US consumer confidence booms in November

[dualsmp]

Its good to see Wallymart creating all those new American jobs.

Hundreds Of Walmart Workers Arrested

"Hundreds of Walmart workers are under arrest after a nationwide bust. Federal officials say more than 300 people have been working illegally at 61 stores across the country including stores here in Kentucky.

The Kentucky stores involved in the bust were in Shelbyville and Louisville where a total of 12 workers were arrested. The workers arrested are part of a cleaning crew Walmart hired through a contractor. Illegal immigrants are being held at immigration offices.

The arrests occurred as the workers were finishing their night shift at stores in 21 states. Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams confirmed the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement office is investigating and that a number of stores were raided Thursday morning. "They arrested a number of members of the floor cleaning crews. They are (employed by) outside contractors; they're not Wal-Mart associates," Williams said. She said the company would give more information later." cont...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Some people need to learn to read

At last, something we agree on!

[ . . . ]No jobs anywhere huh? But yeah roofing and construction is just lowpaying Walmart type work

Does your conscience ever bother you? As you know full well, I did not say anything like "no jobs anywhere". You damage your case when you constantly resort to lies to sell it.

You're a chip off the old block. **cough**Iraq**cough**

try to spin it anyway you want Bow, but people here have constantly said that there aren't jobs available - which is BS. They also like to claim that it's only Walmart type jobs that are available or being filled...yet provide nothing of substance to back it up. Ofcourse you don't seem to understand the sarcasm in "no jobs anywhere" and resort to trying to attack me instead of providing evidence to backup any of your claims or refute the job creation points I've provided evidence for.

When your argument fails....bring up Iraq Soon it'll be like the Slavery or Hitler thing

CkG

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
Its good to see Wallymart creating all those new American jobs.

Hundreds Of Walmart Workers Arrested

"Hundreds of Walmart workers are under arrest after a nationwide bust. Federal officials say more than 300 people have been working illegally at 61 stores across the country including stores here in Kentucky.

The Kentucky stores involved in the bust were in Shelbyville and Louisville where a total of 12 workers were arrested. The workers arrested are part of a cleaning crew Walmart hired through a contractor. Illegal immigrants are being held at immigration offices.

The arrests occurred as the workers were finishing their night shift at stores in 21 states. Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams confirmed the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement office is investigating and that a number of stores were raided Thursday morning. "They arrested a number of members of the floor cleaning crews. They are (employed by) outside contractors; they're not Wal-Mart associates," Williams said. She said the company would give more information later." cont...

i never really read up on this story, just what i heard on the news, but werent these arrested peoples supposed to be illegals? [or at least thats how i understood it] and if so, whats so wrong or damaging to our economy or to the job market when illegals are arrested? this is what needs to be done in more areas of the job market! [the arrest (and hopefully deportation) of illegals]

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Sorry dirtboy, you're in over your head. I'd suggest you not call others "economically challenged" until you learn something about the subject at hand.

We aren't the one who generate the jobs numbers. The government does the research for us. Since Bush took office, we've lost about three milllion jobs net. In the last three months, we've gained back less than 10% of them. If Microsoft hired "10 billion American's [sic]", it would show up in the government's figures whether it made a headline or not.

Moreover, not all jobs are created equal. I don't have any links handy, but the consensus is that many of the jobs lost are good, high-paying jobs; most of the jobs gained are low-paying, limited benefits Wal-Mart type jobs. People may become employed again, but they are often under-employed, earning less and often going without benefits. Let's hope this trend is reversed once we get a good, solid, jobs-based recovery going.

You're right, you don't generate the numbers the news does and you misinterpret them day in and day out.

Perhaps you should learn something, because the consensus is that you are economically challenged.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You made the assertion that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You bear the burden of proof. Back it up or admit it's just wishful thinking.

Actually Dave and the other naysayers are the ones making those accusations - so they hold the burden of proof. You(they) are the ones who keep bringing it up in all the good economic news threads.

CkG

Funny how the YABAs never back up their claims when challenged. Somehow, they always rationalize that the other guy bears the burden of proof.

Dodge it all you want, Sir Cad. I'll assume it's wishful thinking until I see evidence we are regaining good jobs in the same proportion that we lost them.

Buahahaha - who's dodging proof? Funny how the naysayers won't back up their claims when challenged - somehow they always rationalize that the other guy bears the burden of proof.

I don't see anyone backing up their "it's walmart" claims. But yeah that list of industries in that other link were just low paying jobs

...and it was only isolated to that part of the country

. Sure there are layoff all over too, but there are opportunities available also and it doesn't change the overall economic direction or outlook. Some people just need to get off their ass and get a job instead of whining.

Now again - MY argument was: "trying to dismiss the overall economic growth and direction with select layoffs(inspite of overall job creation) is ridiculous." Me providing job growth data was not to prop up the assesment of the overall economic outlook - it was to provide proof the the whiners who won't back up their claims of the walmartization of jobs. They have yet to provide specific solid evidence of it. I provided data for some "good" jobs. The ball is in naysayer's court.

CkG

I have been consistently posting links and articles of the little bit of job growth and the low paying jobs.

If you guys don't see them then confirms what I have been saying about the sheep not reading and paying attention. That's OK though, you're still in decent jobs and not directly affected by the new America, yet.

I will say it boldly. You said "Do you think the Housing Labor is CHEAP?" Absolutely!!! They are building 20,000 houses within 3 miles all around me and nearly every one of the Laborers do not speak ENGLISH. They are here illegally (but Georgia wants to give them Driver's Licenses to get their votes since we have the automatic Motor Voter Law). They leave more Beer Cans all over the place than I thought Budweiser could even crank out and trash from McDonalds everywhere.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


I have been consistently posting links and articles of the little bit of job growth and the low paying jobs.

If you guys don't see them then confirms what I have been saying about the sheep not reading and paying attention. That's OK though, you're still in decent jobs and not directly affected by the new America, yet.

ooooooooh....you posted articles. Many of them you don't bother to even read. Many people here have pointed out facts in many of the articles you post that go against what you say.

You don't even bother to respond to those posts, but you just continue to post headlines like you always have an always will.

So in the end, it does confirm what you say about the sheep, because you are one.

[edit]

dmcsheep674: Why is it that you neverpost articles like this?

U.S. Reports Show Economy Gaining Vigor

I'll answer that question for you, since you know you are wrong and if you will reply, it will be with one of your typical nonsensical posts anyways. The reason you don't post things like this is because it is contrary to your pessemistic views of the world.

[edit #2]

Here's another article you've conveniently glossed over. Probably because the title doesn't talk about layoffs and actually has good news.

Durable Goods Orders Up 3.3 Pct. in Oct.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I will say it boldly. You said "Do you think the Housing Labor is CHEAP?" Absolutely!!! They are building 20,000 houses within 3 miles all around me and nearly every one of the Laborers do not speak ENGLISH. They are here illegally (but Georgia wants to give them Driver's Licenses to get their votes since we have the automatic Motor Voter Law). They leave more Beer Cans all over the place than I thought Budweiser could even crank out and trash from McDonalds everywhere.

Stop the presses! So you say these illegals drink Budweiser and eat at McDonalds? No way. If that is true, then their money is going to support high income jobs at both Budweiser and McDonalds.

And before you say it, because you are so shortsighted and will, not everyone that works at Bud or McD's makes minimum wage.

Looks like these illegals aren't so bad after all.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


I have been consistently posting links and articles of the little bit of job growth and the low paying jobs.

If you guys don't see them then confirms what I have been saying about the sheep not reading and paying attention. That's OK though, you're still in decent jobs and not directly affected by the new America, yet.

ooooooooh....you posted articles (BAA). Many of them you don't bother to even read (BAA). Many people here have pointed out facts in many of the articles you post that go against what you say (BAA BAA BAA).

You don't even bother to respond to those posts, but you just continue to post headlines like you always have an always will.

So in the end, it does confirm what you say about the sheep, because you are one.

[edit]

dmcsheep674: Why is it that you neverpost articles like this?

U.S. Reports Show Economy Gaining Vigor

I'll answer that question for you (BAA), since you know you are wrong (BAA) and if you will reply, it will be with one of your typical nonsensical posts anyways (BAA). The reason you don't post things like this is because it is contrary to your pessemistic views of the world(BAA).

This message authorized by the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

The sheep are the people who swallow Dubya's every word without question. The economy may be peachy for wealthy Republicans but it sucks for workers. Maybe we are starting a real recovery. Maybe it is a temporary bump. Time will tell.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


I have been consistently posting links and articles of the little bit of job growth and the low paying jobs.

If you guys don't see them then confirms what I have been saying about the sheep not reading and paying attention. That's OK though, you're still in decent jobs and not directly affected by the new America, yet.

ooooooooh....you posted articles (BAA). Many of them you don't bother to even read (BAA). Many people here have pointed out facts in many of the articles you post that go against what you say (BAA BAA BAA).

You don't even bother to respond to those posts, but you just continue to post headlines like you always have an always will.

So in the end, it does confirm what you say about the sheep, because you are one.

[edit]

dmcsheep674: Why is it that you neverpost articles like this?

U.S. Reports Show Economy Gaining Vigor

I'll answer that question for you (BAA), since you know you are wrong (BAA) and if you will reply, it will be with one of your typical nonsensical posts anyways (BAA). The reason you don't post things like this is because it is contrary to your pessemistic views of the world(BAA).

This message authorized by the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

The sheep are the people who swallow Dubya's every word without question. The economy may be peachy for wealthy Republicans but it sucks for workers. Maybe we are starting a real recovery. Maybe it is a temporary bump. Time will tell.

Define "workers" for me, would you please? As opposed to "wealthy republicans"?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Ldir


This message authorized by the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

The sheep are the people who swallow Dubya's every word without question. The economy may be peachy for wealthy Republicans but it sucks for workers. Maybe we are starting a real recovery. Maybe it is a temporary bump. Time will tell.

Pretty funny considering Bush didn't write either of those articles. Looks like you are the sheep with wool over their eyes.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: alchemize


Define "workers" for me, would you please?

?Workers? are those people who lack the requisite skills needed in today?s marketplace and therefore feel disenfranchised from the ?American Dream?. The usually use the argument, "If the economy is doing so well, why am I not making more money for the same level of productivity? Why am I making minimum wage when I have 9 credits from the local community college?"

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I will say it boldly. You said "Do you think the Housing Labor is CHEAP?" Absolutely!!! They are building 20,000 houses within 3 miles all around me and nearly every one of the Laborers do not speak ENGLISH. They are here illegally (but Georgia wants to give them Driver's Licenses to get their votes since we have the automatic Motor Voter Law). They leave more Beer Cans all over the place than I thought Budweiser could even crank out and trash from McDonalds everywhere.

Stop the presses! So you say these illegals drink Budweiser and eat at McDonalds? No way. If that is true, then their money is going to support high income jobs at both Budweiser and McDonalds.

And before you say it, because you are so shortsighted and will, not everyone that works at Bud or McD's makes minimum wage.

Looks like these illegals aren't so bad after all.

I'll do even better than that. They do support Detroit to a point. They drive around in brand new giant pickups and SUV's that they pluck down 40 or 60K cash for. They pay no taxes but yet use public services that you are very happy and eager to pay for apparently. Good for you.

 

[Ldir]

While slopping at the government trough xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx said:

Originally posted by: alchemize


Define "workers" for me, would you please?

?Workers? are those people who lack the requisite skills (BAA) needed in today?s marketplace (BAA) and therefore feel disenfranchised from the ?American Dream?(BAA BAA BAA). The usually use the argument, "If the economy is doing so well, why am I not making more money for the same level of productivity? Why am I making minimum wage when I have 9 credits from the local community college?"

More smoke from the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). We will remember your definition when Uncle Sugar realizes they can outsource your job to Russian economists for 10 cents on the dollar. Pretending the only people out of work are unskilled is a lie and you know it.

-------------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA)
Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I will say it boldly. You said "Do you think the Housing Labor is CHEAP?" Absolutely!!! They are building 20,000 houses within 3 miles all around me and nearly every one of the Laborers do not speak ENGLISH. They are here illegally (but Georgia wants to give them Driver's Licenses to get their votes since we have the automatic Motor Voter Law). They leave more Beer Cans all over the place than I thought Budweiser could even crank out and trash from McDonalds everywhere.

Stop the presses! So you say these illegals drink Budweiser and eat at McDonalds? No way. If that is true, then their money is going to support high income jobs at both Budweiser and McDonalds.

And before you say it, because you are so shortsighted and will, not everyone that works at Bud or McD's makes minimum wage.

Looks like these illegals aren't so bad after all.

I'll do even better than that. They do support Detroit to a point. They drive around in brand new giant pickups and SUV's that they pluck down 40 or 60K cash for. They pay no taxes but yet use public services that you are very happy and eager to pay for apparently. Good for you.

Sure they do Dave. Does it hurt that even though they are making minimum wage that they make more than you?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Ldir

While slopping at the government trough xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx said:

Originally posted by: alchemize


Define "workers" for me, would you please?

?Workers? are those people who lack the requisite skills (BAA) needed in today?s marketplace (BAA) and therefore feel disenfranchised from the ?American Dream?(BAA BAA BAA). The usually use the argument, "If the economy is doing so well, why am I not making more money for the same level of productivity? Why am I making minimum wage when I have 9 credits from the local community college?"

More smoke from the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). We will remember your definition when Uncle Sugar realizes they can outsource your job to Russian economists for 10 cents on the dollar. Pretending the only people out of work are unskilled is a lie and you know it.

-------------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA)
Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

So are you going to answer the question or just try to be witty and cute? What are the "workers" that this economy sucks for? And what are the "wealthy republicans"? Please define with salary ranges and job classes, degrees, etc.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Ldir

More smoke from the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). We will remember your definition when Uncle Sugar realizes they can outsource your job to Russian economists for 10 cents on the dollar.

Given my performance review and my score, I doubt I'll be replaced in the foreseeable future But if I were replaced, I have no one to blame but myself...for not improving myself to the level where I would not be replaced by a 'Russian Economist'. If I were ever passed over for promotion or a raise, if I ever found myself out of work, again, I am to blame, not the economy, or the President for that matter.

Pretending the only people out of work are unskilled is a lie and you know it.

No, I was merely pointing out that it is usually the unskilled worker who feels employment is an entitlement.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Ldir

More smoke from the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). We will remember your definition when Uncle Sugar realizes they can outsource your job to Russian economists for 10 cents on the dollar. Pretending the only people out of work are unskilled is a lie and you know it.

-------------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA)
Pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

Typical response from someone who's beliefs have been defeated.

 

[dualsmp]

Remember, it's made in America 'cause the box said so...

?Boxgate?

American-Made Mystery

"On Wednesday President Bush made a speech in Missouri to people who own small businesses. With business people in the audience, I guess the president's handlers thought it would be appropriate to have boxes behind him ? stamped with "Made in USA." But it turns out, those weren't real boxes. He was standing in front of a screen ? with boxes painted on it.

Around the warehouse there were plenty of real boxes, but they were stamped with the words "Made in China," or "Made in Kowloon, Hong Kong." Other labels were harder to read because they were covered with black marker, but if you looked carefully, you could see the word "China."

cont...

 

[LunarRay]

JohnGalt, Nice to see you're posting again.. I enjoy your insight.

In regard to the following: Pretending the only people out of work are unskilled is a lie and you know it.

JG said:

No, I was merely pointing out that it is usually the unskilled worker who feels employment is an entitlement.

This is true. Well, perhaps entitlement is too strong a term. I think unskilled workers tend to expect job availability to exist in the market of their unskilledness in the area of their domicile.

The arguments herein seem to indicate that Walmart does not hire skilled workers. They do! The only argument I've ever made is that Walmart does not provide the same level of wage for the same level of expertise as does Safeway or a similar 'union' shop. The Unions have made being a 'checker' a reasonably 'middle class' career choice. Some argue that a checker ought not earn what they earn at Safeway. And, that the wage at Walmart is fair. I don't agree! We progress in this country and this is regression.
As you know, just dealing with the dynamics of a new Walmart going into an area has to increase the workforce but, it also lowers it as well, elsewhere. Perhaps the lag of a year or so for this transition goes unnoticed but, the relative wage and benefit differential is immediate for the folks in transit. I think it is true the vast majority of Walmart employees came from the unemployment rolls so they see the wage as an increase while the worker from Safeway sees unemployment as a vast decrease. The question is, however, what does the economy see? It sees no change in the disposable income of the hired and fired (netted out) except it does see the benefit of the lag and the (generally) lower price for goods.. and more of it procured because of this cheaper price.
Good stuff! It sees good stuff!
But, the above is not manufacturing or service jobs that are not replaced. This is the problem. Over time the unemployed willing worker - of any expertise - grows in numbers. With population growth and retirement delay we face a problem which needs not only a attitude change in the population but an increase (little by little) in stimuli from the Government, notwithstanding the debt! The drain on the coffers of unemployed and welfare is staggering and those $ could be better directed.. in this case from the top down..

What say you?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'm still waiting for the data/evidence that all these jobs being created are low paying/temp "walmart type" jobs. From the data I've looked at - there were about 30K "Retail" jobs created since September, which includes:
Motor vehicle and parts dealers, Furniture and home furnishings stores, Electronics and appliance stores, Building material and garden supply stores, Food and beverage stores, Health and personal care stores, Gasoline stations, Clothing and clothing accessories stores, Sporting goods, hobby, book, and music stores, General merchandise stores(walmart), plus some misc.

Now lets look at McDonalds type jobs, which would fall under the "Food services and drinking places" (as subcategory of Accommodations and food services) category - They added 23K jobs...

So IF they were all "McDonalds" and lets just say that all of the 30K in "Retail" were "Walmart type" jobs you'd still only have about 53K in "crappy" jobs - no? Well, a total of 126K net jobs were created during that timeframe...Hmmm..so 73K jobs weren't "Walmart or McDonalds type" jobs.

So for all you commentary reading pundits - have you looked at the data...or did you just eat up the comments about "low paying jobs" in all these reports and take it to mean they all were? Seems to me that way over half of the jobs created the last month were NOT Walmart/McDonalds type jobs. But whatever - don't let the data get in the way of your doom&gloom chanting.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

More and more, Wal-Mart is the bellwether for retail compensation. I would imagine, if it hasn't already happened, the majority of retail employment is going to fall in the level of Wal-Mart compensation. $7-9/hr. Benefits will cost you ~$100/mo and there's plenty of deductables if you actually use it. Probably get a few sick days and maybe 2 weeks vacation/yr.

IMO, that's not a good job. Might be OK for a student or a retired person.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

"It's hard to find anything wrong with the economy lately. Everything is going right for a change," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York.

But...but...but...I thought it was only the AT economists

Oh, and there are alot of good details in that link too - not just that one quote

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

I, for one, am glad to see the economy improving. It's good news for sure. About damn time.

 

[rjain]

"The economy" has been improving since late in 2001.
The job market has just started improving a few months ago.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I, for one, am glad to see the economy improving. It's good news for sure. About damn time.

Becareful...you might become one of "the AT economists" Dave talks about.

CkG