US consumer confidence booms in November

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
Ohh I forgot, there are jobs being created.

Brrr...I feel a draft

Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service.
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So much for the "Voluntary" Military the AT Pundits in here covet so much.

I hope this means we Draft all the young Illegal Aliens we are giving Driver's Licenses to as well.

I bet that would sure stem the insane tidal flow across the border.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

So much for the "Voluntary" Military the AT Pundits in here covet so much.

I hope this means we Draft all the young Illegal Aliens we are giving Driver's Licenses to as well.

I bet that would sure stem the insane tidal flow across the border.

You can thank Clinton for cutting our military back.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

So much for the "Voluntary" Military the AT Pundits in here covet so much.

I hope this means we Draft all the young Illegal Aliens we are giving Driver's Licenses to as well.

I bet that would sure stem the insane tidal flow across the border.

You can thank Clinton for cutting our military back.

Stuck in some kind of time loop? Last I checked he hasn't been President for 3 years now.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Check my sig.
CkG

Yeah, I've seen it. It's not nice to talk down to 1/2 the country, remember?

Half the country's people are liberal economists?

CkG

no, just liberals, they know nothing of economics

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Get a clue people. To ignore ALL the signs of growth is silly. Net jobs(not just walmart

) are being created, [. . .]

Do you have any evidence there is a net increase of good jobs, not just Wal-Mart type jobs? (Unless there is a standard definiton, let's assume a "good" job is something that pays at least $40,000 per year.) Everything I've read says the increase is mostly due to low-paying jobs with poor/no benefits. I've mentioned this at least twice before, but you've ignored it.

You've also ignored the fact that we've only gained back a few hundred thousand of the several million jobs lost under Bush-lite's term. There is a long, long way to go before we get back to square one, even if these new jobs are comparable to the millions lost.

I'd like to see that proof too Bow.

CAD, DirtBoy, Rjain, Charrison, anyone, have anything to show it isn't just WalMart jobs being created or jobs even above $30,000 with benefits?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Get a clue people. To ignore ALL the signs of growth is silly. Net jobs(not just walmart

) are being created, [. . .]

Do you have any evidence there is a net increase of good jobs, not just Wal-Mart type jobs? (Unless there is a standard definiton, let's assume a "good" job is something that pays at least $40,000 per year.) Everything I've read says the increase is mostly due to low-paying jobs with poor/no benefits. I've mentioned this at least twice before, but you've ignored it.

You've also ignored the fact that we've only gained back a few hundred thousand of the several million jobs lost under Bush-lite's term. There is a long, long way to go before we get back to square one, even if these new jobs are comparable to the millions lost.

I'd like to see that proof too Bow.

CAD, DirtBoy, Rjain, Charrison, anyone, have anything to show it isn't just WalMart jobs being created or jobs even above $30,000 with benefits?

According to economic studies, incomes are rising....

linkage

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


I'd like to see that proof too Bow.

CAD, DirtBoy, Rjain, Charrison, anyone, have anything to show it isn't just WalMart jobs being created or jobs even above $30,000 with benefits?

I'd like to see your proof that WalMart is the only company hiring.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

So much for the "Voluntary" Military the AT Pundits in here covet so much.

I hope this means we Draft all the young Illegal Aliens we are giving Driver's Licenses to as well.

I bet that would sure stem the insane tidal flow across the border.

You can thank Clinton for cutting our military back.

Stuck in some kind of time loop? Last I checked he hasn't been President for 3 years now.

Stuck in some kind of stupidty loop? Clinton decimated the military during his time and has left it crippled. Oh I forgot, you think that everything instantly changes in the world based on who is President at the time.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Genesys
no, just liberals, they know nothing of economics

Riiiiight. Liberals are stoooooopid. Duuuuuhhh.

Generalize much?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Get a clue people. To ignore ALL the signs of growth is silly. Net jobs(not just walmart

) are being created, [. . .]

Do you have any evidence there is a net increase of good jobs, not just Wal-Mart type jobs? (Unless there is a standard definiton, let's assume a "good" job is something that pays at least $40,000 per year.) Everything I've read says the increase is mostly due to low-paying jobs with poor/no benefits. I've mentioned this at least twice before, but you've ignored it.

You've also ignored the fact that we've only gained back a few hundred thousand of the several million jobs lost under Bush-lite's term. There is a long, long way to go before we get back to square one, even if these new jobs are comparable to the millions lost.

No - I haven't "ignored" anything, which is EXACTLY why I keep saying that things aren't "golden" but they are getting better. I've repeatedly stated that jobs still need to come along but they are as the data has shown. Everything is now heading in the right direction. You can't just create jobs without a base for them...otherwise you'd have a "bubble" like some here keep yapping about.

The economy added 286,000 jobs from August through October

CkG

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
meanwhile...

Sprint to Lay off 2,000 Workers by the End of the Year

Yeah except for the fact that 60,000 jobs were gained in September, 90,000 in October, and so far estimates are 150,000 jobs gained in November. With the job market full steam ahead by end of Q2 2004, atleast according to most MAJOR economists. The dems are farked.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dualsmp
meanwhile...

Sprint to Lay off 2,000 Workers by the End of the Year

Yeah except for the fact that 60,000 jobs were gained in September, 90,000 in October, and so far estimates are 150,000 jobs gained in November. With the job market full steam ahead by end of Q2 2004. The dems are farked.

The problem is for Dave and all the other economically challenged people that post here is that they don't see headlines like, Microsoft to hire 10 billion American's. No suprise, because we never see information like that. What do we see? Job lose here, job lose there. And I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about the past as well. Why? Simple, the mainstream new focuses on such negative topics and it is easy to report news like that. It doesn't take much effort. What does take effort is to track every laid off worker to find out if they are retiring or if they are looking for new work and where they ended up at. Companies usually hire in small numbers, but too many people in this forum are too stupid to realize it. They will continue to see the news and all the wrong in the world. These same people were probably complaining during the dot.com boom because they couldn't land a six figure job with stock options for surfing the web all day and partying all night.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Get a clue people. To ignore ALL the signs of growth is silly. Net jobs(not just walmart

) are being created, [. . .]

Do you have any evidence there is a net increase of good jobs, not just Wal-Mart type jobs? (Unless there is a standard definiton, let's assume a "good" job is something that pays at least $40,000 per year.) Everything I've read says the increase is mostly due to low-paying jobs with poor/no benefits. I've mentioned this at least twice before, but you've ignored it.

You've also ignored the fact that we've only gained back a few hundred thousand of the several million jobs lost under Bush-lite's term. There is a long, long way to go before we get back to square one, even if these new jobs are comparable to the millions lost.

No - I haven't "ignored" anything, which is EXACTLY why I keep saying that things aren't "golden" but they are getting better. I've repeatedly stated that jobs still need to come along but they are as the data has shown. Everything is now heading in the right direction. You can't just create jobs without a base for them...otherwise you'd have a "bubble" like some here keep yapping about.

The economy added 286,000 jobs from August through October

CkG

In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

 

[LunarRay]

If Walmart et al open 1000 stores and hire a million folks the question is how many jobs WILL be lost due to that action.. maybe a million? The net is the key and the wage rate differential..

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Get a clue people. To ignore ALL the signs of growth is silly. Net jobs(not just walmart

) are being created, [. . .]

Do you have any evidence there is a net increase of good jobs, not just Wal-Mart type jobs? (Unless there is a standard definiton, let's assume a "good" job is something that pays at least $40,000 per year.) Everything I've read says the increase is mostly due to low-paying jobs with poor/no benefits. I've mentioned this at least twice before, but you've ignored it.

You've also ignored the fact that we've only gained back a few hundred thousand of the several million jobs lost under Bush-lite's term. There is a long, long way to go before we get back to square one, even if these new jobs are comparable to the millions lost.

No - I haven't "ignored" anything, which is EXACTLY why I keep saying that things aren't "golden" but they are getting better. I've repeatedly stated that jobs still need to come along but they are as the data has shown. Everything is now heading in the right direction. You can't just create jobs without a base for them...otherwise you'd have a "bubble" like some here keep yapping about.

The economy added 286,000 jobs from August through October

CkG

In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

In other words, no, you don't have any evidence that it is "just Walmart [type jobs]" being created.
You can say anything you want but incomes are on the rise(charrison's link) and jobs are on the rise. You think that only low paying jobs are being created? who supplies the places these people work? Are those low paying jobs too? Trucking industry is up, orders are increasing....but yeah...everyone is learning the proper "greater lingo"

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dualsmp
meanwhile...

Sprint to Lay off 2,000 Workers by the End of the Year

Yeah except for the fact that 60,000 jobs were gained in September, 90,000 in October, and so far estimates are 150,000 jobs gained in November. With the job market full steam ahead by end of Q2 2004. The dems are farked.

The problem is for Dave and all the other economically challenged people that post here is that they don't see headlines like, Microsoft to hire 10 billion American's. No suprise, because we never see information like that. What do we see? Job lose here, job lose there. And I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about the past as well. Why? Simple, the mainstream new focuses on such negative topics and it is easy to report news like that. It doesn't take much effort. What does take effort is to track every laid off worker to find out if they are retiring or if they are looking for new work and where they ended up at. Companies usually hire in small numbers, but too many people in this forum are too stupid to realize it. They will continue to see the news and all the wrong in the world. These same people were probably complaining during the dot.com boom because they couldn't land a six figure job with stock options for surfing the web all day and partying all night.

Sorry dirtboy, you're in over your head. I'd suggest you not call others "economically challenged" until you learn something about the subject at hand.

We aren't the one who generate the jobs numbers. The government does the research for us. Since Bush took office, we've lost about three milllion jobs net. In the last three months, we've gained back less than 10% of them. If Microsoft hired "10 billion American's [sic]", it would show up in the government's figures whether it made a headline or not.

Moreover, not all jobs are created equal. I don't have any links handy, but the consensus is that many of the jobs lost are good, high-paying jobs; most of the jobs gained are low-paying, limited benefits Wal-Mart type jobs. People may become employed again, but they are often under-employed, earning less and often going without benefits. Let's hope this trend is reversed once we get a good, solid, jobs-based recovery going.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

Now this is only in one area, but need I remind you that the housing industry has been pretty hot lately? you think home construction labor is "cheap"?

Would you like fries with that?

<snips>
More new jobs were created in the last year in Northern Kentucky than in any year since 1996, two economic development organizations said today.

.....

Jobs created by three companies were responsible for the bulk of the new jobs:

? UNOVA Industrial Automation, which operates Cincinnati Machine. The company moved its operations out of the Oakley neighborhood in Cincinnati to Hebron.

? FedEx Ground, which is opening a large facility in Florence.

? Kroger, the Cincinnati-based grocery chain that has opened a data center in Crestview Hills.

Existing companies that added employees were:

? American Power Services, Erlanger, which makes heat transfer equipment.

? Blue Star, Florence, which makes injection moldings.

? Citigroup, Florence, the bank and credit card company.

? Krauss-Maffei, Florence, which processes plastics.

? Lemforder, Hebron, which makes bus, truck and car bushings.

? Mubea, Florence, which makes auto springs.

? Obara, Erlanger, which makes welding equipment.

? Ticona Polymers, which has its headquarters and a polymer research and development facility in Florence.
</snips>

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

In other words, no, you don't have any evidence that it is "just Walmart [type jobs]" being created.
You can say anything you want but incomes are on the rise(charrison's link) and jobs are on the rise. You think that only low paying jobs are being created? who supplies the places these people work? Are those low paying jobs too? Trucking industry is up, orders are increasing....but yeah...everyone is learning the proper "greater lingo"

CkG

You made the assertion that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You bear the burden of proof. Back it up or admit it's just wishful thinking.

Re. charrison's numbers, they don't measure whether people have good jobs or mediocre jobs. Note that the June numbers were better than September, even though June was a bad month for job losses. Perhaps one of our resident economists can offer better insight into how those figures are calculated and what they represent.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You made the assertion that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You bear the burden of proof. Back it up or admit it's just wishful thinking.

Actually Dave and the other naysayers are the ones making those accusations - so they hold the burden of proof. You(they) are the ones who keep bringing it up in all the good economic news threads.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

Now this is only in one area, but need I remind you that the housing industry has been pretty hot lately? you think home construction labor is "cheap"?

Would you like fries with that?

<snips>
More new jobs were created in the last year in Northern Kentucky than in any year since 1996, two economic development organizations said today.

.....

Jobs created by three companies were responsible for the bulk of the new jobs:

? UNOVA Industrial Automation, which operates Cincinnati Machine. The company moved its operations out of the Oakley neighborhood in Cincinnati to Hebron.

? FedEx Ground, which is opening a large facility in Florence.

? Kroger, the Cincinnati-based grocery chain that has opened a data center in Crestview Hills.

Existing companies that added employees were:

? American Power Services, Erlanger, which makes heat transfer equipment.

? Blue Star, Florence, which makes injection moldings.

? Citigroup, Florence, the bank and credit card company.

? Krauss-Maffei, Florence, which processes plastics.

? Lemforder, Hebron, which makes bus, truck and car bushings.

? Mubea, Florence, which makes auto springs.

? Obara, Erlanger, which makes welding equipment.

? Ticona Polymers, which has its headquarters and a polymer research and development facility in Florence.
</snips>

Aren't you the guy that was just attacking others for pointing to a few specific examples instead of looking at the overall picture? "Get a clue people." "Some people need to read and pay attention."

But it sounds like good news for northern Kentucky. I wonder if they have 2,700,000 more openings?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You made the assertion that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You bear the burden of proof. Back it up or admit it's just wishful thinking.

Actually Dave and the other naysayers are the ones making those accusations - so they hold the burden of proof. You(they) are the ones who keep bringing it up in all the good economic news threads.

CkG

Funny how the YABAs never back up their claims when challenged. Somehow, they always rationalize that the other guy bears the burden of proof.

Dodge it all you want, Sir Cad. I'll assume it's wishful thinking until I see evidence we are regaining good jobs in the same proportion that we lost them.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You just made it up.

Thanks.

Now this is only in one area, but need I remind you that the housing industry has been pretty hot lately? you think home construction labor is "cheap"?

Would you like fries with that?

<snips>
More new jobs were created in the last year in Northern Kentucky than in any year since 1996, two economic development organizations said today.

.....

Jobs created by three companies were responsible for the bulk of the new jobs:

? UNOVA Industrial Automation, which operates Cincinnati Machine. The company moved its operations out of the Oakley neighborhood in Cincinnati to Hebron.

? FedEx Ground, which is opening a large facility in Florence.

? Kroger, the Cincinnati-based grocery chain that has opened a data center in Crestview Hills.

Existing companies that added employees were:

? American Power Services, Erlanger, which makes heat transfer equipment.

? Blue Star, Florence, which makes injection moldings.

? Citigroup, Florence, the bank and credit card company.

? Krauss-Maffei, Florence, which processes plastics.

? Lemforder, Hebron, which makes bus, truck and car bushings.

? Mubea, Florence, which makes auto springs.

? Obara, Erlanger, which makes welding equipment.

? Ticona Polymers, which has its headquarters and a polymer research and development facility in Florence.
</snips>

Aren't you the guy that was just attacking others for pointing to a few specific examples instead of looking at the overall picture? "Get a clue people." "Some people need to read and pay attention."

But it sounds like good news for northern Kentucky. I wonder if they have 2,700,000 more openings?

Some people need to learn to read.

"Now this is only in one area, but need I remind you that the housing industry has been pretty hot lately? you think home construction labor is "cheap"?"

Oh, and here is more info.

"I don't have a flood of displaced high-tech workers eager to begin a new career installing roof systems,"
<Snip>
Another problem topping the list of concerns is a lack of qualified workers.

"The labor factor always is a consideration," notes Marv Miller, vice president of Twin City Roofing & Material of Mandan, Mandan, N.D. "The less-populated regions of the country will continue to experience a tight labor market. There just aren't enough bodies to go around."

But even when contractors can find qualified workers, they have a hard time retaining employees.

"We have hired numerous roofing crew personnel who, after being trained, are hired away by other roofing contractors," explains Bill Taylor, CEO and chairman of D.C. Taylor, Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "Our hiring and training expenses are quite high, and besides, this is frustrating."

In Ashland, Va., Nicholle DeShazo Anderson, controller of J. King DeShazo III Inc., says: "We continue to have problems attracting and obtaining roof mechanics and field supervisors. The more work we seem to obtain, the more qualified field personnel we seem to lose."

Expanding regulatory standards also have affected the work force crunch. And homeland security policies and tightened immigration policies hinder contractors' abilities to expand their crews.

"I am concerned about immigration policy and work force issues. Although a weak job market and border security concerns are conspiring to dampen any liberalization of immigration policy, I don't have a flood of displaced high-tech workers eager to begin a new career installing roof systems," reports Todd Hewitt, president of Texas Fifth Wall Roofing Systems Inc., Austin.
</snip>

No jobs anywhere huh? But yeah roofing and construction is just lowpaying Walmart type work

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Welcome to Wal-Mart Cad! Would you like to see some buttloads of crap made in China? I knew you would...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You made the assertion that "not just walmart [type jobs] are being created." You bear the burden of proof. Back it up or admit it's just wishful thinking.

Actually Dave and the other naysayers are the ones making those accusations - so they hold the burden of proof. You(they) are the ones who keep bringing it up in all the good economic news threads.

CkG

Funny how the YABAs never back up their claims when challenged. Somehow, they always rationalize that the other guy bears the burden of proof.

Dodge it all you want, Sir Cad. I'll assume it's wishful thinking until I see evidence we are regaining good jobs in the same proportion that we lost them.

Buahahaha - who's dodging proof? Funny how the naysayers won't back up their claims when challenged - somehow they always rationalize that the other guy bears the burden of proof.

I don't see anyone backing up their "it's walmart" claims. But yeah that list of industries in that other link were just low paying jobs

...and it was only isolated to that part of the country

. Sure there are layoff all over too, but there are opportunities available also and it doesn't change the overall economic direction or outlook. Some people just need to get off their ass and get a job instead of whining.

Now again - MY argument was: "trying to dismiss the overall economic growth and direction with select layoffs(inspite of overall job creation) is ridiculous." Me providing job growth data was not to prop up the assesment of the overall economic outlook - it was to provide proof the the whiners who won't back up their claims of the walmartization of jobs. They have yet to provide specific solid evidence of it. I provided data for some "good" jobs. The ball is in naysayer's court.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Some people need to learn to read

At last, something we agree on!

[ . . . ]No jobs anywhere huh? But yeah roofing and construction is just lowpaying Walmart type work

Does your conscience ever bother you? As you know full well, I did not say anything like "no jobs anywhere". You damage your case when you constantly resort to lies to sell it.

You're a chip off the old block. **cough**Iraq**cough**