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[Ajay]

If Hamilton wins out the remaining 3 races and Verstappen finishes 2nd Hamilton would have a single point advantage in the WDC. There are also 3 fastest lap points to be had which is why Red Bull pit Perez on lap 70 to steal that point away from Hamilton. Yeah, one DNF could really doom either one in their quest for the 2021 WDC.

I'm kind of pulling for Verstappen even though I am a Lewis Hamilton fan. It is clear that Lewis is very motivated right now and he's going to be tough to beat especially as strong as Mercedes has looked recently. They just seem to have a huge speed advantage over everyone else.

Good info, thanks! I'm an RB fan, but Lewis has his confidence back and an almost shocking improvement in pace. I hardly noticed what was going on in the mid-field till after Lewis passed Max. Guess that's what a championship battle does - edge of the seat viewing pleasure!

 

[JulesMaximus]

They do have the the car's telemetry, but once the FIA stewards decide not to investigate, they don't look at it. So they made their decision based on the most easily available footage, which was the main broadcast feed (and recording). That's when they decided 'let them race'. I'm just glad they didn't crash. Max pushed it a bit too far, IMHO, given the Mercedes pace advantage. Of course, we could look at the Nico/Lewis battles and find some crazy shit too.

It was inevitable that Lewis would pass Max. He had fresher tires and a pace advantage. That plus the DRS made it inevitable.

 

[zinfamous]

So if they do get the footage and determine that Max forced out Lewis, how do they respond? You would generally give him a 5 or 10 second penalty in that race, so do you just fine him or can you now give a grid penalty for the next race?

If they do find Max at fault, kinda lame that he would get away only with a fine and no actual penalty. Especially considering what they did with Lewis all weekend. I mean, there really is no controversy with Max weaving all over the lane yesterday because anyone can see that, and still they decided "no biggie." ....though I totally get why Max did that. He didn't really have a choice but to do whatever he could to slow Lewis down as long as he could.

 

[Ajay]

So if they do get the footage and determine that Max forced out Lewis, how do they respond? You would generally give him a 5 or 10 second penalty in that race, so do you just fine him or can you now give a grid penalty for the next race?

Done and dusted last I checked. FIA won’t revisit. On to the next race.

Many were panning the FIA for taking the excitement out of racing by handling out more and more penalties against drivers. The response was the 'just let them race'. I doubt the FIA wants to be seen as the ones who changed the balance of a title fight. The wing incident is really a separate issue, despite all the conspiracy baloney.

 

[JulesMaximus]

So if they do get the footage and determine that Max forced out Lewis, how do they respond? You would generally give him a 5 or 10 second penalty in that race, so do you just fine him or can you now give a grid penalty for the next race?

If they do find Max at fault, kinda lame that he would get away only with a fine and no actual penalty. Especially considering what they did with Lewis all weekend. I mean, there really is no controversy with Max weaving all over the lane yesterday because anyone can see that, and still they decided "no biggie." ....though I totally get why Max did that. He didn't really have a choice but to do whatever he could to slow Lewis down as long as he could.

He probably should have gotten a warning for that at least.

The footage has been "found" and I really don't see anything here that leads me to believe he purposely drove off the track. I think he was surprised a bit by how late Lewis braked for the corner and tried to go even deeper but then couldn't really get the car turned in all the way and wound up going wide. That's what it looks like to me anyway.

Mercedes request 'Right of Review' over Lap 48 Hamilton-Verstappen clash in Brazil | Formula 1®

Mercedes have announced they are seeking a 'Right of Review' of the incident in the Sao Paulo Grand Prix when Red Bull's Max Verstappen defended the lead from Lewis Hamilton, leading both drivers to run wide.

www.formula1.com

 

[Ajay]

He probably should have gotten a warning for that at least.

The footage has been "found" and I really don't see anything here that leads me to believe he purposely drove off the track. I think he was surprised a bit by how late Lewis braked for the corner and tried to go even deeper but then couldn't really get the car turned in all the way and wound up going wide. That's what it looks like to me anyway.

Mercedes request 'Right of Review' over Lap 48 Hamilton-Verstappen clash in Brazil | Formula 1®

Mercedes have announced they are seeking a 'Right of Review' of the incident in the Sao Paulo Grand Prix when Red Bull's Max Verstappen defended the lead from Lewis Hamilton, leading both drivers to run wide.

www.formula1.com

Eek! Full opposite lock for Max - he overcooked it. Pretty sure he would have lost the rears if he didn't correct. I'm doubling down on 'I'm glad they didn't crash'! I'm not sure Max is guilty of anything more than taking too much speed into that turn. The pressure from Lewis clearly was wearing on him. I'm sure it pissed off Lewis and Mercedes to no end, given the weekend they were having.

 

[zinfamous]

Cool, looks like what I thought was going on when it happened.

I can't imagine the kind of constant focus these guys have to be on for 2 straight hours during a Grand Prix. Toss in an angry Lewis Hamilton on your ass and you know there is very little you can do to stop him, haha.

I also like RB pulling in Perez to steal that point from Hamilton, but I would have actually done it on lap 70 or even 69--force Mercedes to contemplate pulling in Bottas to take it back and lose the podium in the process. ....I rather doubt Mercedes would have done that because of the Constructor's, but it would have been a brilliant play to up the tension on that broken marriage.

Imagine these scenarios if they did call in Bottas: Bottas complies and loses his podium, bitter for the last 3 races. Bottas ignores them, the whole team is angry and bitter. haha.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The thing is, Bottas would not have lost third place if Mercedes pit him after Perez stopped. He would have come out ahead of Perez and then have been able to get the fastest lap. That is why RB pit Checo on lap 70. Mercedes could do nothing at that point to counter the move.

 

[Meghan54]

I believe there's only bandwidth for one live video stream per car - the other cameras may record locally - or may actually be switched off. In any case, the on-board camera angles are swapped periodically. That's why for this scene you only get the rear view. I' m guessing they'll look at the recording once they've got it.
I did find it surprising that Max didn't have to hand the position over, but I guess "let them race" covers this. If Lewis had let Max overshoot all by himself, he would have gotten a clean pass, but he committed to the outside of a car that wasn't going to make the turn...

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I believe your belief in bandwidth limitations is incorrect.

Otherwise, how do we get all those "other" angles from drivers' cars like during the start, with X driver's cockpit and front car and rear car views, then with Y driver's front, cockpit, and rear views, then Z driver's front, cockpit, and rear views....over and over and over.....

No, in reality, every camera is feeding its info to the trailer/building where the TV team is assembled....and they watch dozens upon dozens of screens that show the feed from every single camera that are streaming....like the camera on the front of the car, the cockpit camera, the camera viewing off the rear of the car, the helicopter's camera, the pit cameras, the corner cameras......you think all that info is lost because it didn't stream onto the actual live viewing screen of what's being broadcast to TV?

Then how do we get replays from multiple angles different than what was originally broadcast?

No, there is no bandwidth problem. There is no the camera wasn't active problem...they're all active all the time.

It's something much more incidious, no matter what the FIA is protesting/claiming. Think about it....we get replays from multiple angles in cars, corners, and yet.....all of the sudden, if it wasn't live broadcast, they don't have it? Bullshit!!!!

 

[_Rick_]

They have it now, after they got the camera back. For each car, there is only one onboard being transmitted live at any one time. So you get onboards from several cars and thereby several angles - but additional angles only after the race, and if deemed relevant.

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[Meghan54]

They have it now, after they got the camera back. For each car, there is only one onboard being transmitted live at any one time. So you get onboards from several cars and thereby several angles - but additional angles only after the race, and if deemed relevant.

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As for the other angles being available only after the race...bullshit.

All cameras are actively transmitting, just not aired. All cameras are being recorded, just like in the NFL, NBA, MLB....what's aired is the decision of the on-air director. But just because you didn't see it broadcast live doesn't mean it's not immediately available as a recording...it is.

That's the way it works. I do have a little experience in a previous life doing recording for TV, movies, etc.....thanks U.S. Army for the training and OJT.

 

[zinfamous]

As for the other angles being available only after the race...bullshit.

All cameras are actively transmitting, just not aired. All cameras are being recorded, just like in the NFL, NBA, MLB....what's aired is the decision of the on-air director. But just because you didn't see it broadcast live doesn't mean it's not immediately available as a recording...it is.

That's the way it works. I do have a little experience in a previous life doing recording for TV, movies, etc.....thanks U.S. Army for the training and OJT.

Well, from what I understand from FIA and the F1 news source up there (which I'm guessing is friendly to F1), there is actually a delay in what camera feeds are available to the broadcasters and to the stewards, at every given minute. Yes, it's absolutely true that the technology exists and is there for all camera feeds to be live, downloaded and recorded at every given moment, but I guess I can also believe what has been said that there is a delay as to what is available--during broadcasts, they are often showing these views a lap or two after the fact, during overtakes or other instances. I think they get the info on what is available and will jump to it when live, then switch to delayed feeds if a moment happens that is worth the replay. This stuff happens really quickly between "the truck" and the broadcast, as you know, so...it makes sense to me. Also, I think there was some issue with rights being available to each individual video feed. I'd guess that it's a matter of security between all the teams during the race? I dunno.

They do have access to everyone else's data, from what I understand, but I'm not sure how much of that each team can access?



....anyway, Hamilton qualifies 0.6 seconds faster than Verstappen in Qatar. Crazy. Bottas comes in 3rd so now Mercedes has made a Dutch sandwich at the start. Don't know what happened to Perez today...11th is terrible for RB.

 

[Ajay]

Qatar GP Qualifying results:

POS NO DRIVER CAR Q1 Q2 Q3 LAPS 1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:21.901 1:21.682 1:20.827 18 2 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING HONDA 1:21.996 1:21.984 1:21.282 18 3 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:22.016 1:21.991 1:21.478 20 4 10 Pierre Gasly ALPHATAURI HONDA 1:22.535 1:21.728 1:21.640 19 5 14 Fernando Alonso ALPINE RENAULT 1:22.422 1:21.894 1:21.670 18

And Max may get a grid penalty for not slowing under yellow.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Was out running errands all day, finally got to watch quali on-demand and wow, Hamilton just dominated in Qatar!

The race start tomorrow AM will be a nail biter if the grid stays the same, everyone knows Verstappen will gladly take out Hamilton to keep his lead in the championship! I'm hoping that Verstappen gets a grid penalty for not slowing down during the yellow flags, we'll know tomorrow before the race start.

Edit: Looks like Bottas and Sainz have to appear before the stewards for the same infraction. If Verstappen and Bottas both receive grid penalties, Gasly will line up next to Hamilton w/ Alonso & Norris making up the second row, that would be quite an interesting grid!

 

[Ajay]

The race start tomorrow AM will be a nail biter if the grid stays the same, everyone knows Verstappen will gladly take out Hamilton to keep his lead in the championship!

Really? I'm not so sure, unless this becomes something like Hamilton v Rosberg.

Anyway, Mercedes was indeed smart to get Hamilton out so quickly for his last run. Unless Hamilton has a mechanical, Max won't get better than 2nd.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Really? I'm not so sure, unless this becomes something like Hamilton v Rosberg.

Anyway, Mercedes was indeed smart to get Hamilton out so quickly for his last run. Unless Hamilton has a mechanical, Max won't get better than 2nd.

Verstappen gets away w/ too much dangerous driving w/ out being penalized IMO. When he first started in F1, everyone was like, "He's young, he'll mature," but to be honest all the leeway he was given at the start of his career shows to this day. I can't recall which race it was but even Vettel was like he's not new anymore. Just my 2¢, we'll see tomorrow, pending the stewards decisions on the 3 drivers summoned. Either way, it will be a good race to watch as Qatar is quite a narrow circuit.

 

[zinfamous]

The yellow flag was up for like 2 seconds and I don't think anyone responded to it. Either all of P2-10 get penalized for it or none of them, imo.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Qatar GP Race Results:

P1. Hamilton
P2. Verstappen
P3. Alonso
P4. Perez
P5. Ocon

Hamilton dominated the race , too bad he lost the point for fastest lap. Verstappen had a great start after taking the 5 place grid penalty, Bottas not so much. Good to see Alonso back up on the podium after 100+ races! A lot of tire failures today, those green and white curbs really do damage! All in all an enjoyable race to watch, Saudi Arabia is up next!

 

[Ajay]

Really cool to see Alonso on the podium! Even if Max hadn't gotten that grid penalty, I think Hamilton would have easily won, barring a strategy error. Fortunately, Verstappen grabbed fastest lap .

Nerve racking championship race - such an awesome season .

 

[Zim Hosein]

Sir Frank Williams – the longest-serving Team Principal Formula 1 has ever seen – has died at the age of 79.

Sir Frank marked 50 years as an F1 team boss in 2019, having run two teams in that time, the latter of which went on to win seven drivers’ titles and nine constructors’ championships.

The Briton and his family, including daughter Claire who had run the team on a day-to-day basis since 2013, left F1 earlier this year after they sold the team to investment firm Dorilton Capital.

Legendary F1 team boss Sir Frank Williams dies, aged 79

 

[Zim Hosein]

Saudi Arabian Qualifying Results:

P1. Hamilton
P2. Bottas
P3. Verstappen
P4. LeClerc
P5. Perez

Verstappen would have nailed pole if he didn't lock up going into the last corner, Red Bull's pace is quite amazing considering that Hamilton had the "spicy" engine. W/ not many places to pass, it will all be about the start tomorrow!

 

[Ajay]

This is going to be a fun race, really exciting track - though I wouldn't want to be an F1 driver with that wall!!! If Hamilton ever really needed P1, it sure was the day to get it.
I just hope Max's gearbox is okay. A grid penalty would add insult to injury! Not a good track to be in P3. Hamilton could give him enough of a tow to pass Bottas, it will be an exciting start!!

 

[zinfamous]

I feel so bad for Max. what an excruciating end to that lap. I hope the car is fine and he isn't pushed back further.

I get the feeling that only half the grid is going to finish the race tomorrow.

 

[_Rick_]

I feel so bad for Max. what an excruciating end to that lap. I hope the car is fine and he isn't pushed back further.

I get the feeling that only half the grid is going to finish the race tomorrow.

Going to be one hell of a race - and with the quali v race setup choices made across the grid, I expect to see some movement.

Max's last lap was really one of those 11 tenths moments. You nail it, you're a superstar and put the fear into your opponents - you fail, and look like a right fool.

But taking aggression out on the final turn, necause you're .3 up on your PB? I don't think that was ever on the cards. Also, looking with wjat he got away with across that lap, only vindicated him. So I totally get how you can back yourseld into that situation, where maybe the tire cooled just a bit while going dowb the back straight, and didn't have the same grip as before, wherr the last turn wasn't his favourite across the runs, and he arrived with a desire to subjugate it... Well, he got another lesson to take into the next season. On a street circuit, you cannot go 11 tenths, and expect to get away with it across an entire lap.

I hope he fights back strong in the race. He has been getting decent starts consistently, and Mercedes isn't completely unbeatable - particularly if safety card negate the advantage of their long-run pace.

And the Ferrari also looks very twitchy, potentially a chance for McLaren to claw back some points. Sainz v. Ricciardo really made them lose P3 this year, across the first half of the season. They must be annoyed, that the guy that they lost, was the guy that beat them.

Well, I can't wait for the race!

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[Ajay]

Going to be one hell of a race - and with the quali v race setup choices made across the grid, I expect to see some movement.

Max's last lap was really one of those 11 tenths moments. You nail it, you're a superstar and put the fear into your opponents - you fail, and look like a right fool.

But taking aggression out on the final turn, necause you're .3 up on your PB? I don't think that was ever on the cards. Also, looking with wjat he got away with across that lap, only vindicated him. So I totally get how you can back yourseld into that situation, where maybe the tire cooled just a bit while going dowb the back straight, and didn't have the same grip as before, wherr the last turn wasn't his favourite across the runs, and he arrived with a desire to subjugate it... Well, he got another lesson to take into the next season. On a street circuit, you cannot go 11 tenths, and expect to get away with it across an entire lap.

I hope he fights back strong in the race. He has been getting decent starts consistently, and Mercedes isn't completely unbeatable - particularly if safety card negate the advantage of their long-run pace.

And the Ferrari also looks very twitchy, potentially a chance for McLaren to claw back some points. Sainz v. Ricciardo really made them lose P3 this year, across the first half of the season. They must be annoyed, that the guy that they lost, was the guy that beat them.

Well, I can't wait for the race!

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Great point about the safety car. This is certainly a track that could send any driver into the wall as Max's '11 tenths' attempt clearly proved (nice breakdown, btw). That could toss the cats amongst the pigeons! Hopefully there are no pile ups.