Clevland was sort of stupid in this situation. However they tried to get him locked up in a long term deal for what was probably below market value. They came out and basically said, "we'll give you a huge raise over last year but we want to lock you up long term as a trade". If he did verbally agree and then backed out then yes, he is SCUM. However, Clevland played a risky game and got burned as well. Even if they had him at $700,000 this year he'd want a huge raise (to the tune of 6/$68mil like he got) to stick around. Don't believe for a minute that Clevland did it "out of the goodness of their heart", they did it as a business move designed to save money and get a good player in a contract. The dumbest part for clevland was dealing with him after a career year....the only reason I can think why they did this was b/c they thought he'd get better and command an even higher price next year.
He averaged 15+ppg and 10+rpg last season.
He is a good PF that every team can use.
Here are those who averaged over 15/10 last season(minimum 70 games)
K Garnett
T Duncan
Z Randolph
J Oneal
S Oneal
C Boozer
Big list huh ??
They weren't just trying to lock him in, they were trying to lock him in ON THE CHEAP by most accounts. I mean I heard it on the radio he got like what, a half dozen signifigantly higher offers? They wanted to get a jump on him and they fvcked up. I have no sympathy for that.
So did I ever say he did anything illegal ??
So said it yourself...its unethical......which makes him a SCUM, which is what I SAID.
So he had 1 career yr and you call a 6/40mil contract cheap ???
Hell, Juwann Howard is a career 17/10 guy and is proven and he signed the exact same contract last season.
So answer this.....even if he thought 6/40 was CHEAP, why not turn it down and play out the contract and get as big of a contract as you can next yr ???
If he turn it down, Cleveland had him for another yr and they could have explore trade options as oppose to losing him for NOTHING.
He basically told Cleveland, "Hey let me out of my contract and I'll sign an extension"...which he then renig. Which makes him a SCUM.
Can you think of any other reason why Cleveland let him out of the contract if he didn't verbally give them the OK ??
Originally posted by: CTrain
Originally posted by: m2kewl
how is that different from my boss giving me a raise if i offered to stay at my current job during my review. then i go get another job twice the pay and tell her to fvck off???
yes, i'll burn a bridge but i'll be rich, biaaatch!
Totally different......this is the NBA sir.
Everyone is bound to a contract. If you don't honor the contract, you can't play any where else.
Simple as that.
If the NBA was like the real world....all the good players would play for the same team and win championship every year.
Stop comparing the real world to professional sports
He didnt break a contract, as there was no contract.
Yes, Cleveland tried to sign him for far less than what he is worth. They tried and they got burned.
It wasn't out of the goodness of their heart to give him a raise.
They lock him into a cheap deal, it works out better for them.
Jazz offered Boozer what they thought he was worth, and Boozer does have a good future as he's shown he got game.
They acquired couple talented bigs and they resigned a bunch of players from the previous year, so they look pretty good.
I don't see what is wrong with what he did. Teams will not hesitate to trade you if they got a good offer, no matter how loyal you are, it's a business.
I don't see what is wrong with Boozer pulling the trigger first, again its business, if one side feels there is a better offer, then that side will seek to jump ship. It is basic microeconomics and only human nature for one to take the oppurtunity to better themselves financially.
I don't see what is wrong with Boozer pulling the trigger first, again its business, if one side feels there is a better offer, then that side will seek to jump ship. It is basic microeconomics and only human nature for one to take the oppurtunity to better themselves financially.
The fact that he signed a contract $28 Mil more and that a half dozen teams were trying to sign him for quite a bit more (trying to find numbers for the other offers but can' find em) then yeah I'd say that's a decent indicator that quite a few people think he's worth more than that.
You act like Cleveland didn't know the risks. OF COURSE THEY KNEW HE COULD SIGN SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY TOOK THAT RISK TO GET HIM ON THE CHEAP. You know damn well that whole "rewarding him for a good season" is a line of pure bullsh!t.
And why doesn't boozer just play it out? That's a whole year away, anything could happen. He's offered a very good contract NOW, why shouldn't he take it? Cleveland knew they probably couldn't match next season anyways, or else they would have just waited it out.
You don't think there is anything scummy about trying to lowball him?
well, other than being totally wrong about the facts, I guess you have a point...
he was NOT an unrestricted FA, but restricted. They still have 15 days to match the offer. It was NOT in reward for a good year, it was a business gamble. They are gambling they can get just as good a player for less than 11 mil/per. And most people with a brain agree. at 6 mil/per, maybe a good deal, but 11? no way. I think you should try reading up on subject before the whining and bold faced indignation. It is your facts that are wrong.
Well, that's not something I would do considering how the team gave me a chance but business is business I guess
I think you should protest by not watching the NBA anymore. You can make a difference! I think you should also write a letter to Carlos Boozer, I think he will be very swayed by your extremely intelligent arguments.
DUDE, go check your facts before you make yourself look like an idiot.
QUOTE from ESPN :
"It is a crushing blow to the Cleveland Cavaliers, who made Boozer an unrestricted free agent with the belief he would re-sign with them for their mid-level exception."
He is now an unrestricted FA.
Do you know anything about contracts in the NBA ??
If he was indeed a restricted FA, it would be great for Cleveland because then they could match Utah's offer and retain his service even if they they have to go over the salary cap.
hey, retard, he is now, and has always been, a RESTRICTED FA!!!! do some godd@mn reading! The Jazz will tender him an offer sheet on July 14, after the moratorium deadline. The Cavs then have 15 days to match. And for God's sake kill the bold print. You are wrong, period, so STFU about it. Check the Cavs site, check CNNSI, check every other godd@amn source in the world. Your lack of knowledge is astounding. So, as for making myself look like an idiot---eat me. Just what this place needs, another 14 year old too stupid to do any research.
Do I know anything about contracts? You farking moron, you are exactly the kind of person I like to argue with in person because it takes about 5 seconds to make you look like the @sshat you are. They could not go over the cap just to match. You are truly, and I mean this, stupid. Get a clue before you start ripping someone else. At least TRY to get the facts straight.
"Now Cleveland almost certainly cannot retain Boozer. While the Cavs have the right to match the Utah offer, they are only about $4 million under the current cap and would have to trade and/or renounce the rights to a number of players to clear enough room to sign Boozer." (taken directly from your own godd@mn source!!!!!!!) Notice where it says they have the right to match? Or are you COMPLETELY unable to read? that means he is RESTRICTED!!! moron. Go back to your XBOX, and leave the reading to the adults.
he is restricted. cavs can match. but they won't.
also you guys are idiots to think bold will make you sound more important.
I added a little emphasis there.
He was let out of his contract with no written agreement to fall back on. At that point, he didn't owe them anything. It was the Cavs fault for letting him out early. He probbably did intend to stay with the Cavs, but when Utah rolled up and offered another $28 mil, he changed his mind. In the real world people don't say "oh, well $40 mil is good enough, I don't need/want $68 mil". Any sane person would have did the same damn thing, because there is NO loyalty. Any team would buy out his contract and drop him like a bad habit if he stopped being useful to them, because its all about money, not loyalty.
Edit: Just read the rest of the thread. You were wrong about the facts.
For the record, I don't watch basketball so I don't give a crap. I just thought your argument was, to put it kindly, absolutely ludacris.
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