. Technology lets us get more work done from our chairs now, so we leave them less.
And of course there's the sedentary hobbies that go along with technology like video games and TV...
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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I think people have hit a few nails on the head here. Obesity in America has been caused by...
1) Computer = more time sitting at home & office = less active lifestyle
2) TV/Game Consoles = less active free time
3) Stress = We eat to make ourselves feel better
4) All this means that fast/junk/snack food producers responded to DEMAND
5) Such producers, to make more profit, use more artificial ingredients to cut costs / preserve food for longer (un-natural ingredients)
6) Such ingredients make unhealthy food even worse and probably contribute to all sorts of cancers in the process.
Every summer, I have the opportunity to travel to Europe. This year I was in Greece and Germany for a total of five weeks. Despite the fact that ate more frequently than I do at home, I ate smaller portions, ate a lot of NATURAL/UN-PROCESSED products, and exercised A LOT more because I was forced to walk, ride a bike, or swim. The end result was that I lost weight. In Europe, the portions at restaurants are much smaller, prices are more reasonable, and one is forced to exercise more because Europeans often ride bikes to work or at least have to walk to and from public transportation. They have to because they pay around $6.00/gallon at the pump while Americans whine and cry about spending $2.50/gallon at the pump.
I happen to agree with the Europeans who think that America has been lazy, fat, arrogant, and uneducated. We have. Sadly for those Europeans, American culture is far more powerful than most Americans realize. It spreads like a plague. So the same trends will appear on that continent as well, albeit in smaller numbers I would imagine.
Okay, so I just hit a lot of bases there. /RANT
1) Computer = more time sitting at home & office = less active lifestyle
2) TV/Game Consoles = less active free time
3) Stress = We eat to make ourselves feel better
4) All this means that fast/junk/snack food producers responded to DEMAND
5) Such producers, to make more profit, use more artificial ingredients to cut costs / preserve food for longer (un-natural ingredients)
6) Such ingredients make unhealthy food even worse and probably contribute to all sorts of cancers in the process.
Every summer, I have the opportunity to travel to Europe. This year I was in Greece and Germany for a total of five weeks. Despite the fact that ate more frequently than I do at home, I ate smaller portions, ate a lot of NATURAL/UN-PROCESSED products, and exercised A LOT more because I was forced to walk, ride a bike, or swim. The end result was that I lost weight. In Europe, the portions at restaurants are much smaller, prices are more reasonable, and one is forced to exercise more because Europeans often ride bikes to work or at least have to walk to and from public transportation. They have to because they pay around $6.00/gallon at the pump while Americans whine and cry about spending $2.50/gallon at the pump.
I happen to agree with the Europeans who think that America has been lazy, fat, arrogant, and uneducated. We have. Sadly for those Europeans, American culture is far more powerful than most Americans realize. It spreads like a plague. So the same trends will appear on that continent as well, albeit in smaller numbers I would imagine.
Okay, so I just hit a lot of bases there. /RANT
HumblePie
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Ugh.. needed to reply to some things that were pointed out in the studies that people keep missing here....
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE OVERWEIGHT. Over 70% This isn't obese but over weight. They didn't describe the method used to ascertain that, but usually it is the BMI method. Body Mass Index. If your BMI score is to high you are considered overweight. If you get REALLY high you are obese. Obsecity is only at 27%. Obese people are HUMUNGOUS. I mean the mumu wearing, homer simpson huge!
Since the majority of Americans are overweight (as in a pot belly or a pooch or some big love handles), the reasoning that most Americans don't see fat as ugly stands on firm ground. Most Americans don't view fat as ugly because most Americans ARE fat. I know I got a tiny bit of chub now, I'm still not considered fat by BMI standards, mainly because I'm over 6' tall. That doesn't mean I don't think I have chub, and I hate it because I used to be skinny as a rail.
Also with fast foot, meat is a SMALL portion of the meal and most meats are not all meat in the first place. They are meat mixed with bread as filler. It's cheaper then all meat patties for burgers. This is why a burger you make the same size at home has much less calories then you see in charts for fast food burgers. They have extra calories from tons of extra carbs packed into them.
Simple facts I also must point out.
MYTH: lack of exercise is a major reason for gaining fat weight.
FACT: A bad diet gets you fat, NOT a seditary life style. You could not lift a finger all day and never gain a pound of fat if you don't over eat. Many people in 3rd world countries do very little all day. Many don't even move from the spot they wake up on except to take a sh~t in the corner. They don't eat very much either. As such they are very very very skinny. Fat gains come from bad eating habits. Lack of musculature comes form lack of exercise.
MYTH: Exercise burns off tons of calories per day!
FACT: Most 30 minute, very strenuos, exercise activities do not burn that many calories off at all. You are lucky to burn off and extra 200 calories in a 30 minute work out session. Considering a Jumbo Jack has 700 calories, that's not a whole lot of energy you just burned off by working out. In fact, after a 30 minute workout, your body has produced so much lactic acid and cortzone, that you have a huge urge to EAT. Your body also goes into immediate rest mode to conserve energy after a hard workout. As such, for a period of time AFTER a workout, you are using much less energy then you normally do.
FACT: The average human uses around 1500 calories to stay alive per day. That's if you sleep an entire 24 hours and do zero activity. You will still burn 1500 calories. Getting up, moving, going to work, dropping off kids, picking them up, cooking, cleaning, and normal activities through a 16 hour time frame cause you to burn 500 more calories. This is why the average daily caloric intake is set to 2000 calories.
FACT: it takes 3500 calories extra to produce 1 pound of fat but it's a continual process.
FACT: calories come in 3 different forms. FAT, PROTIEN, and CARBOHYDRATES. Each has different properties but ALL are unusable by the body unless they are glucose. The body can convert fat, protien, and carbohydrates into glucose. The converting process uses energy (usually less then the value returned from the break down process) though.
Protiens are the hardest to convert and can be used as muscle tissue amoung other items in the body. Protien not broken down into glucose does not count as caloric intake.
Fats must also be broken down into glucose. They are easier to break down but have the highest caloric value because it is used a caloric storage. Not all fats though are used for caloric values as you must have fat in some areas of your body for cushioning and insulation. Every nerve in the human body is coated with fat as insulation for example. Those fats are not caloric.
Carbs come from highly complex and hard if not impossible to break down, to so simple they are in body useable form such as straight glucose. Carbs serve two purposes. Imposible or hard to break down carbs are to aid the digestion process by helping the body rid itself of undigested food. This is what makes you take craps more often. Any digestable carb serves the other purpose, calories! This was what the Atkins craze was all about. Protiens and fats can serve other purposes when digested. They also use more energy to convert to glucose. They are also harder to digest then simple carbs and as such most fats and protiens found in a meal go straight to the toilet. Simple carbs, do not. They are easily digestable and useable energy sources. They cause spikes in blood sugar and a response from insulin which causes the immediate conversion of extra blood sugar into fat storage.
FACT: The easiest way to lose weight is to control ones diet by watching what you eat and NOT over eating. Eat more complex carbs, protiens, and fats. Stay away from simple sugars and carbs. Keep the portions small. Eating 2000 calories a day only "maintains" your weight because your body has all the energy needed for a day from your meals. Eating LESS forces the body to use fat reserves for energy. THIS is what makes dieting hard in America. Food portions ARE HUGE. They are packed with calories as well. They come with tons of simple carbs. That and fat and simple carbs TASTE GOOD. Exercise does help by forcing the body to convert more fat and protien intake from calories to other components needed in the body. It does make you burn a few more calories as well.
This was also why many people fail on the Atkin or other diets. Yah, they completely cut out carbs, to force the body to produce extra glucogin which will convert fat OR protien into blood sugar. BUT they take in more 2000 calories from fat and protien sources. When this happens the glucogen works on what you EAT and not what you are made of. If you over eat still with fats and protiens on the atkins or south beach diet you can STILL GAIN WEIGHT. The only way to lose weight, without lyposuction, is to force your body to use it's own fat reserves. The only chemical in the body that does this is glucogin. Atkins and south beach diet try to "jump start" your bodies process of glucogin (which it doesn't tend to make that much or that often unless you NEED to burn fat) by forcing your blood sugar levels to drop over a 3 day period from eating zero carbs. You can do this as well by just eating less then 2000 calories a day but it does take longer for your body to produce enough glucogin. The less you eat, the faster that process goes, but going to fast can be just as unhealthy. Also, eating less calories per day tends to mean you are eating less of other non caloric components your body needs. Like vitamins and minerals. Many of which can only be ingested into the body while in the presence of other forms of food. Like you can't ingest calcium without the presence of manganese in the stomach at the same time.
Despite knowing the facts, it's HARD to cut back on food. Damn hard. It tastes good, makes you feel good, stops the hunger pains from your stomach, and is easily accessible. Also, cutting back too much too soon is bad for your health and makes your body want MORE. Cuttin back to slowly produces results slowly as well and people get discouraged and give up or make mistakes. Proper eating habits are not easy to form or maintain.
Remember, diet to lose the weight, exercise to look good after it's gone!
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE OVERWEIGHT. Over 70% This isn't obese but over weight. They didn't describe the method used to ascertain that, but usually it is the BMI method. Body Mass Index. If your BMI score is to high you are considered overweight. If you get REALLY high you are obese. Obsecity is only at 27%. Obese people are HUMUNGOUS. I mean the mumu wearing, homer simpson huge!
Since the majority of Americans are overweight (as in a pot belly or a pooch or some big love handles), the reasoning that most Americans don't see fat as ugly stands on firm ground. Most Americans don't view fat as ugly because most Americans ARE fat. I know I got a tiny bit of chub now, I'm still not considered fat by BMI standards, mainly because I'm over 6' tall. That doesn't mean I don't think I have chub, and I hate it because I used to be skinny as a rail.
Also with fast foot, meat is a SMALL portion of the meal and most meats are not all meat in the first place. They are meat mixed with bread as filler. It's cheaper then all meat patties for burgers. This is why a burger you make the same size at home has much less calories then you see in charts for fast food burgers. They have extra calories from tons of extra carbs packed into them.
Simple facts I also must point out.
MYTH: lack of exercise is a major reason for gaining fat weight.
FACT: A bad diet gets you fat, NOT a seditary life style. You could not lift a finger all day and never gain a pound of fat if you don't over eat. Many people in 3rd world countries do very little all day. Many don't even move from the spot they wake up on except to take a sh~t in the corner. They don't eat very much either. As such they are very very very skinny. Fat gains come from bad eating habits. Lack of musculature comes form lack of exercise.
MYTH: Exercise burns off tons of calories per day!
FACT: Most 30 minute, very strenuos, exercise activities do not burn that many calories off at all. You are lucky to burn off and extra 200 calories in a 30 minute work out session. Considering a Jumbo Jack has 700 calories, that's not a whole lot of energy you just burned off by working out. In fact, after a 30 minute workout, your body has produced so much lactic acid and cortzone, that you have a huge urge to EAT. Your body also goes into immediate rest mode to conserve energy after a hard workout. As such, for a period of time AFTER a workout, you are using much less energy then you normally do.
FACT: The average human uses around 1500 calories to stay alive per day. That's if you sleep an entire 24 hours and do zero activity. You will still burn 1500 calories. Getting up, moving, going to work, dropping off kids, picking them up, cooking, cleaning, and normal activities through a 16 hour time frame cause you to burn 500 more calories. This is why the average daily caloric intake is set to 2000 calories.
FACT: it takes 3500 calories extra to produce 1 pound of fat but it's a continual process.
FACT: calories come in 3 different forms. FAT, PROTIEN, and CARBOHYDRATES. Each has different properties but ALL are unusable by the body unless they are glucose. The body can convert fat, protien, and carbohydrates into glucose. The converting process uses energy (usually less then the value returned from the break down process) though.
Protiens are the hardest to convert and can be used as muscle tissue amoung other items in the body. Protien not broken down into glucose does not count as caloric intake.
Fats must also be broken down into glucose. They are easier to break down but have the highest caloric value because it is used a caloric storage. Not all fats though are used for caloric values as you must have fat in some areas of your body for cushioning and insulation. Every nerve in the human body is coated with fat as insulation for example. Those fats are not caloric.
Carbs come from highly complex and hard if not impossible to break down, to so simple they are in body useable form such as straight glucose. Carbs serve two purposes. Imposible or hard to break down carbs are to aid the digestion process by helping the body rid itself of undigested food. This is what makes you take craps more often. Any digestable carb serves the other purpose, calories! This was what the Atkins craze was all about. Protiens and fats can serve other purposes when digested. They also use more energy to convert to glucose. They are also harder to digest then simple carbs and as such most fats and protiens found in a meal go straight to the toilet. Simple carbs, do not. They are easily digestable and useable energy sources. They cause spikes in blood sugar and a response from insulin which causes the immediate conversion of extra blood sugar into fat storage.
FACT: The easiest way to lose weight is to control ones diet by watching what you eat and NOT over eating. Eat more complex carbs, protiens, and fats. Stay away from simple sugars and carbs. Keep the portions small. Eating 2000 calories a day only "maintains" your weight because your body has all the energy needed for a day from your meals. Eating LESS forces the body to use fat reserves for energy. THIS is what makes dieting hard in America. Food portions ARE HUGE. They are packed with calories as well. They come with tons of simple carbs. That and fat and simple carbs TASTE GOOD. Exercise does help by forcing the body to convert more fat and protien intake from calories to other components needed in the body. It does make you burn a few more calories as well.
This was also why many people fail on the Atkin or other diets. Yah, they completely cut out carbs, to force the body to produce extra glucogin which will convert fat OR protien into blood sugar. BUT they take in more 2000 calories from fat and protien sources. When this happens the glucogen works on what you EAT and not what you are made of. If you over eat still with fats and protiens on the atkins or south beach diet you can STILL GAIN WEIGHT. The only way to lose weight, without lyposuction, is to force your body to use it's own fat reserves. The only chemical in the body that does this is glucogin. Atkins and south beach diet try to "jump start" your bodies process of glucogin (which it doesn't tend to make that much or that often unless you NEED to burn fat) by forcing your blood sugar levels to drop over a 3 day period from eating zero carbs. You can do this as well by just eating less then 2000 calories a day but it does take longer for your body to produce enough glucogin. The less you eat, the faster that process goes, but going to fast can be just as unhealthy. Also, eating less calories per day tends to mean you are eating less of other non caloric components your body needs. Like vitamins and minerals. Many of which can only be ingested into the body while in the presence of other forms of food. Like you can't ingest calcium without the presence of manganese in the stomach at the same time.
Despite knowing the facts, it's HARD to cut back on food. Damn hard. It tastes good, makes you feel good, stops the hunger pains from your stomach, and is easily accessible. Also, cutting back too much too soon is bad for your health and makes your body want MORE. Cuttin back to slowly produces results slowly as well and people get discouraged and give up or make mistakes. Proper eating habits are not easy to form or maintain.
Remember, diet to lose the weight, exercise to look good after it's gone!
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Actually that number is 3500 calories.
And eating better only improves weight. It does nothing for cardio vascular fitness, maintaining bone density, improving metabolism, or lowering vitals (BP, HR, Cholesterol).
You can somewhat control those with weight and eating, but overall exercise is the great equalizer when it comes to actual fitness.
FACT: it's almost impossible to maintain a negative/neutral caloric balance if you don't exercise. This goes triple if you eat fast food thanks to the amount of calories most of it contains. You can hit half your day's BMR in one meal.
Uh, bullsh*t, bullsh*t, and bullsh*t. Running and cycling can burn upwards of 1000 kcals per hour. And the lactic acid, "cortzone", "rest mode" thing is just comical, sorry.
And? Like I said before, you can hit half of that at McDonalds in 15 minutes.
Wrong.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post.
I mean come on...."hard to break down carbs"??? Most people don't categorize "wood chips" as carbs. :laugh:
rocadelpunk
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the government should sue every fast food and chain and get rid of the debt!
two birds with one stone : P
two birds with one stone : P
HumblePie
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doh, your right on the 3500 extra calories = 1 pound of fat. Which is cumulative because your body doesn't wait until you made up 3500 extra calories and then decide now is a good time to add 1 pound of fat to your a$$ while you sleep. It's a continual process.
I never said, don't exercise though. I'm merely pointing out that exercise ALONE won't make you lose weight. In fact, exercising to lose stored fat is a very poor way to lose stored fat. However, you still need to exercise to be healthly for all those reasons you mentioned above.
Ohh.. and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't use that line about "metabolism" which is the biggest crock of a buzzword. Metabolism doesn't change unless your body temperature changes. Which is what drugs like effedrin and such try to do. They raise your heart rate, and thus your body heat, and thus your metabolism. To maintain that, you use more energy. Since the average person has a body temp of 98.6 most people have the same metabolism. It only slows down when you sleep or exercise but only for that period. As for exercise "changing" your metabolism. Yes your heart rate and body temp increases while you are working out. You use more calories during that time frame. Unless you can keep up that work out for 16 straight hours, the amount of calories you burn isn't going to be that high. Also, the moment you STOP working out, your body tries to drop your heart rate and conserve energy quickly, thus lowering your metabolism below your average for a time frame. Which means you burn less calories during that time. Depending on how stressful your workout was your body could be exhausted enough to force sleep or pass out.
People that use the word "metabolism" lose all respect from me when they talk about exercise, dieting, and health. Unless they are trying to sell you a drug which artifically raises is it for an extended period of time, which is usually very unhealthy, you don't "change" your metabolism.
You CAN however, force muscle tissue to gain in size and density which causes an need for increased blood flow. This will cause more calories to be burned on average through a day to maintain bigger and developed muscles. The amount burned is small as well unless you are frikking He-man, Master of the Universe. Your average body builder will burn off around 100-200 extra calories per day or less compared to someone with an average BMI.
Another fun myth I like to point out to people. You do not usually GROW muscles through exercise unless you literally tear a muscle and need to heal it. Tearing a muscle is a bad thing mmkay. All you do is force more protien, water, and blood into a muscle which causes it to become bigger (in the case of more water and blood) or denser (in the case of more protien). How much more you can force in is based off genetics. Some people can force in a lot of extra protien and get that "ripped" and sculpted look real easily. Others can force in more water and blood and get that big, barrel chest, arms like a massive tree trunk look. The amount of muscle changes very little from exercise.
HumblePie
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sigh... fiber is a "carb" and you don't break it down. The bacteria in your intestines can, which can cause gas. This is why BEANS cause farting problems for people. Uncooked beans are completely undigestable. Cooked beans makes "most" of the carbs in a bean digestable by humans, but not all of it.
Its only beacause our country is so large that we tend to spread everything out and walking to places just isn't an option. If you look at metro places like new york, paris, london, and all that people tend to walk a lot more and therefore get daily excercise.
Our country is big and spread out so therefore we must become big and spread out.
Our country is big and spread out so therefore we must become big and spread out.
just eating healthy does squat , you might loose weight initially but the moment you slack off for a bit you will put on weight fast (i am talking from experience), you need to exerice to develop a good metabolism, and you also need to include weight training so your lean mass goes up and you burn more calories when you arent working out
HumblePie
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Uhhh.. LOL. If you are getting that off a machine telling you how many calories you "burned" then you are using a broken machine. You don't burn that many calories with exercise unless you can keep up the exercise and an higher then average heartrate (at least 70% of your max rate based off sex and age) for hours on end. Unless you are doing the Tour De France, that isn't going to happen. The recommended exercise is for 30 minutes at 3 times a week. This means keeping your heart rate up past 70% of it's max rate for an entire 30 minutes. Guess how many calories you burn during this time? A few hundred like I poined out above if you are lucky. In an hour you can do 400 to maybe 500 calories if you can maintain a strenous activity for tha time frame.
I did make another mistake. Yes you CAN lose weight through exercise, but it is extremely difficult and time consuming. It takes HOURS every day to do this. Even still, if you eat more calories then you use, it doesn't matter how much exercise you get. I could workout straight for 8 hours a day and as long as I'm munching down a 700 calorie Jumbo Jack with cheese every hour on the hour I'll still GAIN fat weight.
I could also go to sleep for the next 2 weeks and lose over 5 pounds of fat since I have no calorie intake. Yet, sleeping for 2 weeks is definately not exercise.
I'm also, not arguing over the fact people blow through the amount of calories they should be getting in a day with their first meal of the day. Some people can consume several THOUSANDS of calories in a single meal and that's one of 3 or more meals they are going to eat. Don't even get me started on buffet style restuarants.
As for effects of exercise afterwards. LOL, if you choose not to "believe" thats your perogative. It doesn't change the facts on the subject. Exercise causes your body to produce many chemicals during and afterwards. Many of these are the same chemicals produced during "stress" which is a failed release of the fight or flight response. Many cause your body to have an urge to eat or sleep. If not sleep at the very least to rest.
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: dug777
i suspect we aussies are close behind
naa barbies are good for ya
american fast food isn't tho
ppl still think mcdonalds is healthy :thumbsdown:
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