US is mistreating Al-Qaida prisoners!

[Rogue]

You know, the funny thing is, after my post, all the Euro whiners seem to have disappeared into oblivion, probably on some crusade against something else that makes sense to the common man.

To answer the other question, no, it is not torture to put them on their knees. Ever see a muslim pray? Guess they torture themselves multiple times per day then, huh? Jesus, people are really trying to dig up anything they can to prove these guys are mishandled.

 

[burnedout]

You know, the funny thing is, after my post, all the Euro whiners seem to have disappeared into oblivion, probably on some crusade against something else that makes sense to the common man.

When proven wrong or confronted with an objective argument, many (not all) fail to respond because they know they are inherently wrong.

Hey, I always knew MPs were good for something

 

[Rogue]

HEY! No MP cracks! Don't make me treat you inhumanely damnit!

 

[burnedout]

HEY! No MP cracks! Don't make me treat you inhumanely damnit

Haha, just joking. Can't tell you how much I really appreciate what Military Policemen actually do. Couldn't convey that so well when I was a drunken Private back in '80 or '81. But as a retired SFC, the story is entirely different. Had some opportunities to work with you guys on a couple occasions and always found MPs very professional and highly competent.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< You know, the funny thing is, after my post, all the Euro whiners seem to have disappeared into oblivion, probably on some crusade against something else that makes sense to the common man. >>



This thread was starting to stress me out. I don't have the time or the energy to continue this thread. That is why I haven't posted here. After having to listen to Rison and his "comments" it's no wonder my motive to post to this thread took a nosedive.

EDIT: And I have no intention to post to this thread anymore. Enough is enough

 

See what I'm talking about:

http://www1.msnbc.com/local/WNBC/NBCX81911WC.asp



<< They chanted, "INS, FBI, no more kidnaps, no more lies," and waved signs that read, "Stop racist attacks on immigrants" and "Close the INS jails, open up the borders." >>



Liberals suck. If we let these people run the country Sept 11th would be a weekly occurrence. Ya think if you offered an Al-Qaida member a granola bar they wouldn't shoot you? I am going there tonight, I hope they are out again.

 

[JoeBaD]

The bleeding heart civil libertarians have run away with their tails between their legs.

Well done!

 

[Lioness]

The US is not only abusing these prisoners, they are torturing them by:

Forcing them to eat 3 meals a day
Forcing them to bathe once a week
Forcing them to live, when they want to die in the act of matrydom
Forcing them to receive medical care
Forcing them to live under the sun and not in a cave
Forcing them to wear clean clothes
Forcing them to be a human being

 

[wQuay]

If they are only forced to sit on their legs during relocation inside the camp, that's fine. But if they're forced to regularly do that inside their cells then I would consider that torture. Try the position for a while, it hurts.

 

[Mavrick]

<< Once again, I will join this conversation and remind you bleeding hearts who are pissing and moaning about this that they are on a tropical island getting three hot meals a day, invariably the same food our soldiers risking their lives to guard them are eating. Their country, the one they raped, pillaged, plundered, corrupted and ravaged hasn't shed any tears to see them gone either. Show me one report where a credible government offical from Afghanistan has stepped forward to speak out on the treatment of these savages. Take your bleeding heart bull$hit elsewhere. Better yet, start an "Adopt and Al Qaeda" or a "Take-in a Talib" program in your home town for these guys and see how well you and your family last against these zealots of Islam. >>



Hehehehe. I agree!

 

[Speedy3D!]

good!

 

[managerdan]

With three meals a day and a roof over their head, theat's probably better than the rat holes they use to live in. We'll probably have to drag them out of there kicking and screamming in returning all back home some day.

 

[Murphyrulez]

I agree that we should not take them out and kill them.... Yet.

There is a time for everything, and their time will come.


On a side note, perhaps Eakers should send an invitation to Cuba, maybe they would like to come to the Atot meeting in Canada. She could tell them how much she cares about their feelings... Right before they yell Allah Akhbar and slaughter everyone.... Oops...

Maybe we shoulda kept them in the cage.

 

[Nefrodite]

The US is not only abusing these prisoners, they are torturing them by:

Forcing them to eat 3 meals a day
Forcing them to bathe once a week
Forcing them to live, when they want to die in the act of matrydom
Forcing them to receive medical care
Forcing them to live under the sun and not in a cave
Forcing them to wear clean clothes
Forcing them to be a human being

you forgot the ethnically appropriate meals.. how considerate we are
and the prayer over the speakers + indicators of which direction to pray
allowing them to pray

what would be funny is if we gave them all this but gave em beatings anyways hehe

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

<< konichiwa
You want people to get their rights or not?
Only if they deserve to have those rights.

Who are you to judge whether someone deserves basic human treatment?

Nice point, However I am one of the thounsands who awakes in the morning in a foregin land,
I put on the uniform that represents our country and what it stands for. We serve not for ourself
but for family, wives, children and fellow Americans. As we like to say for GOD, COUNTRY and CORPS.........
It is to bad that we who provide this freedom, cannot choose who we give it to.I have been to combat
twice for my Country, I think, hell I know I have earned the right to speak aginst these towel heads
in any way that I choose.
How can you think for one monment that these towel heads are human?
They had their one and only chance. When they heard of the building going down, they should have dropped
from the group and started dirt farming. I do not give human rights to those who were apart of a group that
has used an airplane as a weapon, when it was filled with men, women and children. >>



I appreciate your duty to the country, and it is people like you who should understand best the greatness of the USA. But Your views are very contrary to what the constitution is all about. Your statement "have earned the right to speak aginst these towel heads
in any way that I choose. [/b]" is faulty. No one can earn a right by definition. A right is something someone has by virtue of being human. And it is for this reason that rights can not be stripped from people, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE/BELIEVE. Human rights and freedoms is what makes this country great, and picking and choosing who gets these rights is by definition Non-american.

Cigar

 

[tedthebear]

"I appreciate your duty to the country, and it is people like you who should understand best the greatness of the USA. But Your views are very contrary to what the constitution is all about. Your statement "have earned the right to speak aginst these towel heads
in any way that I choose. " is faulty. No one can earn a right by definition. A right is something someone has by virtue of being human. And it is for this reason that rights can not be stripped from people, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE/BELIEVE. Human rights and freedoms is what makes this country great, and picking and choosing who gets these rights is by definition Non-american.

Cigar"


Bravo! Well said! That's why we need soldiers BUT ALSO a constitution: to remind us that our common good, not our individual egos, is what we're fighting for.

 

[Dually]

Mistreating them, give me a break, they should be lucky to be alive.

 

[YoullMispronounceIt]

Great article from the NY Post.

Amnesty Int'l... (sighs with contempt)

 

[xirtam]

Hmmmm... I really think we need to ask ourselves what we are really seeking: revenge or justice.

Droning on and on about how we ought to repay evil for evil, transgression for transgression, sin for sin... that's revenge. It's natural to want to avenge those we have tragically lost -- but is it justified?

Whose place is it to decide who a terrorist is, anyway? If I put a towel on my head and pray toward Mecca, do I suddenly become one of them? What if I, being an imperfect human, commit terrorism in lesser forms... say, aggravate someone. At what point do we determine that I am a terrorist worthy of capital punishment or term imprisonment? Justice should decide this -- justice motivated not by fear or anger, but by the moral due universally applicable to all by virtue of their humanity.

Be careful where you point your finger. The United States terrorizes just as much as it destroys terrorism.

 

[conjur]

<< Hmmmm... I really think we need to ask ourselves what we are really seeking: revenge or justice.

Droning on and on about how we ought to repay evil for evil, transgression for transgression, sin for sin... that's revenge. It's natural to want to avenge those we have tragically lost -- but is it justified?

Whose place is it to decide who a terrorist is, anyway? If I put a towel on my head and pray toward Mecca, do I suddenly become one of them? What if I, being an imperfect human, commit terrorism in lesser forms... say, aggravate someone. At what point do we determine that I am a terrorist worthy of capital punishment or term imprisonment? Justice should decide this -- justice motivated not by fear or anger, but by the moral due universally applicable to all by virtue of their humanity.

Be careful where you point your finger. The United States terrorizes just as much as it destroys terrorism. >>



While I somewhat agree with your last sentence, your remark about putting a towel on your head and then, by assumption, being a terrorist is completely ludicrous. Of course that wouldn't make you a terrorist. Now if you started hoarding plastic explosives and sneaking weapons onto airplanes and making plans to kill tens, hundreds, thousands, etc. of innocent people then, yes, you'd be a terrorist (no matter if you wore a towel, sock, bag, condom on your head).

These people (are they really people considering what they've done?) being held in Cuba are part of one of the most evil organizations ever to roam the face of this planet. Waltzing them through the U.S. justice system will most likely not result in justice being done. I wouldn't shed one single tear if they were all tortured to death over a long time period (say, a month or two).

And, to add on to this and digress a bit. I think the U.S. gov't should seek out and destroy the mafia next.

 

[tedthebear]

:disgust: "I wouldn't shed one single tear if they were all tortured to death over a long time period (say, a month or two)."

That sentiment sounds like revenge-seeking to me. That's not the kind of person I want to be. No thanks.

 

[xirtam]

<< While I somewhat agree with your last sentence, your remark about putting a towel on your head and then, by assumption, being a terrorist is completely ludicrous. Of course that wouldn't make you a terrorist. >>



My point exactly. And yet these are the people who are still dying every day from the "second-hand smoke" of US "justice." Do the ends justify the means? Does it matter how we seek justice as long as the end result is "an eye for an eye"? I think that the means are what will justify, and I think it does matter how we seek our justice.

How many innocent civilian casualties are we willing to write off as side effects before we will call ourselves terrorists? That was my point.

 

[etech]

Just for the record, can someone explain to me exactly how the Al-Qaida prisoners are being mistreated.

 

[Bigdude]

They are illegal combatants, and aren't covered by the Geneva convention.

 

[Sebthesupersnail]

Apparently, the inmates get 'Fruit Loops' for breakfast...

A sterling endorsement for Kelloggs "Fruit Loops, the choice of Islamic Extremists"