US election: Trump accepts Barack Obama was born in US

[flexy]

"Imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people, under one God, saluting one flag"

Here, Ladies and Gentlemen, do we have the most controversial US politician in history who not only would divide the US like no other president before (he ALREADY DIVIDES IT RIGHT NOW) proclaiming himself as the uniting Messiah.

 

[trenchfoot]

Here, Ladies and Gentlemen, do we have the most controversial US politician in history who not only would divide the US like no other president before (he ALREADY DIVIDES IT RIGHT NOW) proclaiming himself as the uniting Messiah.

That's some scary shit right there.

However, if the voters decide that Trump is what America needs (for what, I have absolutely no idea) then as someone else previously stated, we get what we deserve.

I thought that what Bush 43 and his cabal of despicable warmongering neocon assholes did to our nation was enough proof to convince all but the most loyal and most insane Repubs that we should never EVER have to live through another 8 years of what those crooks put us through, and let's not forget the painful aftermath we're still working through to try to repair the damage they caused.

But lo and behold, we have waiting at the doorsteps of the White House someone that has the potential for creating much more damage than even Bush and Cheney masterminded us into.

When will we ever learn. When will we EVER learn.

 

[MongGrel]

Why arent you mocking her nation pride?

Why would I mock her to begin with, I'm part Lenape. Granted it is a very small part,but I'd be more than happy to get some of my land back in Manhattan.

The half German parts of me wants to invade you, the 1/4 Welsh part wants to call you a cock womble and maybe punch you in the face

 

[glenn1]

It just amazes me that Trump can come right out and tell his supporters that he's been outright lying to them for 6 years, but it's still Hillary's fault.
I need to find some of these Trumpers and talk to them about this bridge I have for sale..

The birther movement was basically set in motion by Hillary supporters, see link below. She didn't directly express it but allowed surrogates to do it for her and expressed strategic ambiguity about other Obama origin conspiracies ("Obama is a Muslim") so she could maintain plausible deniability.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/its-official-obama-born-in-the-usa/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/polit...hat-hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

 

[fskimospy]

The birther movement was basically set in motion by Hillary supporters, see link below. She didn't directly express it but allowed surrogates to do it for her and expressed strategic ambiguity about other Obama origin conspiracies ("Obama is a Muslim") so she could maintain plausible deniability.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/its-official-obama-born-in-the-usa/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/polit...hat-hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

Another way to say this would be that there is literally zero evidence of anyone in Clinton's campaign either starting or supporting this rumor:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

Unless Trump's birth certificate investigators in Hawaii turned up some evidence about Clinton starting the birther nonsense there's no ambiguity here. What he said was a baldfaced lie.

 

[Vic]

The birther movement was basically set in motion by Hillary supporters, see link below. She didn't directly express it but allowed surrogates to do it for her and expressed strategic ambiguity about other Obama origin conspiracies ("Obama is a Muslim") so she could maintain plausible deniability.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/its-official-obama-born-in-the-usa/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/polit...hat-hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

Amazing how it's always so easy for Hillary to fool Trump and the rest of the RWNJ's.
Consider taking some personal responsibility for your actions, just once in your lives..

 

[JockoJohnson]

Here, Ladies and Gentlemen, do we have the most controversial US politician in history who not only would divide the US like no other president before (he ALREADY DIVIDES IT RIGHT NOW) proclaiming himself as the uniting Messiah.

Are you talking about Obama?

 

[HomerJS]

and for you Trumpets who continue with assertion Hillary went public with birtherism par of the infamous Mark Penn memo states

"We are never going to say anything about his background."

What part of that sentence do you fail to comprehend??

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's some scary shit right there.

However, if the voters decide that Trump is what America needs (for what, I have absolutely no idea) then as someone else previously stated, we get what we deserve.

I thought that what Bush 43 and his cabal of despicable warmongering neocon assholes did to our nation was enough proof to convince all but the most loyal and most insane Repubs that we should never EVER have to live through another 8 years of what those crooks put us through, and let's not forget the painful aftermath we're still working through to try to repair the damage they caused.

But lo and behold, we have waiting at the doorsteps of the White House someone that has the potential for creating much more damage than even Bush and Cheney masterminded us into.

When will we ever learn. When will we EVER learn.

Trump the President will have no room to maneuver. The Democrats will oppose him at every turn, and I doubt he will find much in the way of Congressional support from Rubio, Cruz and Ryan.

I see him as being a loud mouthed but politically isolated island, probably facing a primary challenge from his own party in 4 years.

 

[glenn1]

Another way to say this would be that there is literally zero evidence of anyone in Clinton's campaign either starting or supporting this rumor:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

Unless Trump's birth certificate investigators in Hawaii turned up some evidence about Clinton starting the birther nonsense there's no ambiguity here. What he said was a baldfaced lie.

The very post you quoted said it was a supporter. I challenge you however to find any quotes or video of her disputing the birther charges at the time in 2008. I also notice you didn't bother to address her 'strategic ambiguity' when asked about whether Obama was a Muslim. Or had her press secretary highlight photos of Obama in typically Muslim garb. This is pretty much like most things Hillary does, like a good little lawyer she finds out where the very edge of something being illegal/corrupt/improper and parks herself right there.

 

[fskimospy]

The very post you quoted said it was a supporter. I challenge you however to find any quotes or video of her disputing the birther charges at the time in 2008. I also notice you didn't bother to address her 'strategic ambiguity' when asked about whether Obama was a Muslim. Or had her press secretary highlight photos of Obama in typically Muslim garb. This is pretty much like most things Hillary does, like a good little lawyer she finds out where the very edge of something being illegal/corrupt/improper and parks herself right there.

Got it, so not her or her campaign, but a supporter. That right there ends the nonsense that this originated from her.

As for her 'strategic ambiguity' on whether or not Obama was a Muslim, from your own link:

In a March 2008 interview with "60 Minutes," Clinton said she took then-Sen. Obama's word that he was not a Muslim, but when pressed if she believed he was, she replied, "No. No, there is nothing to base that on -- as far as I know."

How is it strategic ambiguity when you say 'No, I don't believe he was and there is nothing to base that on as far as I know'. Her first statement that she took him at his word is strategic ambiguity, the second statement is absolutely not.

 

[JockoJohnson]

The very post you quoted said it was a supporter. I challenge you however to find any quotes or video of her disputing the birther charges at the time in 2008. I also notice you didn't bother to address her 'strategic ambiguity' when asked about whether Obama was a Muslim. Or had her press secretary highlight photos of Obama in typically Muslim garb. This is pretty much like most things Hillary does, like a good little lawyer she finds out where the very edge of something being illegal/corrupt/improper and parks herself right there.

Of course. And the good little lap dogs will slurp it all up and defend Hillary. They sound just as bad as those constantly defending Trump on everything he says. The sad thing is, I think that they really believe Hillary is good in all that she does. There are quite a few extremely pathetic defenders of Trump and Hillary right here and they don't know who they are because they think they are justified in their defense.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump the President will have no room to maneuver. The Democrats will oppose him at every turn, and I doubt he will find much in the way of Congressional support from Rubio, Cruz and Ryan.

I see him as being a loud mouthed but politically isolated island, probably facing a primary challenge from his own party in 4 years.

Please. Trump & Repubs agree on dismantling financial regulations, tax cuts at the top, ending the ACA, & some other obviously important stuff. He'll likely sign any of it they manage to send him.

Claiming otherwise has no connection to reality.

 

[glenn1]

Got it, so not her or her campaign, but a supporter. That right there ends the nonsense that this originated from her.

Again, whether she specifically "started" it isn't the point. She expected to benefit from it and didn't denounce it at the time.

As for her 'strategic ambiguity' on whether or not Obama was a Muslim, from your own link:

How is it strategic ambiguity when you say 'No, I don't believe he was and there is nothing to base that on as far as I know'. Her first statement that she took him at his word is strategic ambiguity, the second statement is absolutely not.

Let me show you how you reject something without strategic ambiguity, that is if you have class and honor unlike her.

 

[Jhhnn]

The very post you quoted said it was a supporter. I challenge you however to find any quotes or video of her disputing the birther charges at the time in 2008. I also notice you didn't bother to address her 'strategic ambiguity' when asked about whether Obama was a Muslim. Or had her press secretary highlight photos of Obama in typically Muslim garb. This is pretty much like most things Hillary does, like a good little lawyer she finds out where the very edge of something being illegal/corrupt/improper and parks herself right there.

So, not speaking out against birtherism in 2008, before Repubs even revved it up, is just as bad as being the Birther in Chief sending "investigators" to Hawaii, playing off it for years & then doing a complete 180 right out of the blue 5 years later?

Only in Glenbeckistan.

The bit about "strategic ambiguity" just nibbles at the edge of conspiracy theory as only those who've taken that path many times will possibly fall for. She said nice things in a non-commital way as one would expect from a rival in a civilized campaign.

Linky-linky the bit about her press secretary, explain how Drudge should be granted any more credibility than used asswipe while you're at it.

 

[theeedude]

Did you guys remember when Republican party was party of personal responsibility? Me neither

 

[fskimospy]

Again, whether she specifically "started" it isn't the point. She expected to benefit from it and didn't denounce it at the time.

That's a pretty weak accusation.

Let me show you how you reject something without strategic ambiguity, that is if you have class and honor unlike her.

I agree that McCain's answer there was excellent and honorable, but you're still going to have to explain to me how 'No, I don't believe he's a muslim and there's nothing to base that on that I know of' is 'strategic ambiguity'. That will be difficult because her answer is not at all ambiguous. Pretend it's not the Great Enemy speaking, if someone said 'No I don't believe this and there's nothing to base that on' would you say they were being deliberately ambiguous?

 

[JockoJohnson]

That's a pretty weak accusation.



I agree that McCain's answer there was excellent and honorable, but you're still going to have to explain to me how 'No, I don't believe he's a muslim and there's nothing to base that on that I know of' is 'strategic ambiguity'. That will be difficult because her answer is not at all ambiguous. Pretend it's not the Great Enemy speaking, if someone said 'No I don't believe this and there's nothing to base that on' would you say they were being deliberately ambiguous?

'That I know of' ... Why didn't she just stop at "No, I don't believe this and there's nothing to base that on."? You intentionally left the "that I know of" out of your last sentence because then there is no ambiguity.

 

[fskimospy]

'That I know of' ... Why didn't she just stop at "No, I don't believe this and there's nothing to base that on."? You intentionally left the "that I know of" out of your last sentence because then there is no ambiguity.

If I intentionally left it out then why did I include it the first two times I paraphrased what she said? That's a terrible attempt at obfuscation on my part!

Wouldn't a more logical explanation be that I was getting tired of writing the same paraphrased crap multiple times? The statement she made was not ambiguous. Period.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Please. Trump & Repubs agree on dismantling financial regulations, tax cuts at the top, ending the ACA, & some other obviously important stuff. He'll likely sign any of it they manage to send him.

Claiming otherwise has no connection to reality.

Trump is a bit of a wild card. I think many people will be disappointed by the reality of a Trump Presidency

 

[Starbuck1975]

Did you guys remember when Republican party was party of personal responsibility? Me neither

Both parties lost sight of that ideal long ago

 

[Vic]

Of course. And the good little lap dogs will slurp it all up and defend Hillary. They sound just as bad as those constantly defending Trump on everything he says. The sad thing is, I think that they really believe Hillary is good in all that she does. There are quite a few extremely pathetic defenders of Trump and Hillary right here and they don't know who they are because they think they are justified in their defense.

Blaming someone else for your own actions is fucking pathetic. Knowingly perpetuating a lie by claiming that someone else started it is moral cowardice. Everyone knows that Trump and his lapdogs are full of shit here, and are pieces of shit.

 

[glenn1]

Blaming someone else for your own actions is fucking pathetic. Knowingly perpetuating a lie by claiming that someone else started it is moral cowardice. Everyone knows that Trump and his lapdogs are full of shit here, and are pieces of shit.

So that's the official pitch? Yeah, pro-Clinton folks may have kicked off the birther movement and her campaign added to the flames of scaring people that Obama was an Arab (huh? Kenya is in Africa) or a Muslim but TRUMP IS WORSE.

Given that she used that tool in the last election do you have any doubt that if Trump had an ethnic/religious/whatever background that she thought was exploitable that she (or some minions for plausible deniability) would be pressing that angle even now?

 

[Vic]

So that's the official pitch? Yeah, pro-Clinton folks may have kicked off the birther movement and her campaign added to the flames of scaring people that Obama was an Arab (huh? Kenya is in Africa) or a Muslim but TRUMP IS WORSE.

Given that she used that tool in the last election do you have any doubt that if Trump had an ethnic/religious/whatever background that she thought was exploitable that she (or some minions for plausible deniability) would be pressing that angle even now?

I heard that Glenn1 is a serial child rapist. But Texashiker told me, so it's not my fault if I'm repeating a lie.

 

[HomerJS]

So that's the official pitch? Yeah, pro-Clinton folks may have kicked off the birther movement and her campaign added to the flames of scaring people that Obama was an Arab (huh? Kenya is in Africa) or a Muslim but TRUMP IS WORSE.

Given that she used that tool in the last election do you have any doubt that if Trump had an ethnic/religious/whatever background that she thought was exploitable that she (or some minions for plausible deniability) would be pressing that angle even now?

Your characterization is completely inaccurate. Associates of Clinton researched it but did not go public. In fact they stated in a memo they would not go public. Drumpf went public for over 5 years even after the BC was produced.

BTW - opo research is done all the time on lots of things. Campaigns then decide what they are going to do with it.

Also first Obama is foreign/Muslim public mention goes back to 2004 and it was a Republican