US Patriot Act

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Howard
He also said this:

Keep your eyes wide open before marriage, half shut afterwards.

What a brilliant man. 🙂

He apparently had a great deal of wit, and was quite the flirt.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Yeah...that's what I've been saying.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

Bull. Its just the beginning.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

Bull. Its just the beginning.

I would agree with that. Whose to say that my website saying that I hate Rumsfeld isn't aiding terrorism?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

Bull. Its just the beginning.

Thanks for your opinion, miss cleo.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

Bull. Its just the beginning.

I would agree with that. Who's to say that my website saying that I hate Rumsfeld isn't aiding terrorism?

You have a website dedicated to hating something? How about dedicating it to promoting something? Gosh, then you might be open to criticism. Nope, better stick with self-righteousness...it's easier than taking a stand for something...ask Canada.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberty is essential. The last thing humanity needs, Hero, is for people like you to define it for us.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Howard
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...

Using email or telephones to conduct terrost activities is not an "essential liberty"...unless you're a terrorist.

This act is only for investigation of suspected terrorist or criminal activities. Your pr0n is safe, so relax.

Bull. Its just the beginning.

I would agree with that. Who's to say that my website saying that I hate Rumsfeld isn't aiding terrorism?

You have a website dedicated to hating something? How about dedicating it to promoting something? Gosh, then you might be open to criticism. Nope, better stick with self-righteousness...it's easier than taking a stand for something...ask Canada.

Your insult makes no sense. Did you have a point?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Liberty is essential. The last thing humanity needs, Hero, is for people like you to define it for us.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Liberty is essential. The last thing humanity needs, Hero, is for people like you to define it for us.

Liberty? Which liberty exactly, moonbeam? I don't have the liberty to walk around naked in Walmart or build a house on public land or drive on the wrong side of the street or run red lights or have fifteen wives or carry loaded weapons in my car or do drugs. You want to know why? For the safety of everybody. There are plenty of liberties we don't have for the sake of the common good. What you're arguing for is anarchy with no rules or laws if you're saying there's no liberty we should be denied.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Liberty is essential. The last thing humanity needs, Hero, is for people like you to define it for us.

Liberty? Which liberty exactly, moonbeam? I don't have the liberty to walk around naked in Walmart or build a house on public land or drive on the wrong side of the street or run red lights or have fifteen wives or carry loaded weapons in my car or do drugs. You want to know why? For the safety of everybody. There are plenty of liberties we don't have for the sake of the common good. What you're arguing for is anarchy with no rules or laws if you're saying there's no liberty we should be denied.

The American concept of liberty is derived largely from John Locke. Read the Second Treatise of Government. You're free to do what you want so long as you don't violate the life, liberty or property of another...all rights come from that.

 

[ElFenix]

OMG the illuminati are taking over!

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
If you hate America, move to Iraq!

This country is turning more into Iraq everyday. But of course you're just too blind to recognize it.

WHoa there. NOt really at all. As a citizen I gladly accept some limits on my freedom to increase security, but in NO WAY is this country turning into Iraq: We don't have a dictator that slaughters thousands of people, we don't have an authoritarian state that forces its beliefs on us.

If you really believe this country is like Iraq, move there and shut up.

Someone hasn't been to Europe and saw what real freedom is all about.

 

[AkumaX]

this USA Patriot Act sucks

 

[Giblet]

Originally posted by: philmacrevis
While they're reading my e-mail, they could at least delete some of my spam.

actualy spam might make them not want to read it

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

All I am asking is that you read the bill on your own. Do not take filtered versions from focus groups like the EFF. You should read the entire bill if you wish to critique it and honestly be qualified to state was the bill says.

I have been encouraging the people here to do that for over a year now. It does no good. They can't be troubled to read for themselves and are content to let other people think for them and tell them what their opinion should be. It's really very sad and at the same time very funny because these same people will call you a sheep if you try to explain or defend something the .gov is doing.

While there is some indication that some of the people in this thread have read at least part of the bill, I see no reason to believe either of you have yet.

I have every indication that your head is stuck so far up your ass that the only thing you could possibly "see" is your tonsils.

Sounds like you have the same sources as Matt Drudge.

 

[yellowperil]

I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in "if you don't like America, move [to Iraq] and shut up" in response to the comment that the US is turning more like Iraq. As it happens freedom of speech (including the right to voice dissent against the gov't) is one of the things that distinguishes us from Iraq...or at least should.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: philmacrevis
While they're reading my e-mail, they could at least delete some of my spam.

lol

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in "if you don't like America, move [to Iraq] and shut up" in response to the comment that the US is turning more like Iraq. As it happens freedom of speech (including the right to voice dissent against the gov't) is one of the things that distinguishes us from Iraq...or at least should.

Yes, I've seen how "freedom of speech" works in the US

You won't even notice its gone.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: yellowperil
I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in "if you don't like America, move [to Iraq] and shut up" in response to the comment that the US is turning more like Iraq. As it happens freedom of speech (including the right to voice dissent against the gov't) is one of the things that distinguishes us from Iraq...or at least should.

Yes, I've seen how "freedom of speech" works in the US

You won't even notice its gone.

Maybe once it goes we can come up to canada and capture your ass for speaking out....

 

[PCMarine]

We had a lengthy discussion on this topic in my AP US History class. The Patriot Act (And it's upcomming addition) is quite shocking; Americans are getting toocaught up in terrorism and war to realize what is happening to their constitutional rights.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: yellowperil
I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in "if you don't like America, move [to Iraq] and shut up" in response to the comment that the US is turning more like Iraq. As it happens freedom of speech (including the right to voice dissent against the gov't) is one of the things that distinguishes us from Iraq...or at least should.

Yes, I've seen how "freedom of speech" works in the US

You won't even notice its gone.

Maybe once it goes we can come up to canada and capture your ass for speaking out....

I'll introduce you to Mr. Glock.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

We can only hope . . .

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: PCMarine
We had a lengthy discussion on this topic in my AP US History class. The Patriot Act (And it's upcomming addition) is quite shocking; Americans are getting toocaught up in terrorism and war to realize what is happening to their constitutional rights.

Tell me, what constitutional rights do you have left? Other than the 2nd Amendment, that is?