Upgrading to Vista? Think Mac.

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Screw Apple, just got finished writing a 9 page essay (1900+ word) bashing them for one of my computer science classes. I sure hope the prof. is not a fanboy.

What Computer Science class would make you write about something like that? 😕

The only class that I could imagine it being marginally appropriate in is a computer ethics class.

The level of hatred most PC users have for Apple, Macs, and Mac users amazes me.

People have way too much time on their hands....

I would say most of the profs I know use Macs in some way or another. In fact, a specific prof of mine (one of the foremost experts on computer security in the country -- you know, the type of guy who has to cancel office hours because the FBI is calling him) pretty much uses Macs exclusively. And he's probably forgotten more about computers than all of ATOT combined.

I mean, fanboys are idiots, regardless of what they love. I, personally, have a PC at home, a Powerbook and I do my research on a Linux machine. I can see the benefits of all three, but people who blindly diss macs are morons.

My favorite Mac diss is that they're "too expensive?" Y'know, some people don't care. Some people have money. Some people don't mind spending said money for a superior product. When they can make a PC laptop as nice as my Powerbook, I'll buy one. Until then, I don't care how much it costs, I'm not going back.

Whatever...I'm certainly not trying to "convert" anyone here (I already made money off Apple stock, I don't care what it does 😀) I just think people get a kick out of dissing Apple users, and I don't get that.

LOL you sound like one of the most fanatic fanboys in this thread.

As for Macs, i like Macs. I like my Macbook, it replaced my 700m (although took me awhile to get rid of the 700m, even when i had the Macbook... i just wished Apple would release something like the 12" ibook, something almost in the ultra portable range). I ONLY do my online banking, paypal, and other sensitive/important stuff on my Macbook, even though i'm 99% sure my Windows systems are clean and secured. I also love the keyboard on the Macbook. Oh, and Textmate (3rd party app i know, but still a sweet Mac only software).

But Vista is sweet, and far superior to OSX in almost everything but security (but really too early to tell). I'll probably eventually toss Vista on the Mac if i can i get a cheap copy and know it'll function 100%.

Yeah I'm bummed there's no 12". I've heard rumors of a 12" MacBook Pro in June/July-ish, but who knows if that will pan out. I liked the 13" MacBook when I had it, but it still felt like a brick (weight vs. size). I really want a Mac ultraportable, but I hate the screens on the G4 models. Oh well, wait and watch.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Screw Apple, just got finished writing a 9 page essay (1900+ word) bashing them for one of my computer science classes. I sure hope the prof. is not a fanboy.

What Computer Science class would make you write about something like that? 😕

The only class that I could imagine it being marginally appropriate in is a computer ethics class.

CSC 309, Computers and Society, required and it is a hell of a lot of writing.... brings my back to my Organic Chemistry lab report days, although considerably easier.

BTW, document is in rough draft stage (have not even proof read it) due date is later this month, it is not going to leave my hard drive as I do not want any chance of it turning up on turnitin.com anytime soon.

what about the general basis of your argument? I'm really curious.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
I'll think Mac once they don't cost $2000 to play a few ports and the same old original Mac-exclusives released in the early-90's.

😕

You can get a refurb Mac Mini Core Duo for $649.

Refurb Mac? How can that be....I am always told by Mac Fanboys that Macs never break!

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Screw Apple, just got finished writing a 9 page essay (1900+ word) bashing them for one of my computer science classes. I sure hope the prof. is not a fanboy.

What Computer Science class would make you write about something like that? 😕

The only class that I could imagine it being marginally appropriate in is a computer ethics class.

The level of hatred most PC users have for Apple, Macs, and Mac users amazes me.

People have way too much time on their hands....

I would say most of the profs I know use Macs in some way or another. In fact, a specific prof of mine (one of the foremost experts on computer security in the country -- you know, the type of guy who has to cancel office hours because the FBI is calling him) pretty much uses Macs exclusively. And he's probably forgotten more about computers than all of ATOT combined.

I mean, fanboys are idiots, regardless of what they love. I, personally, have a PC at home, a Powerbook and I do my research on a Linux machine. I can see the benefits of all three, but people who blindly diss macs are morons.

My favorite Mac diss is that they're "too expensive?" Y'know, some people don't care. Some people have money. Some people don't mind spending said money for a superior product. When they can make a PC laptop as nice as my Powerbook, I'll buy one. Until then, I don't care how much it costs, I'm not going back.

Whatever...I'm certainly not trying to "convert" anyone here (I already made money off Apple stock, I don't care what it does 😀) I just think people get a kick out of dissing Apple users, and I don't get that.

LOL you sound like one of the most fanatic fanboys in this thread.

As for Macs, i like Macs. I like my Macbook, it replaced my 700m (although took me awhile to get rid of the 700m, even when i had the Macbook... i just wished Apple would release something like the 12" ibook, something almost in the ultra portable range). I ONLY do my online banking, paypal, and other sensitive/important stuff on my Macbook, even though i'm 99% sure my Windows systems are clean and secured. I also love the keyboard on the Macbook. Oh, and Textmate (3rd party app i know, but still a sweet Mac only software).

But Vista is sweet, and far superior to OSX in almost everything but security (but really too early to tell). I'll probably eventually toss Vista on the Mac if i can i get a cheap copy and know it'll function 100%.

IN what way do you consider Vista to be superior to OS X in every regard. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 or 3 things that I feel that Vista falls short in as compared to OS X. For instance, the fact that I still can't edit the name and location of an open file. The SideBar is annoying in that it simply stays there... doesn't minimize... just sort of sits there. Flip3D is like slapping a colorful CareBear bandaid on the bulletwound that is Alt-Tab. I like the live preview in Flip3D, and I like the live preview on the taskbar...

Oh, and the UAC is incredibly annoying, and doesn't fix the issue, it just annoys the user.

I am not saying that OS X is without faults. The file sharing under OS X is asinine. IN Windows, if I want to share a file, I right-click and hit share... and that folder is shared. In OS X if I turn on file sharing, a specific folder is shared, which I can never remember its location. Also, things are louder in windows... and I can game in it. But past that, I use OS X for everything else.

 

[FDF12389]

I have windows XP/Vista dual boot on my main desktop at home, but I have a iBook G3 and PowerBook G4 and I love those too, since I dont do any gaming at school or work they do just fine. There is a market for both, so just stop arguing about it.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: TheStu
IN what way do you consider Vista to be superior to OS X in every regard. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 or 3 things that I feel that Vista falls short in as compared to OS X. For instance, the fact that I still can't edit the name and location of an open file.

Well, can't say that's ever really bothered me. I guess i'm so use to it as being the norm that i never even attempted this before (if i want an open file renamed i usually use Save As and rename it that way).

The SideBar is annoying in that it simply stays there... doesn't minimize... just sort of sits there.

I actually think this is superior to OSX. You can't minimze it, but you can put windows ontop of it, so it's not always up front. The gadgets are just crappy atm. But i much prefer having the gadgets on the desktop than something that always needs to be brought up, taking up the entire screen and whatever you're doing, to just use the gadgets.

Flip3D is like slapping a colorful CareBear bandaid on the bulletwound that is Alt-Tab. I like the live preview in Flip3D, and I like the live preview on the taskbar...

Um ok.

Oh, and the UAC is incredibly annoying, and doesn't fix the issue, it just annoys the user.

How is this any less annoying than on OSX? At least with Vista, you don't have to retype the password each time... so i would think it's less annoying.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: WA261
Think Mac...Ok....Ummm....They suck? Sorry, only thing that comes to mind when I "Think Mac".

I love the whole...you basically need a whole new rig to run Vista. What a joke.

it's not a joke.

 

[miniMUNCH]

I used Mac for quite a while up until about a year ago... I now use a combo of windows and linux on a VM.

Reasons a dislike Mac's and OS X:

1. Price of admission.

2. Lack of solid engineering application support -- sure adobe products and audio/visual app's run on OS X. but try running autocad, solid-edge or any number of other major apps on Os X. There is either is not an OS X version or the OS X version is a crappy port (a la Matlab). I guess this really applies all the way around in almost every area of software... there is pretty much no killer app that runs on Mac that doesn't also run on windows or linux, there are many killer apps which run on windows which do not run on linux or OS X.

3. OS X is *nix and supports a lot of open source software via fink, et al but the support is not good enough. There are enough gotcha's in the OS X gnu compiler packages that breaks clean support for code that compiles and runs flawlessly on most any linux distro, or solaris for that matter. It often takes a lot of work to get codes running on Mac... so much so that, in my case, I found it was not worth the effort. Just use linux.

4. Finder... what a POS file browser. I gladly paid $35 bucks for Pathfinder to get mostly functional file browser...however, Apple did not make all of OS hooks.

5. Office app support... MS Office for OS X PPC blows major donkey balls... of course, that is MS's fault but Apple still is ultimately to blame for not having a decent office app suite of their OS. iWork blows even harder... so many critical bugs in the first releases of keynote and pages, I don't even know where to begin.

other things too... but they are more trivial in nature.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: WA261
Think Mac...Ok....Ummm....They suck? Sorry, only thing that comes to mind when I "Think Mac".

I love the whole...you basically need a whole new rig to run Vista. What a joke.

it's not a joke.

Then i must have one special computer. I have Vista Business on my 2 year old iXPS2 laptop, with 2ghz PM, 2gb ram, and 6800Ultra... and Vista runs BETTER than XP does.

 

[Codewiz]

How is this any less annoying than on OSX? At least with Vista, you don't have to retype the password each time... so i would think it's less annoying.

Use Vista for a month, then try OSX for a month.

It seems like 99% of things in OSX are done in the user space so you rarely need to elevate a process.

In Vista, it seems that almost everything requires elevation.

If they required a password in Vista, you would throw the computer out of the window.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I used Mac for quite a while up until about a year ago... I now use a combo of windows and linux on a VM.

Reasons a dislike Mac's and OS X:

1. Price of admission.

2. Lack of solid engineering application support -- sure adobe products and audio/visual app's run on OS X. but try running autocad, solid-edge or any number of other major apps on Os X. There is either is not an OS X version or the OS X version is a crappy port (a la Matlab). I guess this really applies all the way around in almost every area of software... there is pretty much no killer app that runs on Mac that doesn't also run on windows or linux, there are many killer apps which run on windows which do not run on linux or OS X.

3. OS X is *nix and supports a lot of open source software via fink, et al but the support is not good enough. There are enough gotcha's in the OS X gnu compiler packages that breaks clean support for code that compiles and runs flawlessly on most any linux distro, or solaris for that matter. It often takes a lot of work to get codes running on Mac... so much so that, in my case, I found it was not worth the effort. Just use linux.

4. Finder... what a POS file browser. I gladly paid $35 bucks for Pathfinder to get mostly functional file browser...however, Apple did not make all of OS hooks.

5. Office app support... MS Office for OS X PPC blows major donkey balls... of course, that is MS's fault but Apple still is ultimately to blame for not having a decent office app suite of their OS. iWork blows even harder... so many critical bugs in the first releases of keynote and pages, I don't even know where to begin.

other things too... but they are more trivial in nature.

I'm an Apply fanboy but I have no illusions as to their quality. They are like any other electronics company and have their problems. Recently -

13" MacBook purchased in May 2006 - overheating/random shutdown/hard drive problems
20" iMac purchased in February 2006 - really poor wifi reception
iPods - various 1418 errors (especially on the new Shuffles)

I could go on, but you get the picture. Lesson learned, never buy first-generation hardware :Q

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: TheStu
Flip3D is like slapping a colorful CareBear bandaid on the bulletwound that is Alt-Tab. I like the live preview in Flip3D, and I like the live preview on the taskbar...

Exposé is so much more functional/productive than Flip3D.

 

[andy04]

Hey Ididot,

We are building rigs here to play games takling about raptors and 8800s not for some sissy a** jobs that Macs do... I am completely at a loss at trying to undertsand how you can compare Mac with Windows...

Thanks
Smart A**

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Screw Apple, just got finished writing a 9 page essay (1900+ word) bashing them for one of my computer science classes. I sure hope the prof. is not a fanboy.

😕 1900 words is like 7 pages double spaced on times new roman at font size 12...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
I'll think Mac once they don't cost $2000 to play a few ports and the same old original Mac-exclusives released in the early-90's.

😕

You can get a refurb Mac Mini Core Duo for $649.

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