US cuts funding for UNESCO after Palestinian vote

[Orignal Earl]

What credibility - with the Arabs; it can change day to day.

Look at Turkey - they hated Israel because of the Aid fiasco, but when push comes to shove; accepted Israeli aid.

All the Arab world is like that and actually most of the third world.
Anti US until the US dollars show up.😡

Congress setup the rules; the Palestinians and their world supporters felt that the US would not back up its bark. Image was more important than principal.

Well that falsehood has again been exposed:biggrin:

Speaking of, I see Obama took 3 attack heli's right off the mil shelf and sold them or as you guys like to call it "giving aid" to Turkey
That has rarely been done before.
We are probably going to see a lot more of this aid happening

 

[JEDIYoda]

IIRC the budget for UNESCO is ~$100,000,000 annually. $80,000,000 per year comes from the US. There is a $60,000,000 check that the US was due to pay in November that now will not be delivered.

awww too bad!!!

 

[Orignal Earl]

awww too bad!!!

At least your arguments are solid

 

[Broheim]

It's about time that the UN listens to the US and stops allowing countries that democratically elect their leaders to be allowed membership in their halls so that their voice might be heard!

Oh wait.

As for the Congressional restriction against funding for any UN group that recognizes Palestine w/o an existing peace agreement with Israel....maybe someone should inform them that Israel keeps walking away from the table and continued to develop new settlements in the West Bank.

and the Palestinians also keep walking away from the table and keep killing isreali civilians... it goes both ways you know.

 

[JS80]

We believe Palestine shouldn't exist until Palestine and Israel have a peace agreement? I think I need this explained to me.

"palestine" shouldn't exist because they aren't a "people." They are mostly just jordanian arabs. The only purpose of creating a "palestinian" state is to further the existential threat of Israel.

 

[Orignal Earl]

"palestine" shouldn't exist because they aren't a "people." They are mostly just jordanian arabs. The only purpose of creating a "palestinian" state is to further the existential threat of Israel.

What kind of "people" are Americans?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ah nvm I looked it up.
Your Germans

 

[Demo24]

IIRC the budget for UNESCO is ~$100,000,000 annually. $80,000,000 per year comes from the US. There is a $60,000,000 check that the US was due to pay in November that now will not be delivered.

uh, math fail. 22% is what we contribute, not what is left over. And your budget is off by 543 million.

 

[sandorski]

This is weaksauce. Punishing for merely showing support for something. /facepalm

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I really don't get this, UNESCO is mostly a global science organisation, wth does letting Palestinian scientist participate as full worthy members of it have to do with anything the US would be against?

Hell even Israels Uni's and ISF (Israel Science Foundation) supported this.

 

[Lemon law]

How the loss of US credibility in the larger will play out and what its will cost the USA as a consequences is yet to be seen.

And maybe the knee Jerk reaction will be to blame the Obama administration when the costs become apparent. But in reality its the US congress that has passed laws that mandate cutting US cutting UN funding if the UN does not toe the Israeli party line.

At some point in time, the US voter and Congress will have to decide if they want to promote US interests in the larger world or APAC.

So far, in the USA, APAC is winning and by a wide margin.

WILL IT PROVE WISE OR PRUDENT WHEN THE US COSTS COME DUE.

As countries like Russia, China, India, are delighted at a golden chance to advance their interests now that our Uncle Sammy has shot himself in the foot.

 

[Patranus]

So Germany actually pays more per person than the US?

The US is coming across as a petulant child. A big fatty obese child.

Who gives a shit what Germany pays per person.
The United Nations actively works against the United States.
If the United Nations doesn't want to play ball then the United States shouldn't be funding its enemies.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

How the loss of US credibility in the larger will play out and what its will cost the USA as a consequences is yet to be seen.

And maybe the knee Jerk reaction will be to blame the Obama administration when the costs become apparent. But in reality its the US congress that has passed laws that mandate cutting US cutting UN funding if the UN does not toe the Israeli party line.

At some point in time, the US voter and Congress will have to decide if they want to promote US interests in the larger world or APAC.

So far, in the USA, APAC is winning and by a wide margin.

WILL IT PROVE WISE OR PRUDENT WHEN THE US COSTS COME DUE.

As countries like Russia, China, India, are delighted at a golden chance to advance their interests now that our Uncle Sammy has shot himself in the foot.

You've been spewing the same crap ever since you joined this forum, along with how the UN will go against Israel... it's just bullcrap... get off the drugs, they are rotting your brain.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Who gives a shit what Germany pays per person.
The United Nations actively works against the United States.
If the United Nations doesn't want to play ball then the United States shouldn't be funding its enemies.

Everyone cares about per capita spending, you do too as you have said in multiple other threads.

The UN as an organisation is controlled by the member states, it's not a separate organisation you daft fuck, UNESCO IS a separate organisation with member states too...

Wait... i'm trying to explain something simple to a man who don't even understand the simplest things regardless of the discussion...

My bad...

 

[GrGr]

"palestine" shouldn't exist because they aren't a "people." They are mostly just jordanian arabs. The only purpose of creating a "palestinian" state is to further the existential threat of Israel.

Lol, straight from the Zionist text book. Israel shouldn't exist at all. It's an hopeless anachronism and anomaly, put in place by the colonialist British to pay for loans during WWI and WWII, and founded on and supported by terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Sieg Heil.

 

[Craig234]

We believe Palestine shouldn't exist until Palestine and Israel have a peace agreement? I think I need this explained to me.

In other words, Palestine can only exist when the terms are approved by Israel.

This would be like saying the United States could be created under terms England approved.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

In other words, Palestine can only exist when the terms are approved by Israel.

This would be like saying the United States could be created under terms England approved.

No, Palestine can exist when they approve of Israel.

Of course, you forgot all about Hamas wanting Israel gone and Abbas not wanting Israel recognized as a state before he himself sets the borders as he sees fit.

It's not comparable to UK-US, not in the least.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Lol, straight from the Zionist text book. Israel shouldn't exist at all. It's an hopeless anachronism and anomaly, put in place by the colonialist British to pay for loans during WWI and WWII, and founded on and supported by terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Sieg Heil.

Can i ask you to stop saying that, if for no other reason than because it's a disgusting thing to say?

You are obviously a neo-nazi scumbag filled with hatred towards all Jews and that is why you hate Israel and hates Jews so much you'd utter those words.

It doesn't help, I'm Israeli as well as British, i'd fucking rip you a new one if i heard you say those words but you never would in my presence, because the only place where you can do so is here, where you are sitting in your chair in your home without the fear of insulting anyone who could actually hurt you in real life.

You are the most pathetic POS i have ever come across on this forum. I hope you die as you live, alone in your parents basement spouting nazi phrases.

 

[GrGr]

Can i ask you to stop saying that, if for no other reason than because it's a disgusting thing to say?

You are obviously a neo-nazi scumbag filled with hatred towards all Jews and that is why you hate Israel and hates Jews so much you'd utter those words.

It doesn't help, I'm Israeli as well as British, i'd fucking rip you a new one if i heard you say those words but you never would in my presence, because the only place where you can do so is here, where you are sitting in your chair in your home without the fear of insulting anyone who could actually hurt you in real life.

You are the most pathetic POS i have ever come across on this forum. I hope you die as you live, alone in your parents basement spouting nazi phrases.

Bleh, I am not in the least a neo-nazi. I am just disgusted by neo-nazi Zionism, which is Nazism in Jewish dressing. I have nothing against Jews, but Zionism that actively promotes ethnic cleansing I have no time at all for.

If Israel is to exist let it exist as one nation for all people, no religious specialty claim, equal law for all. This Jews as more equal than Palestinans bs has to stop. One man, one vote is a modern idea good enough for Israel. And for Israelis to force out the Palestinian people so they can have their "Jewish" state is nonsense, and pure evil.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Bleh, I am not in the least a neo-nazi. I am just disgusted by neo-nazi Zionism, which is Nazism in Jewish dressing. I have nothing against Jews, but Zionism that actively promotes ethnic cleansing I have no time at all for.

If Israel is to exist let it exist as one nation for all people, no religious specialty claim, equal law for all. This Jews as more equal than Palestinans bs has to stop. One man, one vote is a modern idea good enough for Israel. And for Israelis to force out the Palestinian people so they can have their "Jewish" state is nonsense, and pure evil.

"i'm not a neo-nazi" "if israel is to exist"

Palestinians who are Israeli have just as much rights as Jews in Israel you dumb fuck.

One man, one vote IS the idea in Israel and everyone, whether an Arab or Jew get to vote if you live in Israel, PERIOD.

Somewhere along the line some retarded fuck taught you something you still believe, shake it off, it's not true.

There was no Palestine to begin with, there was never any land taken that wasn't bought or fought for, much like the US was bought and fought for, if you want Israelis to give up their rights, then send all Americans out to sea too, does it matter when they took the land? How about you just give it back to us Englishmen? That was less of a time ago.

Israel is the home of Jews, after being shunned from ALL other nations, including the nation i am in today and the nation you are in today, Jews have no where else to go but this itty bitty piece of a land that was theirs from the get go, as much as the Indians lands on their reservations are theirs.

You want that gone too? That makes you no better than any other neo-nazi.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta love the JOS argument that he is the only credible one on this forum, when his stinking thinking has flopped, flopped, and flopped even in Afghanistan. So cheer up JOS, as the Taliban and to some extent Al-Quida will gain even more Afghan cred as the Western devils to throw out.

And by the way JOS, as for England in the UN, did they vote yea or neigh or abstain on the UNESCO vote today? I have not checked yet, but does it matter as the USA got badly outvoted? At least the British people are not pet poodles to Israel.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's about time that the UN listens to the US and stops allowing countries that democratically elect their leaders to be allowed membership in their halls so that their voice might be heard!

Oh wait.

As for the Congressional restriction against funding for any UN group that recognizes Palestine w/o an existing peace agreement with Israel....maybe someone should inform them that Israel keeps walking away from the table and continued to develop new settlements in the West Bank.

Funny that the Palestinians did not show for nine months after Israel honored a Palestinian request for no new settlements.

Apparently they were not serious; so why should Israel bend over backwards for a group that does not want to settle their problem face to face.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Gotta love the JOS argument that he is the only credible one on this forum, when his stinking thinking has flopped, flopped, and flopped even in Afghanistan. So cheer up JOS, as the Taliban and to some extent Al-Quida will gain even more Afghan cred as the Western devils to throw out.

And by the way JOS, as for England in the UN, did they vote yea or neigh or abstain on the UNESCO vote today? I have not checked yet, but does it matter as the USA got badly outvoted? At least the British people are not pet poodles to Israel.

I just have to love that you wish that more schoolgirls get slayed or have acid thrown in their faces, isn't that just a lovely wish for you to have?

You don't understand what the UN is and obviously not what UNESCO is, the UK passed no vote in the UN, nor did any other nation.

But hey, you're fucking retarded along with most of the people who think that burning children with acid is a great thing, we all know that... so this is no surprise.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Bleh, I am not in the least a neo-nazi. I am just disgusted by neo-nazi Zionism, which is Nazism in Jewish dressing. I have nothing against Jews, but Zionism that actively promotes ethnic cleansing I have no time at all for.

If Israel is to exist let it exist as one nation for all people, no religious specialty claim, equal law for all. This Jews as more equal than Palestinans bs has to stop. One man, one vote is a modern idea good enough for Israel. And for Israelis to force out the Palestinian people so they can have their "Jewish" state is nonsense, and pure evil.

Many of the Muslims/Arabs in that area think they are better than the Jews and the Westerners.

Why should they be accorded a special treatment?
Israel is not forcing out the Palestinian people. It was the Palestinians that attempted to force out the Jews and failed.

You feel that failure and bad decision making should be rewarded?

 

[Craig234]

No, Palestine can exist when they approve of Israel.

Of course, you forgot all about Hamas wanting Israel gone and Abbas not wanting Israel recognized as a state before he himself sets the borders as he sees fit.

It's not comparable to UK-US, not in the least.

Well, there is that little difference, that Englad was already its own country before moving people to the colonies, while Israel was forced into the midst of the middle east people.

It's somewhat understandable why some people there want Israel simply moved elsewhere after all the conflict, just as the US wouldn't tolerate turning Florida into Israel.

Palestinians can have their own country regardless of Israel.