US F16 Deepest Intrusion into Iran sofar

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: PascalT
Well the propaganda machine has begun already.

Iran is funding terrorists.

Iran is acquiring nukes.

Iran lacks "freedom".

etc.


Deja vu anyone?

Anyone ever refuted #1 and #2.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wonder who would side with Iran if we attacked them?

Syria
NORTH KOREA
PAKISTAN

Who else?

Pakistan no chance in hell. Pakistan is going to sit and watch and not say a word.

Syria is not going to do anything. It seems the U.S is telling Syria to leave Lebanon. The only way Syria would get involved is if they stayed in Lebanon.

North Korean is nothing but "blah blah nuke blah blah nuke"

The rest of the world will just be like Bush = Hitler.
Nobody can mess with the U.S so the U.S does what the U.S wants.

I hope we don't have to find out..

I wonder what the Muslim Extremists in Pakistan would do if Iran was attacked.. would they possibly overthrow their government and launch an attack on US Soldiers in Iraq?

Nothing.

Pakistan and Iran are not close.
Pakistan and Afghanistan were like blood brothers. When Afghanistan was attacked the Pakistani people did nothing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Yes they do. However one can easily say Iranian jets entered Iraq and shot down a U.S plane.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Yes they do. However one can easily say Iranian jets entered Iraq and shot down a U.S plane.

They could have hit it with a SAM.

 

[glenn1]

So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Technically they could but in a scenario like this it wouldn't happen since it would cause an international incident. Shootdown incidents like the Soviets downing the Korean Air jumbo and the U.S. downing that Iranian Airlines flight have made governments a bit less trigger happy when some pilot makes a mistake and is in the wrong place. Even when it's a military warplane involved unless its intent is clearly aggresive it's not considered polite to shoot down someone who might be lost. They'll give them the benefit of the doubt unless pilots getting "lost" becomes a recurring problem.

Most likely scenario is that they would scramble some interceptors to point out that the pilot in question is in the wrong place and firmly "escort" them out of their airspace. Plus I'm sure the interceptor pilots would enjoy seeing the "oh sh!t" look on the American pilot's face when they vector in on him with a half-dozen MiG's and he realizes that he's in the bad side of town.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It's a probe to see what kind of response they get from Inaq.

Light them up with a Triple-A or SAM & we'l know what their weapon systems are,
where they are, and how to kill the defense.

Exactly. The U.S. is baiting Iran into turning on their air defense systems (radar) so we can analyze their system for weaknesses/holes.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Is Iran and Iraq really worth Taiwan and the possibility of a World War?

good question...

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: glenn1

So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Technically they could but in a scenario like this it wouldn't happen since it would cause an international incident. Shootdown incidents like the Soviets downing the Korean Air jumbo and the U.S. downing that Iranian Airlines flight have made governments a bit less trigger happy when some pilot makes a mistake and is in the wrong place. Even when it's a military warplane involved unless its intent is clearly aggresive it's not considered polite to shoot down someone who might be lost. They'll give them the benefit of the doubt unless pilots getting "lost" becomes a recurring problem.

Most likely scenario is that they would scramble some interceptors to point out that the pilot in question is in the wrong place and firmly "escort" them out of their airspace. Plus I'm sure the interceptor pilots would enjoy seeing the "oh sh!t" look on the American pilot's face when they vector in on him with a half-dozen MiG's and he realizes that he's in the bad side of town.

Give me a break. The U.S. would know the MOMENT any Iranian planes left the ground. There is no way Iran could sneak up on an F16. The F16 would be LONG gone by the time any Iranian planes got anywhere near him, or there would be about 10 other U.S. jets there by the time they got there. The U.S. advantage in avionics and radar is massive. The F16 could be shooting them down before the Mig's even knew where he was for sure.

Besides, I have a feeling they are not sending Joe Smith the math teacher reservist to fly into Iran.. my guess is the guys flying in there are pretty damn elite. Like others have said, they are showing Iran we have the capability to fly over their country uncontested, and if they DO contest us we will show them what will happen when they do.. All of this posturing leads Iran to believe we can and will bomb their nuclear facilities, and there is nothing they can do about it.. which then hopefully tells them that they should AVOID that from happening by cooperating.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Exactly. The U.S. is baiting Iran into turning on their air defense systems (radar) so we can analyze their system for weaknesses/holes

Yep.

Show us what you're using and you sign the death-warrent for that system.

Also . . . there won't be any 'dogfights' with the Itanian AF - their bestest {neat word, huh ?) gear are the 'old' Tomcats' from back on the aught-80's, pre Carter.
They won't risk the few they've got to banter with the acrobatic, agile F-16's that infest that region.

Running Perimeter Probes of the Air Defense on the Iranian Front, and pulling the Ambasadors out of Syria, and nagging of Egypt and Russia,
and North Korea by the Conda-Sleazy Sexretary of De-Fence all at the same time is really, really dumb -
or arrogant.

 

[bamacre]

Aimster, are you wanting the US to invade Iran, or is this just what you actually expect to happen?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: glenn1

So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Technically they could but in a scenario like this it wouldn't happen since it would cause an international incident. Shootdown incidents like the Soviets downing the Korean Air jumbo and the U.S. downing that Iranian Airlines flight have made governments a bit less trigger happy when some pilot makes a mistake and is in the wrong place. Even when it's a military warplane involved unless its intent is clearly aggresive it's not considered polite to shoot down someone who might be lost. They'll give them the benefit of the doubt unless pilots getting "lost" becomes a recurring problem.

Most likely scenario is that they would scramble some interceptors to point out that the pilot in question is in the wrong place and firmly "escort" them out of their airspace. Plus I'm sure the interceptor pilots would enjoy seeing the "oh sh!t" look on the American pilot's face when they vector in on him with a half-dozen MiG's and he realizes that he's in the bad side of town.

Give me a break. The U.S. would know the MOMENT any Iranian planes left the ground. There is no way Iran could sneak up on an F16. The F16 would be LONG gone by the time any Iranian planes got anywhere near him, or there would be about 10 other U.S. jets there by the time they got there. The U.S. advantage in avionics and radar is massive. The F16 could be shooting them down before the Mig's even knew where he was for sure.

Besides, I have a feeling they are not sending Joe Smith the math teacher reservist to fly into Iran.. my guess is the guys flying in there are pretty damn elite. Like others have said, they are showing Iran we have the capability to fly over their country uncontested, and if they DO contest us we will show them what will happen when they do.. All of this posturing leads Iran to believe we can and will bomb their nuclear facilities, and there is nothing they can do about it.. which then hopefully tells them that they should AVOID that from happening by cooperating.

Actually, There is no way for the U.S to know if Iranian jets have left the ground. I don't think the F-16s have an entire Iran on their radar screens. That would be one large radar.

Iran has air defense systems in place to shoot down enemy fighters. They learned from Iraq and turned them all off so the U.S doesn't know where they are.

Iranian planes can do the same to the U.S if they wish. They can sneak into Iraq and fly out in 20 seconds. I doubt Iraq has any anti-air defense systems in place. I also doubt there are U.S warplanes in the air in Iraq all the time.

All this is doing is simply a bunch of nothing . It would prove succesful if Iran actually decided to turn on their air defense systems, but they aren't doing so.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Aimster, are you wanting the US to invade Iran, or is this just what you actually expect to happen?

I don't really care if it happens or not.

Iran is facing a major economic shift. Their economy is growing. They could be a very powerful force in the region. The only problem is the Mullahs have economic restrictions limiting the growth.

I see a free Iran as a wonderful thing for the U.S in the M.E.

People die. During the Iran-Iraq war millions died. Iran rebuilt. They rebuilt extremely fast for a nation that was bombed daily. Iran can rebuild again. It doesn't change how I live. It won't change how my kids live. The U.S can bomb China. I'll have an opinion, but I won't really care as long as China doesn't bomb the U.S.

I don't want Iran to get a nuclear bomb. They can get a nuclear bomb when they have a free country. A nuclear bomb will destroy the Iranian people and culture in the hands of the mullahs. They will destroy the entire Persian race. The people have a right to the bomb. The government that runs the people does not.

 

[cwjerome]

There's no such thing as nothing, CapitanKirk is right... it's a subtle message, a little posturing, and a test probe.

I absolutely believe there will be no "war". But I also believe to the nth degree that we will strike nuclear facilities if all else fails to stop the Iranian programs. Probably a massive air campaign lasting several weeks.

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
There's no such thing as nothing, CapitanKirk is right... it's a subtle message, a little posturing, and a test probe.

I absolutely believe there will be no "war". But I also believe to the nth degree that we will strike nuclear facilities if all else fails to stop the Iranian programs. Probably a massive air campaign lasting several weeks.

It won't even last several weeks. It will be days or hours likely. A high level bombing with B-2s and F-117s will be the precursor, followed up with a hornets nest of US aircraft to act as a perimeter defense to Iraq and Afghanistan. We have plenty of systems in place I am sure to deal with the threat from the ground or sea also, remembering that the Navy is quite well armed in anti-aircraft operations, even from a long distance.

The goal will likely be to rattle the inner workings of the nation to the point where those that desire democracy and freedom from the rule of the mullahs will rise up and overthrow them. Iranians on the street see what's happening, they're not stupid. They see their neighbor in Iraq becoming one of their largest allies in the Middle East. They see the funding and support that they are getting from the US with the unfortunate side effect of the minority terrorists in the country doing what they do on a daily basis.

Granted, I could be way off here, but I don't see too many Iranians being too upset that a suspected nuclear weapons facility was destroyed in their country when the mullahs are the one's with their fingers on the big red button. I can almost guarantee that the facilities will be given plenty of notice to clear out any persons who don't wish to suffer the consequences of working in such a location.

 

[EXman]

Dubya was getting some flight time in his new F16 and he missed the turn to Pismo beach.😛

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Aimster

So let's place bets.
I say the war will happen in November 2005. It will last 3-4 months and it will end in February 2006. The death toll will be around 2,000-2,500 for the U.S.

incredibly BAD taste IMO to bet with american boys and girls lives...

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It's a probe to see what kind of response they get from Iran.

Light them up with a Triple-A or SAM & we'l know what their weapon systems are,
where they are, and how to kill the defense.

You know from your mariner days its a little more to it than that. SEAD revolves around intercepting their radio communications, watching the responses on the big picture, and looking for signs of hidden dangers. I garauntee they have more people monitoring the responses from the ground than from airspace.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Aimster

So let's place bets.
I say the war will happen in November 2005. It will last 3-4 months and it will end in February 2006. The death toll will be around 2,000-2,500 for the U.S.

Perhaps, your assuming no other nation would stand up to stop our attack on Iran. You may also be forgetting that the rest of the world remembers how we lied about WMDs in Iraq. An invasion of Iran may well prove far more difficult than Iraq simply because of international resistance to said invasion. Besides why are we not talking about invasion of North Korea? I mean after all why just bully small economically and militarily inferior nations who have no major diplomatic ties to any major power in the world?

Bush's USA = The New School Bully. As with all bullys you have to remember that once the other school kids realize they can band together and topple the bully the fun is over and heads will roll.

 

[cwjerome]

Besides why are we not talking about invasion of North Korea?

Are we to take you seriously?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
There's no such thing as nothing, CapitanKirk is right... it's a subtle message, a little posturing, and a test probe.

I absolutely believe there will be no "war". But I also believe to the nth degree that we will strike nuclear facilities if all else fails to stop the Iranian programs. Probably a massive air campaign lasting several weeks.

Do you believe that if we bomb iran, they won't invade iraq?

 

[Aimster]

There is no way the U.S is sending bombers into Iran. Target practice for Iran.
There is no easy way for the U.S to takeover the Persian Gulf.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
we're trying to draw iran in.

We're trying to make them give us an excuse.

If iran invades iraq (which would be the natural point) or even shoots down an american plane in their (iranian) airspace, the ameican people would be able to fall behind a war with Iran, and the draft accompanying it. 🙁

At this point I scramble across the border and see who long it takes me to get to germany 🙁 Even though i don't think I'm draftable.

Slow down their little buddy, you might give yourself a headache thinking too much.😉

ROOAAARRR!!! 🙂

ZING

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no way the U.S is sending bombers into Iran. Target practice for Iran.

Definately wrong. The reality is that Iran has a limited number of potent long range SAM Missile weapons, which can probably be dealt with by a surprise Tomahawk strike, and most of the rest can be dealt with through the use of HARM Missiles. Sending B-52s actually over Iran would be a bad idea, although they could launch Tomahawk missiles from the air from a safe distance. However B-2s should be quite safe bombing Iran at night after some initial strikes take out some of Iran's most sophisticated SAM and radar systems, and then other US aircraft can move in. Iran has enough of an airforce and SAM system to potentially mean a few planes shot down for the US, but we're certainly not talking about anything resembling target practice. A proper surprise attack might be able to do its work before the Iranian airforce can even effecctively respond. The main problems with such an attack might be the political ramifications of it.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: glenn1

So, if a military plane enters the airspace of a country, what rights does that country have?

Do they have the right under international law to shoot it down?

Technically they could but in a scenario like this it wouldn't happen since it would cause an international incident. Shootdown incidents like the Soviets downing the Korean Air jumbo and the U.S. downing that Iranian Airlines flight have made governments a bit less trigger happy when some pilot makes a mistake and is in the wrong place. Even when it's a military warplane involved unless its intent is clearly aggresive it's not considered polite to shoot down someone who might be lost. They'll give them the benefit of the doubt unless pilots getting "lost" becomes a recurring problem.

Most likely scenario is that they would scramble some interceptors to point out that the pilot in question is in the wrong place and firmly "escort" them out of their airspace. Plus I'm sure the interceptor pilots would enjoy seeing the "oh sh!t" look on the American pilot's face when they vector in on him with a half-dozen MiG's and he realizes that he's in the bad side of town.

Give me a break. The U.S. would know the MOMENT any Iranian planes left the ground. There is no way Iran could sneak up on an F16. The F16 would be LONG gone by the time any Iranian planes got anywhere near him, or there would be about 10 other U.S. jets there by the time they got there. The U.S. advantage in avionics and radar is massive. The F16 could be shooting them down before the Mig's even knew where he was for sure.

Besides, I have a feeling they are not sending Joe Smith the math teacher reservist to fly into Iran.. my guess is the guys flying in there are pretty damn elite. Like others have said, they are showing Iran we have the capability to fly over their country uncontested, and if they DO contest us we will show them what will happen when they do.. All of this posturing leads Iran to believe we can and will bomb their nuclear facilities, and there is nothing they can do about it.. which then hopefully tells them that they should AVOID that from happening by cooperating.

That is totally wrong Crimson. "We don't care if this is your house, sit down and shut up!". Is that the kind of policy you are advocating? Be seroius about that. It is their country, and to "show them up" and "punish" them if they try to defend themselves is what gives the USA its "bully" status, and apparantly you are relishing in that fact that we can.