***** UPDATE - 3/5 11:43pm *****
"Reality Acceptance"
Well, things appear to have fizzled out finally. I just got off a conference call with my boss and a prospective replacement, and the replacement asked if he'd have access to me when he arrives Monday, March 12th. I said I would on be on staff at that point, but depending on my [Boss]'s (who was sitting right next to me) decisions in the coming days, he would probably have access to me after hours and on weekends.
After we got off the call, my boss asked one final time if it looked like the 9th was still my last day. I said, "yep...". He looked like he had already accepted it (he may have gotten a blow job this weekend, because he hasn't been his usual pissy self this morning) but was giving it one last shot, but then we moved on.
So I have every indication at this point that the drama is over. My personal time is in tact and should be paid out, and the powers that be have finally decided that it's time to focus on the future rather than dwell on the past.
***** UPDATE - 3/2 3:46pm *****
(recap: boss has been pushing me to ask my headhunter/future boss to start a week later than originally planned so he has time to fill my position)
Boss asked today if I had asked the placement firm about staying an extra week.
Me: Sorry, they said that I would be jeopardizing my status with [bank who hired me] and they weren't comfortable with it. (<- I never asked)
<boss loses it>
Boss: WHAT?! They are feeding you a line of SH*T!!!
Me: Maybe, but seeing as how I'm jobless right now (okay, maybe a little dramatic...), I'm not in a position to challenge them (<- I am, but not willing)
Boss: Maybe we could try this. How about I call your boss over at [bank where I was hired] and explain the situation to them.
Me: I don't [fscking] think so, [Boss]. We tried, it didn't work, we're done. The offer is still on the table for me to consult for you, but this isn't going to happen.
Boss: You know what, [VP of Marketing] is really good friends with the CIO over at [another bank]. I'm sure he has contacts at [bank where I was hired]... maybe he could call over there and pull a few strings.
<do you people see how narcissistic this asshole is? he's selling me this as though making this happen is the only thing that stands between us and TREASURE!>
Me: NO! Give up! It's not going to happen!!! (<- same way I talk to my son when I tell him he can't have a cookie for the fourteenth time) I wish I could help you in this regard, but I can't. What I CAN do is offer my services on a more formal basis, but what you're proposing is absolutely out of the question.
Now I'm actually getting worried that he'll just take this upon himself, regardless of what I say...
***** ORIGINAL POST *****
So I resigned Monday. Initially, it went as expected. I told my long-time mentor and boss that I was leaving due to atmosphere/managerial/culture issues; issues that are undeniable and are openly discussed at my company on a daily basis. No surprises there.
This is the third time I've quit on him and our company's President. Second time at this company, and one time at a previous company. At the previous company, I was severely underpaid. The first time at this company, I could not tolerate the organizational structure (micromanaged to hell and back), etc.
Basically, I've put these two through a hell of a lot... but in all fairness, they've put me through quite a bit, too, and I've made them a good deal of money.
But now we were in Day 3 of "Coerce jbourne77 Into Staying". At no point was it really flattering. I was already aware of my value to the company. I wanted to quit and be done with it. My resignation letter and verbal speeches left to room for imaginative thought: I was quitting, and that was final.
VP: What can I do to change your mind.
Me: Nothing. This is my final decision.
President: Do you want to take a night to think about it?
Me: If I said 'yes', it would only be so I could put off confronting you with my final decision, so no... I want to avoid that so we can all prepare for my departure.
Give my relationship with these two gentlemen, I felt I owed it to them to be open and honest about the reasons why I'm leaving. I'm getting a 20% raise, but it's not about the money (though it sure as hell doesn't hurt). This process began because of the amount of stress employees are under and the negative energy in the air.
They're offering to change it all up. "Bourne, we'll be as creative and forward-thinking as we need to be in order to keep you here. We need people like you here so we can fix the problems you describe."
Yeah, he's got a point. They can't fix the problems if they can't retain good people. Fair enough... and I believe him when he says they'll do whatever they can to fix things.
The Problem
Even if I wanted to entertain the counteroffer (which I really didn't at first... I had made my peace with leaving, and now that peace has been torn to shreds over the last few days), I'm well aware of the fact that this is the THIRD TIME I've put them through this. They've ASSURED me that, because they can understand why I want to leave and they've known me for so long, they don't question my loyalty and integrity. Not only do I have a hard time believing that (if I were them, I would feel differently), but I already make - on average - 15% more than my peers and 20% - 25% more than those reporting to me. I'm not comfortable creating an even greater disparity between my salary and everyone else's for several obvious reasons (guilt, I'll stick out like a sore thumb on paper, etc).
I just needed to vent. I'm supposed to give my boss my "final decision" (for the 14th time in three days) later this afternoon. I don't know if I came here for advice, but I've analyzed the situation so much at this point that I'm all but mentally paralyzed.
"Reality Acceptance"
Well, things appear to have fizzled out finally. I just got off a conference call with my boss and a prospective replacement, and the replacement asked if he'd have access to me when he arrives Monday, March 12th. I said I would on be on staff at that point, but depending on my [Boss]'s (who was sitting right next to me) decisions in the coming days, he would probably have access to me after hours and on weekends.
After we got off the call, my boss asked one final time if it looked like the 9th was still my last day. I said, "yep...". He looked like he had already accepted it (he may have gotten a blow job this weekend, because he hasn't been his usual pissy self this morning) but was giving it one last shot, but then we moved on.
So I have every indication at this point that the drama is over. My personal time is in tact and should be paid out, and the powers that be have finally decided that it's time to focus on the future rather than dwell on the past.
***** UPDATE - 3/2 3:46pm *****
(recap: boss has been pushing me to ask my headhunter/future boss to start a week later than originally planned so he has time to fill my position)
Boss asked today if I had asked the placement firm about staying an extra week.
Me: Sorry, they said that I would be jeopardizing my status with [bank who hired me] and they weren't comfortable with it. (<- I never asked)
<boss loses it>
Boss: WHAT?! They are feeding you a line of SH*T!!!
Me: Maybe, but seeing as how I'm jobless right now (okay, maybe a little dramatic...), I'm not in a position to challenge them (<- I am, but not willing)
Boss: Maybe we could try this. How about I call your boss over at [bank where I was hired] and explain the situation to them.
Me: I don't [fscking] think so, [Boss]. We tried, it didn't work, we're done. The offer is still on the table for me to consult for you, but this isn't going to happen.
Boss: You know what, [VP of Marketing] is really good friends with the CIO over at [another bank]. I'm sure he has contacts at [bank where I was hired]... maybe he could call over there and pull a few strings.
<do you people see how narcissistic this asshole is? he's selling me this as though making this happen is the only thing that stands between us and TREASURE!>
Me: NO! Give up! It's not going to happen!!! (<- same way I talk to my son when I tell him he can't have a cookie for the fourteenth time) I wish I could help you in this regard, but I can't. What I CAN do is offer my services on a more formal basis, but what you're proposing is absolutely out of the question.
Now I'm actually getting worried that he'll just take this upon himself, regardless of what I say...
***** ORIGINAL POST *****
So I resigned Monday. Initially, it went as expected. I told my long-time mentor and boss that I was leaving due to atmosphere/managerial/culture issues; issues that are undeniable and are openly discussed at my company on a daily basis. No surprises there.
This is the third time I've quit on him and our company's President. Second time at this company, and one time at a previous company. At the previous company, I was severely underpaid. The first time at this company, I could not tolerate the organizational structure (micromanaged to hell and back), etc.
Basically, I've put these two through a hell of a lot... but in all fairness, they've put me through quite a bit, too, and I've made them a good deal of money.
But now we were in Day 3 of "Coerce jbourne77 Into Staying". At no point was it really flattering. I was already aware of my value to the company. I wanted to quit and be done with it. My resignation letter and verbal speeches left to room for imaginative thought: I was quitting, and that was final.
VP: What can I do to change your mind.
Me: Nothing. This is my final decision.
President: Do you want to take a night to think about it?
Me: If I said 'yes', it would only be so I could put off confronting you with my final decision, so no... I want to avoid that so we can all prepare for my departure.
Give my relationship with these two gentlemen, I felt I owed it to them to be open and honest about the reasons why I'm leaving. I'm getting a 20% raise, but it's not about the money (though it sure as hell doesn't hurt). This process began because of the amount of stress employees are under and the negative energy in the air.
They're offering to change it all up. "Bourne, we'll be as creative and forward-thinking as we need to be in order to keep you here. We need people like you here so we can fix the problems you describe."
Yeah, he's got a point. They can't fix the problems if they can't retain good people. Fair enough... and I believe him when he says they'll do whatever they can to fix things.
The Problem
Even if I wanted to entertain the counteroffer (which I really didn't at first... I had made my peace with leaving, and now that peace has been torn to shreds over the last few days), I'm well aware of the fact that this is the THIRD TIME I've put them through this. They've ASSURED me that, because they can understand why I want to leave and they've known me for so long, they don't question my loyalty and integrity. Not only do I have a hard time believing that (if I were them, I would feel differently), but I already make - on average - 15% more than my peers and 20% - 25% more than those reporting to me. I'm not comfortable creating an even greater disparity between my salary and everyone else's for several obvious reasons (guilt, I'll stick out like a sore thumb on paper, etc).
I just needed to vent. I'm supposed to give my boss my "final decision" (for the 14th time in three days) later this afternoon. I don't know if I came here for advice, but I've analyzed the situation so much at this point that I'm all but mentally paralyzed.
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