UpdateNvidia GeForce GTX Titan Z postponed again

[The Alias]

Perhaps they are trying to give enough of a gap between their initial Titan Z advertising as a gaming card and its launch so that they can launch it with more professional focused marketing? If they allow workstation drivers to run on it that will go a long way to providing Titan Z a niche.

Unless they block those drivers from titanz they are still left with a nicheless market

 

[ams23]

The purpose of Titan-Z is not to carve out a niche for itself. The purpose is to bring to market a very high performance single [dual die] graphics card that does not require watercooling hardware, does not have insanely high power consumption, has very high single and double precision performance and programmability, provides better dynamic power balancing between each GPU, and can be used in Quad-SLI as a pair. If it were not for AMD's X2 product, Titan-Z may not even exist, who knows. It is obvious that Titan and Titan Black will outsell this very niche product.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The purpose of Titan-Z is not to carve out a niche for itself. The purpose is to bring to market a very high performance single [dual die] graphics card that does not require watercooling hardware, does not have insanely high power consumption, has very high single and double precision performance and programmability, provides better dynamic power balancing between each GPU, and can be used in Quad-SLI as a pair. If it were not for AMD's X2 product, Titan-Z may not even exist, who knows. It is obvious that Titan and Titan Black will outsell this very niche product.

If this thing is an open air cooler you also get to witness a supernova in close proximity. I would imagine it will have very similar thermals to the 7990 and we saw how well two of those do in the same case.

 

[KaRLiToS]

The purpose of Titan-Z is not to carve out a niche for itself. The purpose is to bring to market a very high performance single [dual die] graphics card that does not require watercooling hardware, does not have insanely high power consumption, has very high single and double precision performance and programmability, provides better dynamic power balancing between each GPU, and can be used in Quad-SLI as a pair. If it were not for AMD's X2 product, Titan-Z may not even exist, who knows. It is obvious that Titan and Titan Black will outsell this very niche product.

It seems like I'm listening to a Nvidia representant.

Don't be offended, it just look like you are really trying to sell a product and trying to convince us that it's better than its competitor (295x2).

 

[Keysplayr]

It seems like I'm listening to a Nvidia representant.

Don't be offended, it just look like you are really trying to sell a product and trying to convince us that it's better than its competitor (295x2).

It probably will be, with the exception of price alone. So what's the prob?

 

[Wild Thing]

The purpose of Titan-Z is not to carve out a niche for itself. The purpose is to bring to market a very high performance single [dual die] graphics card that does not require watercooling hardware, does not have insanely high power consumption, has very high single and double precision performance and programmability, provides better dynamic power balancing between each GPU, and can be used in Quad-SLI as a pair. If it were not for AMD's X2 product, Titan-Z may not even exist, who knows. It is obvious that Titan and Titan Black will outsell this very niche product.

At the time it was developed there were no water cooled cards for sale so why would they claim "we only use aircooling" as one of its purposes?

 

[Keysplayr]

At the time it was developed there were no water cooled cards for sale so why would they claim "we only use aircooling" as one of its purposes?

Because now there is? Just guessing here.

 

[KaRLiToS]

It probably will be, with the exception of price alone. So what's the prob?

What's the prob? We don't even know nothing about its specs yet except the 3k$ crazy stupid price.

But we can look at this to understand that the Titan Z will probably be slower than 295x2 in overall GAMES .... GAMES... GAMES (GEFORCE = GAMING) (not professional Quadro)

http://www.game-debate.com/blog/ind...95X2 vs NVIDIA GTX TITAN BLACK SLI ( TITAN Z )

Also, the Titan - Z with 2 x DVI-DL and one DP and one HDMI while the 295x2 has 4 x DP and 1 x DVI-DL.

Do you need more points?

 

[Saylick]

The purpose of Titan-Z is not to carve out a niche for itself. The purpose is to bring to market a very high performance single [dual die] graphics card that does not require watercooling hardware, does not have insanely high power consumption, has very high single and double precision performance and programmability, provides better dynamic power balancing between each GPU, and can be used in Quad-SLI as a pair. If it were not for AMD's X2 product, Titan-Z may not even exist, who knows. It is obvious that Titan and Titan Black will outsell this very niche product.

Sorry, but saying that Titan Z is NOT trying to carve out a niche for itself and then proceeding to state a number of very specific qualities that the Titan Z provides isn't exactly helping your argument.

 

[Keysplayr]

What's the prob? We don't even know nothing about its specs yet except the 3k$ crazy stupid price.

But we can look at this to understand that the Titan Z will probably be slower than 295x2 in overall GAMES .... GAMES... GAMES (GEFORCE = GAMING) (not professional Quadro)

http://www.game-debate.com/blog/ind...95X2 vs NVIDIA GTX TITAN BLACK SLI ( TITAN Z )

Also, the Titan - Z with 2 x DVI-DL and one DP and one HDMI while the 295x2 has 4 x DP and 1 x DVI-DL.

Do you need more points?

Points for what? Showing 3 games out of a hundred? Yes, we know it's uber expensive. We know it especially well because you are peppering your speeches with that bit of info. Just know, that yes, it has been acknowledged. Just so we are clear.

 

[Keysplayr]

Sorry, but saying that Titan Z is NOT trying to carve out a niche for itself and then proceeding to state a number of very specific qualities that the Titan Z provides isn't exactly helping your argument.

Isn't that precisely what carving out a niche would be defined by? Specific qualities? As opposed to say general qualities across a broad spectrum of applications?

What are we doing here boys? It is a niche product. No question. Trying to carve it out or not, it IS one.
And I'm fairly certain that when it is released, it will be faster than it's competition. I mean, why wouldn't it be.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Points for what? Showing 3 games out of a hundred? Yes, we know it's uber expensive. We know it especially well because you are peppering your speeches with that bit of info. Just know, that yes, it has been acknowledged. Just so we are clear.

Nice edit.

Isn't that precisely what carving out a niche would be defined by? Specific qualities? As opposed to say general qualities across a broad spectrum of applications?

What are we doing here boys? It is a niche product. No question. Trying to carve it out or not, it IS one.
And I'm fairly certain that when it is released, it will be faster than it's competition. I mean, why wouldn't it be.

Because Titan Black in SLI are already slower than 295x2. Don't expect the Titan Z with two GK110 Chips, many VRMS and memory chips on the same PCB with a single fan on a 3 slot cooler to be faster than 2 x Titan Black in SLI

We'll see when it releases how it will perform...that is, if it will release.

I wonder why you are so certain? GK110 have been out for a year and a half, we know it's almost impossible to get more out of it.

 

[Techhog]

Isn't that precisely what carving out a niche would be defined by? Specific qualities? As opposed to say general qualities across a broad spectrum of applications?

What are we doing here boys? It is a niche product. No question. Trying to carve it out or not, it IS one.
And I'm fairly certain that when it is released, it will be faster than it's competition. I mean, why wouldn't it be.

You mean despite all of the evidence pointing to the contrary? Seriously, I've even seen Nvidia fanboys admit that it can't win without an improved cooler. I really want to know what it is that makes you so sure that it'll be faster.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nice edit.




Because Titan Black in SLI are already slower than 295x2. Don't expect the Titan Z with two GK110 Chips, many VRMS and memory chips on the same PCB with a single fan on a 3 slot cooler to be faster than 2 x Titan Black in SLI

We'll see when it releases how it will perform...that is, if it will release.

I wonder why you are so certain? GK110 have been out for a year and a half, we know it's almost impossible to get more out of it.

In the 3 whole games you've shown? and one even shows a lower minimum on the 295x2. It's one fps, but it's still lower.
Nothing is impossible.

 

[Keysplayr]

You mean despite all of the evidence pointing to the contrary? Seriously, I've even seen Nvidia fanboys admit that it can't win without an improved cooler. I really want to know what it is that makes you so sure that it'll be faster.

maybe that is what is happening. An improved cooler. Would it be any surprise?

and

The same thing that makes you think that it wont, probably. It's Nvidia guys. C'mon. Anything is possible with them.
Maybe they did hold the Z back because of the good performance of the 295x2, but this isn't anything new in history. It could very well be they are doing what needs to be done to better compete with the x2. My point is, what is the prob? I keep asking. I see BS answers.

 

[KaRLiToS]

In the 3 whole games you've shown? and one even shows a lower minimum on the 295x2. It's one fps, but it's still lower.
Nothing is impossible.

3 games

Here are two more. If only you could have openned the link that I put in my previous post.

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[Silverforce11]

Crysis 3 is a game NV has an advantage in too:

Computerbase.de with many more games tested showed a loss to SLI 780ti on stock clocks (boosting to 1ghz), the SLI 780ti needed max power limit and 100% fan speed to allow it to match (I say match because they only included BF4 SP DX11 in the charts and no MP Mantle data which they did get) the R295X2.

Look at the power consumption of the config at max compared to stock and realize how much of an OC it takes for SLI 780ti to match: http://www.computerbase.de/2014-04/amd-radeon-r9-295x2-benchmark-test/8/ It's a loss at 4K unless they can boost to around 1.2ghz (a 150W jump in power use!).

Is a single fan cooler going to be enough for OC SLI 780ti level of power use? Doubt it very much.

 

[Keysplayr]

3 games

Here are two more. If only you could have openned the link that I put in my previous post.

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Looks like it's going to be back and fourth to me brudda.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Looks like it's going to be back and fourth to me brudda.

With a price difference of 1,500$ lolll. You have your clear winner.

Now you say it's back and fourth? Have you forgotten about the price. :|

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Anyway, it's getting off topic

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Back on topic, sucks that it's gonna be delayed. I wanted to see a flop.

 

[wilds]

Titan Z should be a pretty good deal for someone wanting a powerful workstation-class card but also gaming on the side. The K6000 is $4,000+ which is a fully unlocked GK110 chip.

 

[Techhog]

maybe that is what is happening. An improved cooler. Would it be any surprise?

and

The same thing that makes you think that it wont, probably. It's Nvidia guys. C'mon. Anything is possible with them.
Maybe they did hold the Z back because of the good performance of the 295x2, but this isn't anything new in history. It could very well be they are doing what needs to be done to better compete with the x2. My point is, what is the prob? I keep asking. I see BS answers.

Is it possible? Of course. However, you're acting as if it's a sure thing. It's not. That's why you look silly; you're stating something as a foregone conclusion with absolutely nothing to back it up. That's completely unreasonable and driven by pure bias. On top of that, in spite of the fact that you're the one making the unsubstantiated claim, you don't feel that you carry any burden of proof. You're sitting here saying "Nvidia will win because they are Nvidia", then you call out others on BS. This is one of those situations where even if your claims prove to be true you look dumb. The only case where you can make these sorts of claims is if you have inside info, and if you do, you should just stay out of these conversations instead of really poor teasing.



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[csbin]

Update：KitGuru

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...coming-months/


Nvidia Corp. late on Thursday made the first official comment regarding availability of its dual-GPU flagship graphics card, the GeForce GTX Titan Z. The company reassured its investors and financial analysts that the product would be available in the second quarter of its fiscal year, but did not provide any exact dates.
“At the very high end, we announced our newest flagship GPU, the GeForce GTX Titan Z,” said Chris Evenden, the director of investor relations at Nvidia, during a conference call with financial analysts and investors. “This is the highest performance graphics card we have ever designed. The Titan Z will please both PC enthusiasts and CUDA developers and will be available in Q2.”
Nvidia’s second quarter lasts from May till late July, so, the company gives a rather broad window when it intends to start selling the product.
From the revenue stand-point, the GeForce GTX Titan Z is hardly important for Nvidia and its investors. Given the extreme price of the dual-chip flagship, it is unlikely that Nvidia can sell a lot of such graphics boards. In fact, even if Nvidia manages to sell several thousands of the Titan Z graphics cards (not really likely), their value will only be a small fraction of Nvidia’s total GPU sales (nearly $900 million in Q1 FY2015). However, The GeForce GTX Titan Z is important for Nvidia’s image of the leading GPU provider. The company must sustain performance king crown.


Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan Z is based on two Nvidia GK110 graphics processors in their maximum configuration with 2880 stream processors (as well as 240 texture units and 48 raster operations pipelines) that run at 705MHz in default mode and 889MHz in “boost” mode. The board is equipped with 12GB of GDDR5 memory (6GB with 384-bit bus per GPU) that operates at 7.0GHz effective frequency. The graphics solution boasts with 5760 compute units in total and delivers around 8TFLOPS of single-precision compute performance.
It is believed that at present Nvidia is polishing its drivers and is trying to boost GPU clock-rates of the Titan Z in order to make the graphics card more powerful than AMD Radeon R9 295X2. The dual-chip Titan Z graphics solution will cost starting from $3000 (£2330, €2835) without taxes.

 

[dn7309]

instead of trying to give their investor confidence... why not bribe another PC maker to ditch AMD cards and make a public announcement to boost company image :sneaky:

 

[3DVagabond]

Titan Z should be a pretty good deal for someone wanting a powerful workstation-class card but also gaming on the side. The K6000 is $4,000+ which is a fully unlocked GK110 chip.

If it uses Quadro drivers and nVidia certifies it for pro apps., then you are correct. Without that it's not a workstation card of any sort. If it uses Geforce drivers then it is a gaming card.

The 7970/280X has the same 1/4 DP capability as the W9000. Are they workstation class cards? No, not as long as they use Radeon instead of Firepro drivers and if you send a bug report to AMD saying (pick your pro app.) crashed and they tell you that Radeon drivers are not certified for that app.. This is even if we want to ignore the lack ECC RAM.

The Titan/Titan-Z are not professional cards. Just like the 7970/280X aren't. This is just spin to try and justify pricing.

 

[Silverforce11]

Did Titan itself ever qualify for Quadro drivers or it used regular GeForce drivers? Because that same excuse (Pro card that can game) was touted when Titan premier at $1,000.