The way it's being measured is flawed. It's based on a BMI, which compares height and weight only. It does not take into account any other factors. I work out, and run everyday. I happen to be 6'2" and 230lbs and nowhere near obese, except by this standard. It's such a crock.
If you are in the work force, you understand that a lot of adults see the time they arn't working as their relaxation time. With good reason no less (because a lot of jobs wear on people, especially if they arn't even in shape). Once you understand this, you realize why it is so hard for someone to go home and then work even harder at home than they did at work. It is extremely easy to just call everyone lazy, but it will never solve anything.
GeekDrew
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Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Right. So... tell me again why we should?(I'm somewhat playing devil's advocate here, somewhat not) I've never been "average"... I've *always* been overweight... so I've got no reason to believe that I would feel 10x better if I were to lose weight. I have very few physical problems as it is...
Well, I will tell you why I felt I should. Because I was having increasing problems with my health. I didn't like being out of breath from running up a staircase and I wanted a flat stomache because I didn't like the way my shirt hit my stomache when standing in the wind. I also plan to do some traveling in 2006 and I wanted to be able to travel comfortable regardless of the heat. Incase you didn't know, a healthy person can deal with heat a whole lot better than an overweight person can. I also had an ongoing issue where I would wake up in the morning and then fall back asleep for 15 minutes and wake back up, generally just having a tough time getting up, It got frustrating so I got back in shape and it went away.
Also, just because you've always been average doesn't mean theres no reason you would feel 10x better. It is a fact that you would be lighter on your feet and that alone feels good.
Yeah... I knew about that already (about handling heat).
My point was not that I would not feel better, but that I have no reason to *believe* that I would feel better, because I've never been there before. I guess I'm apparently more stubborn than a lot of people... but I don't take anything that someone says as the truth (with few exceptions). It just means nothing to me. Someone telling me that losing weight made their feet hurt (illogical, I know) weighs exactly the same as what you said... barely at all. :-\ And it's a catch 22, because I know that I'll never believe them until I try it... but I don't want to try it, until I believe it will happen.
This reminds me of....
The fast and the Hungry
I Live My Life A 1/4-pounder At A Time.and For Those 500 Calories Or More,i'm
Free. I Need Friessss!!! Two Of Them.the Big Ones.oh,and I Need Them By
Tonight.you're Lucky The Double Shot Of Bbq Sauce Didn't Blow The Seam On Your
Nugget Box. There She Is,2 Pounds Of Pure Beef.my Dad Ate It In 9.0 Seconds
Flat.check It Out,it's Like This. If I Lose, Winner Takes My Happy Meal Clean
And Clear.but If I Win,i Take The Burger And The Toy. To Some People That's
More Important.
hahahahahahhaha this is as good as the how to poop at work write up... hahahahha
The fast and the Hungry
I Live My Life A 1/4-pounder At A Time.and For Those 500 Calories Or More,i'm
Free. I Need Friessss!!! Two Of Them.the Big Ones.oh,and I Need Them By
Tonight.you're Lucky The Double Shot Of Bbq Sauce Didn't Blow The Seam On Your
Nugget Box. There She Is,2 Pounds Of Pure Beef.my Dad Ate It In 9.0 Seconds
Flat.check It Out,it's Like This. If I Lose, Winner Takes My Happy Meal Clean
And Clear.but If I Win,i Take The Burger And The Toy. To Some People That's
More Important.
hahahahahahhaha this is as good as the how to poop at work write up... hahahahha
The only big reason a thin person would be on medication would be if they didn't eat healthy. I know a guy who is thin, but eats the worst food I have ever seen. He used to eat 4 bowls of straight gravy with all of his fried food. He is mid-20s and has heart problems and has to take medication.
Plus your older friends are from a generation that ate healthy but ate alot because they did a lot more stuff outdoors. It is totally different now. Chances are when they were kids, they went out and did things outdoors, and then ate a big meal at home and got a little overweight. I have an obese friend who is active and eats properly and is losing weight. He feels much better now even though he had no health problems before. My dad is overweight, and in his mid to upper 60s, but he is one of the most healthy guys I know. He looks mid-40s and can still kick my butt in martial arts. But he eats healthy even though he is overweight, and he works out.
This generation, eats out more, works out less, and watches TV or plays computer games instead. They may have the same build as those older guys, but they will be much more unhealthy when they get to that age. I guarantee that.
Amused
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In a way, I agree. Look around you and on an average day, you can count the number of serious (or even semi-serious) body builders on one hand (the gym doesn't count).
Now, I'm a serious natural body builder and I LOOK built.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0438.JPG
At 6' 210 the BMI puts me as mildly overweight. That's OK. But it takes a LOT of muscle to put you there.
Let's face it, the percentage of people put into the overweight category on the BMI because of muscle mass is VERY small.
And the percentage of people put into the obese category on the BMI because of muscle mass is negligible.
My point is that if BMI doesn't apply to you, you're probably aware of this. It doesn't change the fact that obesity is a big
P) issue.Haha true true. I am right at the top of the BMI scale for my hight, and I am quite muscular, but not overly like some people who think muscles equate healthy, but I could still lose weight.
Shut it, fatty.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point is that if BMI doesn't apply to you, you're probably aware of this. It doesn't change the fact that obesity is a big
Read my edit. I'm agreeing with you.
Ya poo-poo head.
My problem is that I pig out when I'm bored. However, I have been getting plenty of exercise (biking mostly). I've been planning out ~30km trips on Google Earth. Other than getting lost in some town I'd never heard of until now, it's been pretty fun
My BMI is 24.7 right now and I got 7th in the State Championships a couple weeks ago. I'm pretty sure Weight Watchers isn't on my immediate horizon.
Amused
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The root of the ENTIRE obesity epidemic right there, folks. There is just little else to do when spending all day sitting on your ass at work, and doing the SAME thing at home watching cable/sat TV, surfing the Internet, or playing video games.
And the reason the munchie selection in supermarkets has literally exploded in the last 20 years.
I am in the work force, and I worked my way through college to pay for it. I worked 12-14 hour days during the summers between college, and during college I worked 3-4 hours a day while taking classes. Plus my final summer, I worked 10-12 hours a day while taken a full course load (I would only sleep about 4 hours a day during that time). Trust me when I say I have heard all the excuses and they don't fit. Work wore me down a lot, but if a person is self-displined enough, they can lose the weight.
Like I said before, an obese person can go out and find something fun that doesn't feel like "working"-out. There are plenty of things like that.
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's no longer a matter of education. We've been slapped up side the head with the "obesity is bad mmmmmmmkay" mantra for a good decade or two. People KNOW being obese is bad. People KNOW that eating excessive amounts of food and unbalanced diets are bad. People KNOW they need to exercise.
But they just don't care enough to do it.
It's not a knoweldge issue. It's an action issue.
The only way I see some kind of motiviation is by providing some sort of financial incentives being offered by the goverment.
How that would be enacted, I have no idea.
Have a certfied, licensed physical prove you lost 50 pounds this year and get a $500 tax deduction?
It is easy to say it is an action issue, but I think it goes beyond that. I believe we have identified the problem by stating that being overweight is bad but nobody has identified the solution. It is easy to tell people to go outside and "get exercise", but this isn't a real answer! I've been running for 3 months now to get in good shape. I'd be lying if I said it was easy or cheap, I spent $3,000 on my setup, TV + Treadmill and plan to spend another $3,000 when I get a bowflex or other workout unit. Obviously, everyone doesn't have to spend as much as me, but the realization is there that I found something that "works" and it cost this much. Before I had this setup, I didn't like the options available to me. I didn't want to run through the city or join a gym, I wanted to get in shape and have my privacy and thats where the difficulty comes in.
I think it is hard for people to realize that we have a society where getting into shape has become a somewhat difficult extracaricular activity. People will continue getting fatter until there is an easy solution that fits the majority of lifestyles, that simple.
I agree with vi_edit. People are lazy fat bastards that need to get out and do something once in a while.
Pretty much. The key is that our lifestyles have changed so dramatically over the last 75 years, yet our bodies have not evolved to cope with the change. As little as 60 years ago, people were walking most places they needed to go. They actually washed dishes and clothes by hand.. Most jobs were manual labor. Evolution takes thousands of years to adapt to the changes we've undergone in less than 100..
People need to realize you need to exercise.. Walk.. bike.. jog.. lift weights.. get off your ass.
blame the 99 cent menu!
find me an organic pita with delicious grilled fresh veggies for 99 cents.
find me an organic pita with delicious grilled fresh veggies for 99 cents.
lozina
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Maybe now with higher gas prices this trend will start to reverse
People just gotta stop eating so much if they gonna sit on their ass all day. It's really quite simple. I lost 15 lbs. in less than a month just by restricting my calorie intake- no adjustment to excersizing. I sit in a chair all day at work so I realized I don't need all those extra calories. I eat the same food just less of it. It requires a bit of discipline every should have
People just gotta stop eating so much if they gonna sit on their ass all day. It's really quite simple. I lost 15 lbs. in less than a month just by restricting my calorie intake- no adjustment to excersizing. I sit in a chair all day at work so I realized I don't need all those extra calories. I eat the same food just less of it. It requires a bit of discipline every should have
purbeast0
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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's no longer a matter of education. We've been slapped up side the head with the "obesity is bad mmmmmmmkay" mantra for a good decade or two. People KNOW being obese is bad. People KNOW that eating excessive amounts of food and unbalanced diets are bad. People KNOW they need to exercise.
But they just don't care enough to do it.
It's not a knoweldge issue. It's an action issue.
The only way I see some kind of motiviation is by providing some sort of financial incentives being offered by the goverment.
How that would be enacted, I have no idea.
Have a certfied, licensed physical prove you lost 50 pounds this year and get a $500 tax deduction?
:thumbsup: I know I'm overweight. I just don't care enough to change that. If there were some motivation to do so, I probably would. There are a couple of things I can think of that would motivate me to do so, but they aren't for print on a family friendly forum.
knowing you are overweight, which is not healthy and not good looking, isn't motivation enough?
just knowing that being fat is unhealthy and it can make your life shorter than it has to be is motivation enough for me to continue to keep in good shape. and its fun to try to stay in shape and seeing how you can physically change your appearance.
I agree with most of what you've said, but I think you're underestimating fast food. Sure fast food was around in the 50s. But the portion sizes have like tripled and the frequency of people eating the fast food has increased. Fries and coke are just as bad as the junk food section.
But it's the people's fault for eating at such places.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's no longer a matter of education. We've been slapped up side the head with the "obesity is bad mmmmmmmkay" mantra for a good decade or two. People KNOW being obese is bad. People KNOW that eating excessive amounts of food and unbalanced diets are bad. People KNOW they need to exercise.
But they just don't care enough to do it.
It's not a knoweldge issue. It's an action issue.
The only way I see some kind of motiviation is by providing some sort of financial incentives being offered by the goverment.
How that would be enacted, I have no idea.
Have a certfied, licensed physical prove you lost 50 pounds this year and get a $500 tax deduction?
The government giving incentives for fat people to lose weight is stupid. If an obese person won't take personal responsibility to try and reduce their weight, it's their loss. They'll die at a young age due to one (or more) of the health problems caused by obesity and the problem will take care of itself.
If people aren't going to take care of themselves, why should the government? If some random fatty wants to eat McD every day and then go home and sit in front of the TV/computer for the whole day then I say let them. Once people start dying because of it, others will come to realize and will start making changes in their lifestyle.
In the meanwhile, don't raise my insurance premiums and health care costs because Fatty McFatterson isn't willing to take care of himself/herself.
GeekDrew, you're right. You shouldn't take personal responsibility. Instead, continue living your lifestyle. Then go sue a doctor because he told you you were fat. While you're at it, go sue the airline company because decided to charge you twice as much since you occupy twice the amount of space a healthy person would.
Edit: Speeling
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