UpdateNvidia GeForce GTX Titan Z postponed again

[Vesku]

Did Titan itself ever qualify for Quadro drivers or it used regular GeForce drivers? Because that same excuse (Pro card that can game) was touted when Titan premier at $1,000.

No, so far the Titan series are gaming cards with better CUDA performance than the regular x80 series. The professional workstation GPU status quo remains relatively unchanged, still pay more for less GPU power but with extra software supported drivers. Anyone calling Titans professional cards should instead just say "CUDA card" or some such.

 

[Mondozei]

Since the GTX 880 looks like a disappointment judging from the leaks, they could just make the Titan Z into a 790, essentially, but with more VRAM and lower the price than the current robbery.

Also, since they are giving themselves ample of time, until the end of June, they have the time to do that(and who says they couldn't delay it a few more months if need be, they've already did it twice).

So, the new, much more 790-esque Titan Z would essentially be Nvidia's performance crown with a more reasonable price and whose launch would coincide with that of the GTX 800 series to soften the inevitable blow of disappointment among Nvidia's fanboys of the gimped GTX 880 card.

We know that a full GK110 core is faster than a full Hawaii core when you overclock it under adequate cooling. So it will end up being faster than 295X2 if they give it much better cooling, very high overclocks, and a more reasonable price.

Because who really bought the excuse of "driver optimizations" to begin with? Congrats to AMD to forcing Nvidia back to the drawing board. This is what competition should be all about. Now I just hope they can do the same with the R9-300 series coming out this fall on 28 nm, by limiting Nvidia's well-known greed and prevent them from overcharging for a mediocre card that GTX 880 will most likely be, like GTX 680 was over GTX 580.

 

[RussianSensation]

Unless you are made of $, or need this card for semi-professional and scientific work, its price will forever make it laughable as a gaming card. This is Titan repeat all over again. With how quickly GPUs advance and the rate of their depreciation, for any rational person it will not be possible to reasonably justify a $3,000 gaming GPU, even if it somehow ended up even 10% faster than R9 295X2. Also, you could still buy 2x 295X2s for the same price negating any advantage Titan Z may have had!!

Some say that having a GPU with water cooling is a negative but to me that's a positive - lower temperatures and noise levels in a dual slot design. I'd rather prefer the Titan Z to be a water-cooled dual-slot card, than a triple slot air cooled card. The success of AIO in the CPU space is actually a testament that moving to water cooling for GPUs will either force air coolers to improve significantly (NH-D15) or result in PC gamers benefiting from cooler and quieter GPUs. +++ in my books.

Further delays of Titan Z only exacerbate this card's horrendous product positioning as a 5K gaming card. Next year we should be able to buy dual GM210s for $1,500, a setup which will probably pummel this card by 50-60% (even more in 4K). Lastly, lower power consumption on this level of card is irrelevant for high-end PC gamers. It's more of a marketing exercise for NV to showcase their ASIC binning abilities and the performance/watt of Kepler architecture. But with Maxwell's GTX880 less than 7 months away, who cares about Kepler's performance/watt anymore? NV should have never marketed this as a gaming card and then they could have priced it at $4,000-6,000 and none of us would care. At $3,000, and marketed as a gaming card, it shows a certain level of arrogance, reminiscent of the Titan's pricing, that may actually create some negative publicity for NV in the PC gaming space.

 

[Keysplayr]

With a price difference of 1,500$ lolll. You have your clear winner.

Now you say it's back and fourth? Have you forgotten about the price. :|

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Anyway, it's getting off topic

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Back on topic, sucks that it's gonna be delayed. I wanted to see a flop.

What do you mean NOW I say it's back and fourth. You've shown GTX Titan Black SLI and 780TI SLI. Not TitanZ. It's obviously being revamped somehow whether it's cooler and higher clocks are unknown. What I said was, TitanZ will most likely be faster than 295x2. Please do not place any more words in my mouth, thanks.

 

[KaRLiToS]

What do you mean NOW I say it's back and fourth. You've shown GTX Titan Black SLI and 780TI SLI. Not TitanZ. It's obviously being revamped somehow whether it's cooler and higher clocks are unknown. .

Don't expect the Titan Z to be faster than Titan Black in SLI. Like I said, and you don't want to see the truth, two GK110 chips on the same PCB on air with single fan won't be faster than two seperate PCB each with a fan.

LOGIC 101.

What I said was, TitanZ will most likely be faster than 295x2. Please do not place any more words in my mouth, thanks.

Even if it's 10% (or even 20%) faster, it doesn't justify the 3000$ stupid price tag.

But... you know...whatever dude.

 

[Keysplayr]

Don't expect the Titan Z to be faster than Titan Black in SLI. Like I said, and you don't want to see the truth, two GK110 chips on the same PCB on air with single fan won't be faster than two seperate PCB each with a fan.

LOGIC 101.



Even if it's 10% (or even 20%) faster, it doesn't justify the 3000$ stupid price tag.

But... you know...whatever dude.

Yeah, you keep saying that, LOL. It's all ya got at this point. When in doubt, re-state the price. I got ya. I'm agreeing the price is way out there. Aside from that obviousness, I'm talking performance. And yes. Whatever.

 

[Techhog]

What do you mean NOW I say it's back and fourth. You've shown GTX Titan Black SLI and 780TI SLI. Not TitanZ. It's obviously being revamped somehow whether it's cooler and higher clocks are unknown. What I said was, TitanZ will most likely be faster than 295x2. Please do not place any more words in my mouth, thanks.

Well, you said it'll be faster. That's enough proof for me!

Seriously, put up your information or shut up. At best, it's a 50/50 shot at this point. Every single rumor so far puts it slower, so to say that it's faster is pure speculation. Justify your point with more than "NVIDIA R TEH BESTEST" or stop talking. You can't say "most likely" if you don't have anything concrete to back it up, especially when there are rumors that cards have already shipped.

 

[cytg111]

I think its marvelous, competing companies taking turns at pole position - a consumers dream (and one of the rare instances where the free market actually works)

 

[Gikaseixas]

They were surprised by the monster performance of AMD's dual GPU. They know that if they released at the originally announced speeds,Titan Z would just get rapped period. Panic mode button was pressed and because they positioned it on the very top and that it would cost us 3k they really need to produce something faster at all costs. Nvidia is pulling all the stops so they can justify the premium price.

 

[Lonyo]

Why even compare the 295 to the Titan Z?
There's no point.

No one is compares or would compare a $150 card to a $300 card, so why compare a $1500 card to a $3000 card?

 

[sontin]

Even nVidia's Vaporware is buyable unlike stuff from AMD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=linustechtips

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[Wild Thing]

With the volume these cards will sell in NVidia could afford to retail them at 295x2's price($1499 or even less)no matter how much they cost to make,just to burn AMD's ass.
I suspect that's what they'll do.The "Fastest Card" crown has got to be worth more to them than the profit off a few thousand Titan Z surely?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

With the volume these cards will sell in NVidia could afford to retail them at 295x2's price($1499 or even less)no matter how much they cost to make,just to burn AMD's ass.
I suspect that's what they'll do.The "Fastest Card" crown has got to be worth more to them than the profit off a few thousand Titan Z surely?

Amd can afford to sell the 295x2 for less than $1500 I would assume. I don't think they will have to though because I don't see the titan z being faster.

 

[KaRLiToS]

With the volume these cards will sell in NVidia could afford to retail them at 295x2's price($1499 or even less)no matter how much they cost to make,just to burn AMD's ass.
I suspect that's what they'll do.The "Fastest Card" crown has got to be worth more to them than the profit off a few thousand Titan Z surely?

I agree with that, at this price, my opinion would COMPLETELY change honestly.

Why even compare the 295 to the Titan Z?
There's no point.

No one is compares or would compare a $150 card to a $300 card, so why compare a $1500 card to a $3000 card?

Everyone including review sites compare the 1050$ Titan versus the 599$ R9 290x and still, the 290x is winning (issh)

Even nVidia's Vaporware is buyable unlike stuff from AMD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=linustechtips

:sneaky:

LOL :awe:

 

[Gikaseixas]

Even nVidia's Vaporware is buyable unlike stuff from AMD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=linustechtips

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OMG, lol

 

[Silverforce11]

Even nVidia's Vaporware is buyable unlike stuff from AMD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=linustechtips

:sneaky:

LOL $3,999

"Embrace supercomputing power with the ZOTAC GeForce GTX TITAN Z for unrivaled gaming performance and superior visual realism"

"New GPU Boost 2.0 technology enables the ZOTAC GeForce GTX TITAN Z to dynamically boost performance with higher average clocks than previously available for that extra performance push in demanding gaming situations"

Well, there goes the BS Pro card argument. Aimed at special gamers who have too much money and not enough sense.

 

[RussianSensation]

LOL $3,999

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NV is slowly raising prices at all levels. GTX780Ti at $699 is a $150-200 increase over $499-549 historical price levels. If NV targets a dual-GPU flagship at $3K, a single flagship Maxwell 20nm GM210 will be $999 and Titan replacement at $1,499? If NV can sell thousands of overpriced "professional" cards to their intended target market, as long as prices of gaming GPUs don't rise next generation, I am cool with their overpriced halo card. However, if NV is on a path to keep establishing newer and higher price brackets, then this is a very concerning development. Let's hope AMD continues to be competitive next generation to keep NV's greed at bay.

 

[parvadomus]

Yeah, you keep saying that, LOL. It's all ya got at this point. When in doubt, re-state the price. I got ya. I'm agreeing the price is way out there. Aside from that obviousness, I'm talking performance. And yes. Whatever.

Nvidia got buttkicked hard with the 295x2 they never expected that level of performance. The TitanZ looks like a mediocre product at that price point, compared to the AMD´s offer. The worst thing is that the price is already set. The only way for Nvidia to sell their garbage is to make a new cooler (water) and call it GTX790, and ditch the FailZ.
But please keep posting, your arguments are very funny. :biggrin:

 

[VulgarDisplay]

http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=64252

This thread showed up in my twitter feed. Titan z postponed indefinitely?

 

[dn7309]

here is also an article from tweak town speculating the stillborn Titan Z is delayed indefinitely

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37611...-gpu-may-have-delayed-indefinately/index.html

 

[Lonyo]

Even nVidia's Vaporware is buyable unlike stuff from AMD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=linustechtips

:sneaky:

Newegg seems to have 52 295X2's in stock, with 35 of those being $1500 and the rest between $1530 and $1600
:sneaky:

 

[Kenmitch]

here is also an article from tweak town speculating the stillborn Titan Z is delayed indefinitely

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37611...-gpu-may-have-delayed-indefinately/index.html

That sucks if true. I was looking forward to the reviews.

 

[Mondozei]

I think its marvelous, competing companies taking turns at pole position - a consumers dream (and one of the rare instances where the free market actually works)

Something even more marvelous would be a third company. I know it's more or less a pipe dream but if Intel released a desktop GPU that'd be pretty cool. They are betting the farm on the iGPU lately, so much as to essentially remove the need for a budget dGPU for many people.

But even if Intel got into the ring, we're still looking at an oligopoly at best.
The market would be even healther if we saw 5-6 players minimum. Two players are really the bare minimum and nothing much to celebrate. A third player would be unlikely but most welcome.

 

[Mondozei]

P.S. If Titan Z died then that means that a 790 is almost certainly coming. Nvidia are not going to allow 295X2 to be the fastest card out there, period.

And if the Titan Z died then I say good riddance. Should never have been thought of and a 790 should have been their card from their getgo.
Now, of course, we don't know for sure if it is cancelled. One can hope, however.

 

[Cloudfire777]

P.S. If Titan Z died then that means that a 790 is almost certainly coming.

Take your pick:

Option #1:
GK210 (Titan Z was GK110) is already being built....
EVGA rep hinted earlier that a new Kepler card was coming soon (Not Titan Z)...

Option #2:
Things are going so well with GM204 they said "the hell with this" and just pushed Maxwell launch forward....
The water cooler kit mentioned here, could that be a similar approach as AMD chose to use with R9 295X2....?

GM204 WATER COOLED PLUNGER

SFCBGA40X40-M49X49-0.8-1745 WATER COOLING LID (GM204-GB3-256), 10102028040

https://www.zauba.com/import-gm204-hs-code.html


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