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US congress threatens Netherlands with Invasion

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B00ne

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Is The US totally nuts now or what. Its about a law that passed the senate to empower the president to use all means necessary (including military - oh, what a surprise) to free americans from the internatinal court. Funny guys u are, saying u want to bring human rights and freedom to the world but beeing scared when human rights are gonna be the measure even for u. Or was your understanding of human rights that everybody should have them except when u have to break them - I guess so, Emporers just make the rights they need...


here is the article it is googled - dunno if that is understandable but its too much txt to be translated by me

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Der Spiegel
 
Or was your understanding of human rights that everybody should have them except when u have to break them - I guess so, Emporers just make the rights they need...
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Pretty harsh generalization of American's thoughts on Human Rights. How many death camps have we had?
 
Der Spiegel is being nothing more than their typically sarcastic, somewhat sensational self in publishing this article.
 
Originally posted by: minendo
Or was your understanding of human rights that everybody should have them except when u have to break them - I guess so, Emporers just make the rights they need...
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Pretty harsh generalization of American's thoughts on Human Rights. How many death camps have we had?
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You mean you've never had camps where US citizens of non-european origin were held, while their property was confiscated?
 
Originally posted by: Vespasian
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sorry man no flamebait, this is what i read in a respectable news weekly. Of course the headline is sensational, but u have to read the article, to know that this does NOT mean that the US is going to attack the Netherlands. BUT the law that was passed is implying a definate probability that it could happen if US citizen are charged by the Internatinal court. And it is showing the disrespect of the US Government to all nations of the world.
This is just open to discussion as I dont live in the US and do not know the public opinion onb things like that I merely know governmental opinion on this as these are easily accessable through the media(any countries).


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btw "Der Spiegel" might be sarcastic at times but it is by no means a sensational Magazine (the online edition beeing different from the print edition and a little sensational at times). The articles are usually originate from sound research.
 
Your title isn't what the article is about at all. The whole idea is that the US wants the right to try its own citizens. And that the US is prepared to support that wish with force if necessary. Personally, I think we have every right to do so. This is the way international relations work. A country has supreme authority over its own citizens, and if any other country (or "international group") wants to supplant that authority, they must either have the ageement of the citizen's country or the force to do so. But they have no "right" to try another country's citizens.
 
Originally posted by: minendo
Pretty harsh generalization of American's thoughts on Human Rights. How many death camps have we had?
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One too many. WWII when the Japanese were rounded up and put into camps.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: minendo
Pretty harsh generalization of American's thoughts on Human Rights. How many death camps have we had?
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One too many. WWII when the Japanese were rounded up and put into camps.
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hmmm, as bad as the internment camps were, I don't recall the U.S. government sending those interned to gas chambers to be executed.

 
Uhhhhh, im gonna be living in the Netherlands for 5 months this fall...
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: minendo
Pretty harsh generalization of American's thoughts on Human Rights. How many death camps have we had?
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One too many. WWII when the Japanese were rounded up and put into camps.
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They aren't exactly being put to do heavy labor and executed left and right though. The Indian camp in the 19th and early 20th century I think do worse damage in term of human rights.

Anyway, Netherland doesn't need any invaders, mother nature will simply flooded it in a few more decades.
 
Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: Vespasian
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sorry man no flamebait, this is what i read in a respectable news weekly. Of course the headline is sensational, but u have to read the article, to know that this does NOT mean that the US is going to attack the Netherlands. BUT the law that was passed is implying a definate probability that it could happen if US citizen are charged by the Internatinal court. And it is showing the disrespect of the US Government to all nations of the world.
This is just open to discussion as I dont live in the US and do not know the public opinion onb things like that I merely know governmental opinion on this as these are easily accessable through the media(any countries).


PS
btw "Der Spiegel" might be sarcastic at times but it is by no means a sensational Magazine (the online edition beeing different from the print edition and a little sensational at times). The articles are usually originate from sound research.
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As far as respect goes, I think the feeling is mutal. The US gets kicked around by other nations (especially in Europe) so much that I'm not surprised that our government has started loosing respect for other nations.

Also, please remember that no court can be truly impartial. I think courts in the US would be just as fair as any international court.
 
This is what I found on the subject, besides some articals in Dutch:


SEC. 2008. AUTHORITY TO FREE MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES AND CERTAIN OTHER PERSONS DETAINED OR IMPRISONED BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.

(a) AUTHORITY- The President is authorized to use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any person described in subsection (b) who is being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court.

(b) PERSONS AUTHORIZED TO BE FREED- The authority of subsection (a) shall extend to the following persons:
(1) Covered United States persons.
(2) Covered allied persons.
(3) Individuals detained or imprisoned for official actions taken while the individual was a covered United States person or a covered allied person, and in the case of a covered allied person, upon the request of such government.

(c) AUTHORIZATION OF LEGAL ASSISTANCE- When any person described in subsection (b) is arrested, detained, investigated, prosecuted, or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court, the President is authorized to direct any agency of the United States Government to provide--
(1) legal representation and other legal assistance to that person (including, in the case of a person entitled to assistance under section 1037 of title 10, United States Code, representation and other assistance in the manner provided in that section);
(2) exculpatory evidence on behalf of that person; and
(3) defense of the interests of the United States through appearance before the International Criminal Court pursuant to Article 18 or 19 of the Rome Statute, or before the courts or tribunals of any country.

(d) BRIBES AND OTHER INDUCEMENTS NOT AUTHORIZED- This section does not authorize the payment of bribes or the provision of other such incentives to induce the release of a person described in subsection (b).

SEC. 2014. REPEAL OF LIMITATION.

The Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2002 (division A of Public Law 107-117) is amended by striking section 8173.

This Act may be cited as the `2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for Further Recovery From and Response To Terrorist Attacks on the United States'.
Passed the House of Representatives May 24, 2002.

Attest:

Clerk.


107th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 4775

AN ACT
Making supplemental appropriations for further recovery from and response to terrorist attacks on the United States for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes.


Interesting though: US marines trying to land on the Dutch coast.

BTW Nemesis77 is Finnish as far as I know.
 
This story, although inoherent in its linked form, stems from the fact that the U S has said that it will not allow it's military personnel to be captured and tried by the Haig (sp?) court without due process in this country first. It has also been said that if our personnel were captured by the Haig that retrieving them by force would always be an option.
 
Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: Vespasian
Warning: Extreme Flamebait! :Q
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btw "Der Spiegel" might be sarcastic at times but it is by no means a sensational Magazine (the online edition beeing different from the print edition and a little sensational at times). The articles are usually originate from sound research.
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Sensational in comparison to Bild am Sonntag oder Neue Revue = No

Sensational in comparison to Newsweek or Time = Yes

<<US-Kongress droht Niederlanden mit Invasion>> = Bl&ouml;dsinn, glaube Ich aber.
 
1) the US constitution recognizes no higher court than what we've already got here in the states
2) we already try our soldiers for their crimes, we don't need anyone else doing it
3) likely to be used as a way to hit back at the US. (see gross abusers of human rights being put on the UN human rights council)


<--- FP realist
 
Interesting to say the least. I wonder what the motivator was. In my experience with working for the government, laws and policies are reactions to a particular event or situation. They almost never happen because someone thinks something might happen.

This story, although inoherent in its linked form, stems from the fact that the U S has said that it will not allow it's military personnel to be captured and tried by the Haig (sp?) court without due process in this country first. It has also been said that if our personnel were captured by the Haig that retrieving them by force would always be an option.
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That's The Hague. Note the capital "T" in The.

It does appear that the current U.S. administration is not interested in participating in the New World Order.
 
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