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Upgrading to a Celeron D

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Spelling wasn't what made it laughable Felix, although it did compound upon the sheer stupidity of it all. Rather, your blanket statements regarding Intel and AMD products have become the laughingstock of this forum, since you truly believe you are spreading the 'gospel' of how a worse performing, more expensive Intel platform is a good alternative to an AMD solution. It truly makes you look like you haven't read a single review in the last year, because you don't seem to realize that the P4EE is losing to the 300-dollar cheaper Athlon FX-53 in every benchmark, even in the traditionally Intel-favored benchmarks (i.e. media encoding). In addition, you honestly think that a Celeron, no matter its type, is better than any (less expensive) Athlon XP or Sempron solution.

Go read any of the FX-53/P4EE reviews and especially the Sempron/Celeron D reviews from this very site, where Anand himself doesn't even say the Celly D is losing a little, he flat out says the Sempron is the better chip.

Basically the reason why everyone is laughing at you and trying to clean up your wake of misinformation and FUD is that you've never posted a single reliable link to why you think your 1000 dollar processor is that much better than any lowly AMD product. Instead, you just post short, mispelled rantings aimed your detractors that resort to lowbrow playground name calling or self-inflation, rather than intelligent replies. As a whole I think the forum just wants you to read up and realize your mistake or, barring that, just grow up a little.
 
Spelling is what made it laughable ZobarStyl, and it didnt compound upon the sheer stupidity of the person pointing it out. The blanket statements regarding AMD products are little exaggerated and yes AMD is the laughingstock of this forum, especially since you are using one.

The more reliable and long term affordable Intel platform is a good alternative to any AMD solution. It truly makes me look like Ive read every single review in the last year, because I seem to realize that the P4EE is the king of all CPUs. In addition, Celeron is better than any Athlon XP or Sempron solution.

Now, ZobarStyl, basically just grow up a little. 🙂
 
My point exactly; you post obviously incorrect information and comebacks worthy of five year olds. You've proved my point better than I could hope, thanks.

On that note, can we get a lock, mods? It's only going downhill with him...
 
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
My point exactly; you post obviously incorrect information and comebacks worthy of five year olds. You've proved my point better than I could hope, thanks.

On that note, can we get a lock, mods? It's only going downhill with him...
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Originally posted by: cbehnken
Felix, you are a flaming Intel fanboy and a dumba$$.

Like the man said check this link:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2139&p=7

AMD 64s and Sempron destroy the Celeron Ds in every test, even in encoding.
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Are you reading the same graphs as I am? Sure the Sempron 3100+ is a beast, but the Celeron D 330 ($89 retail box at Newegg) is neck and neck in that benchmark with the Sempron 2800+ ($107 retail box)at 31fps. The socket A Semprons and Celeron Ds are pretty much tied in most everything I see.

Just wanted to clear that up. And before I get called out as a Intel fanboy, I've been all AMD in my builds for myself, friends and family since I started building rigs in 2000 (so I've built K6-2, Duron, and Athlon XP systems). But I honestly think that the D isn't all that bad (just like the 300As and the Tualatin Celerons - other Celerons that defied the general rule of suckiness in that processor line). I'm going to upgrade/rebuild a Duron system I put together for one of my wife's family members back in 2001, and I seriously debating between the Celeron D/i848 or Sempron A/NF2 combos at Fry's to base the upgrade around. A decent special on the Sempron 3100+ trumps both, of course, but I'm really having a hard time deciding between the two.

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
 
Originally posted by: batmanuel

Are you reading the same graphs as I am? Sure the Sempron 3100+ is a beast, but the Celeron D 330 ($89 retail box at Newegg) is neck and neck in that benchmark with the Sempron 2800+ ($107 retail box)at 31fps. The socket A Semprons and Celeron Ds are pretty much tied in most everything I see.
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I wouldn't say they are tied in most everything. The Semperon is stronger in some areas and the Celeron D is stronger in others, but overall it is reasonable to say that they have similar overall performance.

Just wanted to clear that up. And before I get called out as a Intel fanboy, I've been all AMD in my builds for myself, friends and family since I started building rigs in 2000 (so I've built K6-2, Duron, and Athlon XP systems). But I honestly think that the D isn't all that bad (just like the 300As and the Tualatin Celerons - other Celerons that defied the general rule of suckiness in that processor line). I'm going to upgrade/rebuild a Duron system I put together for one of my wife's family members back in 2001, and I seriously debating between the Celeron D/i848 or Sempron A/NF2 combos at Fry's to base the upgrade around. A decent special on the Sempron 3100+ trumps both, of course, but I'm really having a hard time deciding between the two.
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Just to get it out of the way here goes, you Intel fanboy 🙂. Good luck with your upgrade (no mater what brand you decide on).

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
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I don't know of any single channel benchmarks being done on the Celeron D but I wish someone (hint to Anandtech staff) would do an article on what to look out for when doing a budget build. My guess would be between a 5% to 10% hit on average for single channel with a max of possibily 30% on bandwidth heavy apps.
 
Originally posted by: batmanuel
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Felix, you are a flaming Intel fanboy and a dumba$$.

Like the man said check this link:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2139&p=7

AMD 64s and Sempron destroy the Celeron Ds in every test, even in encoding.
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Are you reading the same graphs as I am? Sure the Sempron 3100+ is a beast, but the Celeron D 330 ($89 retail box at Newegg) is neck and neck in that benchmark with the Sempron 2800+ ($107 retail box)at 31fps. The socket A Semprons and Celeron Ds are pretty much tied in most everything I see.

Just wanted to clear that up. And before I get called out as a Intel fanboy, I've been all AMD in my builds for myself, friends and family since I started building rigs in 2000 (so I've built K6-2, Duron, and Athlon XP systems). But I honestly think that the D isn't all that bad (just like the 300As and the Tualatin Celerons - other Celerons that defied the general rule of suckiness in that processor line). I'm going to upgrade/rebuild a Duron system I put together for one of my wife's family members back in 2001, and I seriously debating between the Celeron D/i848 or Sempron A/NF2 combos at Fry's to base the upgrade around. A decent special on the Sempron 3100+ trumps both, of course, but I'm really having a hard time deciding between the two.

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
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Ignore cbehnken hes a flaming amd fanboy and a dumba$$.
 
I had a P4 2.9 and changed to AMD. Picked up 20 fps in Doom 3 and it's cheaper than Intel. I can't believe you haven't been banned yet Felix, all you do is enter every Intel/AMD debate and say how your Extreme Edition is so awesome and how Intel is always > AMD

Listen to me I'm Felix:

"A Celeron 300A is faster than an AMD FX 55 !!!"
 
Originally posted by: batmanuelBut I honestly think that the D isn't all that bad (just like the 300As and the Tualatin Celerons - other Celerons that defied the general rule of suckiness in that processor line). I'm going to upgrade/rebuild a Duron system I put together for one of my wife's family members back in 2001, and I seriously debating between the Celeron D/i848 or Sempron A/NF2 combos at Fry's to base the upgrade around. A decent special on the Sempron 3100+ trumps both, of course, but I'm really having a hard time deciding between the two.
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Past weekend Fry's deals (San Diego), Sempron OEM 3100+ with unknown motherboard $160. Sempron 2600+ OEM with ECS disposable KT333 board $70. Deleron 330 retail (2.66GHz) with ECS disposable 848P board $80. Depending on what your intent is, any of these combos will pick up some performance for the upgrade. For cheap, just get the cheapest. I personally don't think the Sempron 3100 combo was that much of a deal since the CPU can be had for around $110, so $50 for some unknown motherboard.

I try to tread a fine line between FelixDeKat and the Celeron haters. Celeron > any AMD is just not a valid statement, nor is "Celeron is de suxors."

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
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Hmmm, that's a very valid question that some reviewers should answer. Hint hint hint.
 
Originally posted by: Zap

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
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Hmmm, that's a very valid question that some reviewers should answer. Hint hint hint.
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Socket-A AthlonXP has never benefited from dual channel memory.

The original Celly had about 5-15% deficit using single channel 848 compared to dual-channel 865.



 
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: batmanuel
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Felix, you are a flaming Intel fanboy and a dumba$$.

Like the man said check this link:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2139&p=7

AMD 64s and Sempron destroy the Celeron Ds in every test, even in encoding.
Click to expand...

Are you reading the same graphs as I am? Sure the Sempron 3100+ is a beast, but the Celeron D 330 ($89 retail box at Newegg) is neck and neck in that benchmark with the Sempron 2800+ ($107 retail box)at 31fps. The socket A Semprons and Celeron Ds are pretty much tied in most everything I see.

Just wanted to clear that up. And before I get called out as a Intel fanboy, I've been all AMD in my builds for myself, friends and family since I started building rigs in 2000 (so I've built K6-2, Duron, and Athlon XP systems). But I honestly think that the D isn't all that bad (just like the 300As and the Tualatin Celerons - other Celerons that defied the general rule of suckiness in that processor line). I'm going to upgrade/rebuild a Duron system I put together for one of my wife's family members back in 2001, and I seriously debating between the Celeron D/i848 or Sempron A/NF2 combos at Fry's to base the upgrade around. A decent special on the Sempron 3100+ trumps both, of course, but I'm really having a hard time deciding between the two.

BTW, does anyone know of any comparisons between the Sempron A and the Celeron D that use single channel memory test configurations? I'm planning to use the upgrade as an excuse to replace my single stick of 512MB PC2700 with a dual channel 1GB 3200 kit (so I can give my 2500+ Barton a go at 2.2GHz), and I curious as to how bad a performance hit the Celeron D takes when you cut the memory bandwidth in half compared to the Sempron.
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Ignore cbehnken hes a flaming amd fanboy and a dumba$$.
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Ignore FelixTheCat he's a flaming Intel fanboy .
Originally posted by: PsharkJF
Can we just ban him already?
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And I agree here also......
 
Felix take a hike... or ill garauntee that everyone in this thread will vote on your vacation!

The Celeron D's are not bad... on the contrary they are, though they still lose every test compared to the ScktA's competitive, they lose by a MUCH smaller margin than the C's. However saying that Celeron D is better than Athlon anything is a pure and blatent troll, flame, and fanboy statement.

Felix i tell you that if you show us a benchmark where the Pentium's beat the Athlon in every single test do show us.... make sure not to forget the memory performance as there is no phyiscal or theoretical way that Intel can win against an ON DIE memory controller.

I stand by my post before either go for the full blown athlon 64 system or get the DFI board and a 2400+ M with some nice RAM and get that thing around 2.4 2.5Ghz. It will be nice 🙂 !!

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Felix take a hike... or ill garauntee that everyone in this thread will vote on your vacation!

The Celeron D's are not bad... on the contrary they are, though they still lose every test compared to the ScktA's competitive, they lose by a MUCH smaller margin than the C's. However saying that Celeron D is better than Athlon anything is a pure and blatent troll, flame, and fanboy statement.

Felix i tell you that if you show us a benchmark where the Pentium's beat the Athlon in every single test do show us.... make sure not to forget the memory performance as there is no phyiscal or theoretical way that Intel can win against an ON DIE memory controller.

I stand by my post before either go for the full blown athlon 64 system or get the DFI board and a 2400+ M with some nice RAM and get that thing around 2.4 2.5Ghz. It will be nice 🙂 !!

-Kevin
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Sorry Kevin,

If someone disagress with you and stands up for Intel products, you dont have to run off an make ridiculous statements. Go ahead, represent your favorite hardware, but dont be ugly about it. :roll:

-FelixDeKat
 
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Felix take a hike... or ill garauntee that everyone in this thread will vote on your vacation!

The Celeron D's are not bad... on the contrary they are, though they still lose every test compared to the ScktA's competitive, they lose by a MUCH smaller margin than the C's. However saying that Celeron D is better than Athlon anything is a pure and blatent troll, flame, and fanboy statement.

Felix i tell you that if you show us a benchmark where the Pentium's beat the Athlon in every single test do show us.... make sure not to forget the memory performance as there is no phyiscal or theoretical way that Intel can win against an ON DIE memory controller.

I stand by my post before either go for the full blown athlon 64 system or get the DFI board and a 2400+ M with some nice RAM and get that thing around 2.4 2.5Ghz. It will be nice 🙂 !!

-Kevin
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Sorry Kevin,

If someone disagress with you and stands up for Intel products, you dont have to run off an make ridiculous statements. Go ahead, represent your favorite hardware, but dont be ugly about it. :roll:

-FelixDeKat
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Felix, when will you get a clue, its not me that is your nemisis, its you. You need to listen to everyone else AND me. Get a clue and shut up !

 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Felix take a hike... or ill garauntee that everyone in this thread will vote on your vacation!

The Celeron D's are not bad... on the contrary they are, though they still lose every test compared to the ScktA's competitive, they lose by a MUCH smaller margin than the C's. However saying that Celeron D is better than Athlon anything is a pure and blatent troll, flame, and fanboy statement.

Felix i tell you that if you show us a benchmark where the Pentium's beat the Athlon in every single test do show us.... make sure not to forget the memory performance as there is no phyiscal or theoretical way that Intel can win against an ON DIE memory controller.

I stand by my post before either go for the full blown athlon 64 system or get the DFI board and a 2400+ M with some nice RAM and get that thing around 2.4 2.5Ghz. It will be nice 🙂 !!

-Kevin
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Sorry Kevin,

If someone disagress with you and stands up for Intel products, you dont have to run off an make ridiculous statements. Go ahead, represent your favorite hardware, but dont be ugly about it. :roll:

-FelixDeKat
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Felix, when will you get a clue, its not me that is your nemisis, its you. You need to listen to everyone else AND me. Get a clue and shut up !
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Markfw900,

You are certainly one of this most annoying trolls Ive met in a long time. You lied about me in one thread, I called you on it, and you refused to apologize. And you simply cant help putting your two cents in here and there, and when people respond to it, you say nothing.

Youre the one with the problem.

 
Well tell me where i said a ridiculous statement. Everything i said up there is valid as far as i know. Now like i said stop flaming and trolling and stuff and go away or provide some backup for you statements or everyone here will vote on your vacation.

-Kevin
 
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