Your first sentence is true, the rest, well? to put it mildly, is just silly. Just read the Price/Performance Analysis page on the ?AMD Sempron: A Fresh Take on Budget Computing? review.
Your first sentence is true, the rest, well? to put it mildly, is just silly. Just read the Price/Performance Analysis page on the ?AMD Sempron: A Fresh Take on Budget Computing? review.
Where did I mention a Sempron? I said the Celeron D 2.8 and AXP 2800+ are ~= in price and performance.
Actually now that I look at my post I didn't specify AXP 2800+, but that is what I meant.
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I don't know about that OF. Reading anandsreview will show you that. But not this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...display/celeron-d.html
Many more tests.
Meh..
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...display/celeron-d.html
Many more tests.
Meh..
Dont know. I dont pay much attention to Celeron stuff. I glanced at Anands article, and it showed them to be ~= to AXP. I usually trust Anands reviews, and didn't much reason to look elsewhere.
edit: Got to teh article...
Yeah, it doesn't look as good in that review. Meh...
Just because it is a Sempron review doesn?t mean there where no AXPs in the review.
If you looked at the link I provided (obviously you didn?t) you would see that AXPs (up to 2600+) where also tested. Considering the AXP 2800+ (that you want to compare to) would have a faster core than an AXP 2600+ or Sempron 2800+, more L2 cache than the Sempron 2800+ and is on the same FSB as both it should be obvious that a AXP 2800+ should perform even better.
Also, I did know that you meant an AXP 2800+, that?s what made it silly to begin with :roll:
Dont get your panties in such a bunch!
Geez. All I did was post a simple answer to
"Ok, so what have you heard that was good about a Celeron D?'
It was just a reply to say that the performance is similar to a 2800+ for~ the same price and it has improved considerably from the previous gen Celeron. That's all. It wasn't to compare to a Sempron or every other CPU on the planet. Please excuse me for not reading every article on the 'net before posting a reply. I dont have much interest in the Celeron and dont follow it in any detail.
Sorry if I wasted your (and my) time with a reply to your post.
And here is a few
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: back at ya!
Oldfart, the point is you are spreading misinformation by saying ?that the performance is similar to a 2800+ for~ the same price?. The performance is NOT similar to the AXP 2800+. I know the article I linked to did not show a AXP 2800+, but it is not hard to see the Celeron 335 loosing quite often to either a Sempron running almost 100MHz slower with half the L2 cache or a AXP running almost 200MHz slower with the same L2 cache (compared to the AXP 2800+).
BTW did you notice the ?wating... waiting... waiting (crickets sounds) ........thats a lot ? in my original post after the question ?Ok, so what have you heard that was good about a Celeron D? ?. Did it ever occur to you that I was being light hearted about this whole thing? If you wish, you can take a close look at what I have posted and show me where I am wrong I will retract that comment, if not then we can just let everyone decide for themselves what to believe.
BTW did you notice the ?wating... waiting... waiting (crickets sounds) ........thats a lot ? in my original post after the question ?Ok, so what have you heard that was good about a Celeron D? ?. Did it ever occur to you that I was being light hearted about this whole thing? If you wish, you can take a close look at what I have posted and show me where I am wrong I will retract that comment, if not then we can just let everyone decide for themselves what to believe.
Very stupid of you no chosing this athlon 64 combo. This is the best you can buy with 300. Why getting a lower system if you can get an A64 for about the same price?
Well. according to The anadtech article here, it is about the same performance. Also prices are about the same.
That is what I was going by. It was already pointed out that other reviews show more of a gap and I previously acknowledged that, Right? Why are you harping on it?
My point is many people dont realize that the new Celeron is not the big time dog like the last gen. I've seen posts that claim that a 1.6 Duron will beat it. THAT is spreading misinformation.
That is what I was going by. It was already pointed out that other reviews show more of a gap and I previously acknowledged that, Right? Why are you harping on it?
My point is many people dont realize that the new Celeron is not the big time dog like the last gen. I've seen posts that claim that a 1.6 Duron will beat it. THAT is spreading misinformation.
This article does not show an AXP 2800+ either, in fact it shows about the same thing as the article I linked to (with the obvious exception of not having the Sempron listed). So how did you extrapolate that a AXP 2800+ has the same performance?
My intention is to provide the OP with accurate information (what we should all be trying to do when trying to help some one out). The thing is you keep refering to the celeron 335 and the AXP 2800+ as similar without good reason. While there might be a few situations where this could be true it is much more likely that a AXP 2800+ will be far superior to the Celeron 335 in many things. Besides the OP mentioned he did not play games very much and in every non-game benchmark the celeron gets beat by the AXP 2600+, it even gets beat by the AXP 2200+ in some of those.
Misinformation is misinformation no matter if it was unintentional or the ramblings of some fanboi. Unintentional misinformation is often more believable to both the person writing it and the person reading it, and if I am the person writing it I would want to know and I thought you would to. This is also the reason that I said I would retract my comment if I was proven wrong.
I have no dispute with you, I am just trying to provide usefull information to the OP.
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Alright, how about some useful information for this guy. All this bickering is probably scaring him away.
Got a Fry's near you? This from weekend ad in San Diego: You can get a P4 2.4A retail box with a motherboard (I think ECS i848 chipset) for $109. They have 512MB PC3200 for $60 AR. That leaves about $110 left for a budget case and video card (taking into account CA sales tax), which is attainable. This gives you the P4 you want and people will stop mocking you for choosing a Celeron.
BTW, I currently have one P4 2.4A@3GHz and one Celeron D 320@3.6GHz, two Athlon XP-M 2400+ 35W (2.2GHz and 2.4GHz), a P4 2.53@3.33GHz... and many more. The CPUs listed are actually in running machines. I'm happy with all of them. Two things of note, first these are all "budget" CPUs and second these are all overclocked a decent amount. Budget performance appeals to me.
Got a Fry's near you? This from weekend ad in San Diego: You can get a P4 2.4A retail box with a motherboard (I think ECS i848 chipset) for $109. They have 512MB PC3200 for $60 AR. That leaves about $110 left for a budget case and video card (taking into account CA sales tax), which is attainable. This gives you the P4 you want and people will stop mocking you for choosing a Celeron.
BTW, I currently have one P4 2.4A@3GHz and one Celeron D 320@3.6GHz, two Athlon XP-M 2400+ 35W (2.2GHz and 2.4GHz), a P4 2.53@3.33GHz... and many more. The CPUs listed are actually in running machines. I'm happy with all of them. Two things of note, first these are all "budget" CPUs and second these are all overclocked a decent amount. Budget performance appeals to me.
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Originally posted by: oldfart
Dont know. I dont pay much attention to Celeron stuff. I glanced at Anands article, and it showed them to be ~= to AXP. I usually trust Anands reviews, and didn't much reason to look elsewhere.
edit: Got to teh article...
Yeah, it doesn't look as good in that review. Meh...
Close enough for govt work
The celeron is a better chip than the past but I'd still place inferior to AXP by just a smidgen. However no one should be looking at either IMO when just a few bucks more there is a 2.26B northwood or a A642800. For overclcokers these two are awesome options.
So, which is better the Celeron D or the AXP? HEHEHE :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
I crack myself up.
Hey, it's all about the money. I just got a Celeron 325 retail w/ ECS mobo at guess where for $70. Sure, they have the Sempron 2400+ combo for $10 less, but I need a Celeron to test a second motherboard to see if it's good. Who cares about celeron vs. sempron or XP. "It's the economy (money), stupid."
I crack myself up.
Hey, it's all about the money. I just got a Celeron 325 retail w/ ECS mobo at guess where for $70. Sure, they have the Sempron 2400+ combo for $10 less, but I need a Celeron to test a second motherboard to see if it's good. Who cares about celeron vs. sempron or XP. "It's the economy (money), stupid."
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Don't be a Celeron hater. There may be reasons for the decision, such as bupkus needing the Celeron for testing purposes. ActiveX has a limited budget but wants a P4, presumably for performance reasons. Now, you can say that A64 would be a better choice, but how about this for an upgrade path for those with limited budgets...
SCENARIO: Has X amount of total cash for complete system. Allocated $80 or less for motherboard and CPU. What to get...
CHOICE #1: Socket A Sempron with motherboard. Upgrade path would be better motherboard to overclock socket A Sempron to something better or faster CPU on original motherboard with 333MHz FSB max, AXP 3000+ fastest "official" CPU on a non-overclocker board. Still stuck with socket A platform, not higher performance A64.
CHOICE #2: Socket 478 Deleron with motherboard. Upgrade path would be better motherboard to overclock Deleron to something better or faster CPU on original motherboard with 800MHz FSB max, P4 3.6C fastest "official" CPU on a non-overclocker board.
Oh well, whatever. I personally like all my budget processors, be they Deleron, AXP-M, P4A, Duron, whatever. Oh yeah, haven't actually laid hand on a Sempron yet, but if the 3100+ drops to $100...
There may be reasons for the decision, such as bupkus needing the Celeron for testing purposes. ActiveX has a limited budget but wants a P4, presumably for performance reasons. Now, you can say that A64 would be a better choice, but how about this for an upgrade path for those with limited budgets...SCENARIO: Has X amount of total cash for complete system. Allocated $80 or less for motherboard and CPU. What to get...
CHOICE #1: Socket A Sempron with motherboard. Upgrade path would be better motherboard to overclock socket A Sempron to something better or faster CPU on original motherboard with 333MHz FSB max, AXP 3000+ fastest "official" CPU on a non-overclocker board. Still stuck with socket A platform, not higher performance A64.
CHOICE #2: Socket 478 Deleron with motherboard. Upgrade path would be better motherboard to overclock Deleron to something better or faster CPU on original motherboard with 800MHz FSB max, P4 3.6C fastest "official" CPU on a non-overclocker board.
Oh well, whatever. I personally like all my budget processors, be they Deleron, AXP-M, P4A, Duron, whatever. Oh yeah, haven't actually laid hand on a Sempron yet, but if the 3100+ drops to $100...
Zap, if I understand you correctly and it where that simple, I would agree. The thing is you have left out a lot of variables that could make this not so clear cut.
If there were only an $80 budget for CPU and MB then the Athlon XP would more likely fit that budget better with higher average performance across different types of apps. Also if we where to say half that budget went towards the MB it could be debated if a $40 socket 478 MB would be able to accept the fastest P4 available. Even if it could, with such a low budget to begin with how long would it be before a CPU upgrade would occur. Once a platform is phased out the fastest CPUs for that platform usually become harder and harder to find at reasonable prices, if at all. This is not to say that the Athlons socket ?A? doesn?t have its own drawbacks or share similar concerns especially with regards to future upgrades. In my opinion when dealing with such a low budget that it is better to get the most for your money at the time, than to plan on replacing components before you even get them.
The bottom line is we all recommend and buy components based on our own opinion and that opinion may or may not fit the needs of others. It really is up to them to decide all we can do (or maybe I should say should do) is try to provide them with the correct information to make a knowledgeable decision. So I appreciate your valid counter point for the Intel option.
If there were only an $80 budget for CPU and MB then the Athlon XP would more likely fit that budget better with higher average performance across different types of apps. Also if we where to say half that budget went towards the MB it could be debated if a $40 socket 478 MB would be able to accept the fastest P4 available. Even if it could, with such a low budget to begin with how long would it be before a CPU upgrade would occur. Once a platform is phased out the fastest CPUs for that platform usually become harder and harder to find at reasonable prices, if at all. This is not to say that the Athlons socket ?A? doesn?t have its own drawbacks or share similar concerns especially with regards to future upgrades. In my opinion when dealing with such a low budget that it is better to get the most for your money at the time, than to plan on replacing components before you even get them.
The bottom line is we all recommend and buy components based on our own opinion and that opinion may or may not fit the needs of others. It really is up to them to decide all we can do (or maybe I should say should do) is try to provide them with the correct information to make a knowledgeable decision. So I appreciate your valid counter point for the Intel option.
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Thank you. That's why I said "I personally like all my budget processors, be they Deleron, AXP-M, P4A, Duron, whatever." Good that we both understand the value of having options. :thumbsup:
I feel that knowing the weaknesses of hardware may be as important as knowing its strengths. For instance a weakness of the Deleron may be that it is not a Northwood, thus making it not compatible with older motherboards that may not support the voltages necessary. This is more important information for someone wanting to upgrade than saying "get the P4 2.26 because it is better." Both statements may be true.
I have owned or looked into the motherboards that I had in mind when typing the previous message. I probably should have mentioned that these are Fry's specials. The socket A board uses the VIA KT333 chipset, which doesn't support the fastest 200MHz FSB. Also (important for someone on a budget) it only has two channel sound. The P4 board offering uses the Intel 848P chipset which supports the highest 800MHz FSB. It does have 6 channel onboard sound. Only major feature it is missing (besides overclocking features) is lack of dual channel RAM support.
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Ya know, I really really like the value that the Deleron I own represents, but the above statement is just, uh, shall we say VERY ACCURATE in stating that though it does not represent the ultimate performance level of a given system the actual MHz of the slowest Deleron at 2400 is an equal or greater value than the highest actual MHz of any "Athlon" branded product.
Agreed. That thing calling itself fellox seems to be stricken with alzheimer's or something and every time it has a seizure it wakes up and blurts out another pearl straight out of its delirious mind. There is absolutely no point to pay any attention to it. This feline animal needs to be put down for good.
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OMG the spell checkers are here! lol
Ok here it is again for the spelling police:
Celeron D > Athlon anyting :thumbsup:
Thank you, come again.
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