UpdateNvidia GeForce GTX Titan Z postponed again

[Keysplayr]

You asked what the benefits are. You got em. whether or not its worth the price is another matter. For a research scientist it might be. For the enthusiast gamer, its unlikely.

 

[PPB]

Please someone tell me you are not serious about even mentioning perf/watt on a halox2 product at a 3k pricepoint. Or is anyone willing to dish 3k on a Geforce product (gotta bold it nowadays so people realize this is really for gaming) without having a 1 kW power supply already?

Heck, even if you are a professional wanting to use this, you would already have gone for a triple titan solution, 1.5x perf for the same price. You can even UC/UV those 3 titans to spank this Titan Z if you really care about perf/watt :awe:


They might as well delay it ad-eternum and then pretend it never existed in the first place.

 

[Keysplayr]

So you want to be lied to?

 

[altairauditore]

I think the Titan Z should remain an air-cooled card. Only.. drop the price a bit. The three slots will accommodate taller heatsinks, and this should be able each heatsink to dissipate enough heat to be able to run a GK110 at ~1Ghz. Looking at the 780ti cooler, quite a bit of it is empty.. and the actual heatsink it not as big as expected... so the taller heatsink should help.

It's not "clean" to have 2 AIO water coolers for the R9 290X2 Crossfire.. so people who use it for compute might actually benefit because it is air-cooled.. so no radiators and pipes and stuff.. Especially when running 2 in the same case. Air-cooling is neater and much more reliable.

I'm no engineer, but IMO Nvidia should try to use some hybrid-axial fan. Tall heatsinks... a centrifugal fan will only blow over the higher part of the fins.. while I think an axial caters better to the lower part.

 

[altairauditore]

Oh.. and I forgot.. Nvidia WILL 99% bin the GK110's for this card. The fully unlocked kepler (2880 cores) has been out for quite some time.. so Nvidia has good die's.

 

[The Alias]

People with deep pockets will buy whatever they want. Deal with it

Not necessarily. People with deep pockets tend to get that way because they are frugal. As it is right now, Titanz has no market whatsoever.

Because of it's triple-slot nature and price point at $3000, Titanz offers absolutely no benefit over the titan black for developers. They could easily buy a higher capacity power supply with the $1000+ worth of savings (taxes), they're not going to keep the cards long enough for the titanz to make up the rest of it's extra cost via the reduced power bill, the triple slot cooler pretty much negates the for factor, and not to mention, with 2 titan blacks you'd have higher productivity!

Outside of a few oddball scenarios, the only people who'd buy this card are the geforce fanboys and fools who don't think for themselves. Maybe with this new delay Nvidia will find a way to fix that.

 

[parvadomus]

Nvidia is trying to prevent TitanZ DOA. However I dont know how will they surpass 295X with that cooler. It's just an embarrasing situation for them.

 

[DiogoDX]

Gibbo from OcUK said he have the card in stock. Probably Nvidia is still tweaking clocks/drivers.

Just remember the card will be tested in 4K against 295X2 and if a site use a SST monitor the result will be like this: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2381892

So maybe is just a driver question.

 

[Grooveriding]

This card is a joke at this point. It has one superior metric going for it, better perf/w. It will be slower, run hotter and cost twice the price compared to the 295X2.

Obviously it's been delayed to try and minimize how bad it's going to look as much as possible.

My guess is reviewers do not get samples to help downplay how underwhelming it's going to be, similar to Titan Black.

 

[moonbogg]

I kind of miss single slot cards. Man I loved my 8800GT's. Those were so great. I think Nvidia is in a uniquely tight spot with this one. Its not all that often that a card debuts at twice the cost of the competition and then gets caught with its pants down. They will figure something out. And yeah, it's like a soap opera.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Outside of a few oddball scenarios, the only people who'd buy this card are the geforce fanboys and fools who don't think for themselves. Maybe with this new delay Nvidia will find a way to fix that.

:awe:

 

[Enigmoid]

It's the same GPU. It can't be more efficient. It will be the same. You can downclock any GPU. Remember they are doubling the ram as well.

The 690 used way less power than 680 SLI for almost the same performance.

 

[KaRLiToS]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...force-gtx-titan-z-available-in-coming-months/

Nvidia Corp. late on Thursday made the first official comment regarding availability of its dual-GPU flagship graphics card, the GeForce GTX Titan Z. The company reassured its investors and financial analysts that the product would be available in the second quarter of its fiscal year, but did not provide any exact dates.
“At the very high end, we announced our newest flagship GPU, the GeForce GTX Titan Z,” said Chris Evenden, the director of investor relations at Nvidia, during a conference call with financial analysts and investors. “This is the highest performance graphics card we have ever designed. The Titan Z will please both PC enthusiasts and CUDA developers and will be available in Q2.”
Nvidia’s second quarter lasts from May till late July, so, the company gives a rather broad window when it intends to start selling the product.

KitGuru Says: Keep in mind that typically the companies do announce more or less precise launch timeframes when they have a clear understanding about the start of volume sales. Therefore, if the GeForce GTX Titan Z had been ready to go, Nvidia would have announced a more specific release dates (e.g., “in the coming weeks&#8221.

 

[Kenmitch]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...force-gtx-titan-z-available-in-coming-months/

Interesting....Leaves lot's of time to speculate the reason for the delay.

Out of box experience of 295x2 way higher than anticipated?

Yield issues with cbips that'll make the cut? Low enough voltage to meet clocks for clarification.

 

[nitromullet]

Interesting....Leaves lot's of time to speculate the reason for the delay.

Out of box experience of 295x2 way higher than anticipated?

Yield issues with cbips that'll make the cut? Low enough voltage to meet clocks for clarification.

It's probably more due to performance compared to the 295X2. Given Hawaii's performance vs GK110 in general, it's hard to imagine that dual GK110 on air can really compete with dual Hawaii on water.

I have mixed feelings about a reference water cooler. I guess it was inevitable, but I really hope we don't start seeing them on single gpu cards anytime soon. The AIB partner boards have clearly shown that a noisy, poor performing air cooler like the reference R9 290(x) design isn't necessary, and neither is water.

 

[3DVagabond]

Possibly, nVidia was really really surprised by the TDP of the 295X2. Looking at it, without samples in hand, it looks like a 375W TDP card. Then they get hit with a 500W-550W fire-breathing monster. nVidia can tout efficiency all they want to, GK110 is not going to match Hawaii at a power deficit of ~150W, and a cooler (and possibly even PCB) that was designed to handle a 375W card isn't going to take them where they need to go.

This is sounding like a major delay just giving sometime in Q2 for release. Especially when you consider the original announcement was on the 11th hour before release. If they release it @ $3000 (or anything even close to that) and it's not (appreciably?) faster than the 295X2, it'll be a complete fail. Full DP is BS. Tahiti has been full DP since day one and it wasn't worth $50 more than GK104, Never mind 2X the price.

 

[ams23]

GK110 is not going to match Hawaii at a power deficit of ~150W

And yet GTX 780 Ti in SLI match/exceed 295X2 in Crysis 3 while consuming 130w less power under load: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36343866&postcount=12 . Granted, this is just one game, but if GTX Titan-Z is even close in performance to GTX 780 Ti SLI (which it should be), then it will be close in performance to 295X2, and it will obviously consume way less power too.

This is sounding like a major delay just giving sometime in Q2 for release.

Don't be so dramatic. A delay of a few weeks is irrelevant for such a niche card.

 

[dn7309]

Titan Z = Stillborn

 

[Lepton87]

And yet GTX 780 Ti in SLI match/exceed 295X2 in Crysis 3 while consuming 130w less power under load: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36343866&postcount=12 .

Nice cherry-picking!

 

[Kenmitch]

Titan Z = Stillborn

Maybe in ICU to be fare.

I'm leaning toward initial announcement was rain on AMD's parade and somewhat premature.

 

[ams23]

Not necessarily. People with deep pockets tend to get that way because they are frugal.

Oh come on. You think young people with money get that way because they are "frugal"?

As it is right now, Titanz has no market whatsoever.

Titan-Z will obviously cater to an extremely niche market. The purpose is obviously to have a performance-competitive dual GPU card without requiring water cooling or insanely high power consumption.

That said, it will be interesting to see what comes out of the claims that "Unlike traditional [air-cooled] dual-GPU cards, Titan Z’s twin GPUs are tuned to run at the same clock speed, and with dynamic power balancing. So neither GPU creates a performance bottleneck".

 

[ams23]

Nice cherry-picking!

That is the only game-specific performance vs. power consumption data in the Anandtech review.

 

[wand3r3r]

It's obvious what happened.

NV was planning to royally milk the GK110 once again. They saw the 290x and the pathetic reference cooler and made an assumption that 295x2 will be cut back to fit in the thermal restrictions of some pathetic reference cooler again.

They wanted to make the "fastest" card again and assumed they can just drop two cards on one board and put 3x the price (580) on it and try weakly justify it by mentioning DP while really just milking the consumers (why 50% more then two titans = same thing?).

They got caught with their pants down and are desperately trying to eek out more performance, plus they would have probably got very negative reviews since GK110 sli and 4k seems to be lacking and would have actually been slower then the 295x2.

I'm sure they are just trying to fix SLI and bump the clocks just enough to beat the 295x2 by a little to claim "fastest" and double the price. GK110 should easily manage to slightly beat the 295x2 but they have to raise the clocks/voltages/thermals/driver fixes.

What's odd is the 295x2 is roughly double last gen high end and NV has managed to make such an absurd price gouge that the 295x2 looks like a deal. I'm still very unimpressed at $1500 GPUs, much less the crazy $3k.

 

[Vesku]

Perhaps they are trying to give enough of a gap between their initial Titan Z advertising as a gaming card and its launch so that they can launch it with more professional focused marketing? If they allow workstation drivers to run on it that will go a long way to providing Titan Z a niche.

 

[Techhog]

Perhaps they are trying to give enough of a gap between their initial Titan Z advertising as a gaming card and its launch so that they can launch it with more professional focused marketing? If they allow workstation drivers to run on it that will go a long way to providing Titan Z a niche.

Making it work as a WS card would be undercutting themselves too much.